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Molon Labe
11-10-2011, 08:55 AM
fun while it lasted I guess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUA2rDVrmNg

fettpett
11-10-2011, 09:56 AM
IDK if it's the end...that was probably after his 3rd debate...

Arroyo_Doble
11-10-2011, 10:00 AM
IDK if it's the end...that was probably after his 3rd debate...

This quote ended his campaign:



"If you say that we should not educate children who come into our state for no other reason than that they've been brought their through no fault of their own, I don't think you have a heart."



You can't say that and expect to be nominated in the Republican Party.

Bailey
11-10-2011, 10:49 AM
This quote ended his campaign:



"If you say that we should not educate children who come into our state for no other reason than that they've been brought their through no fault of their own, I don't think you have a heart."



You can't say that and expect to be nominated in the Republican Party.

You make that sound bad, I think its a positive requirement.

Arroyo_Doble
11-10-2011, 10:54 AM
You make that sound bad, I think its a positive requirement.

I was not making a judgement on whether it was good or bad. It just simply is.

It was the same during the first Republican Primary debate back in 2008 and Rudy said he was pro-choice. At that moment, I knew his campaign for the Republican nomination was over.

Molon Labe
11-10-2011, 12:31 PM
I really kinda feel sorry for Rick after that. He seemed more of a human being, and not this tough talking Texan for once. He was looking to Paul for help, and he's been using his talking points for some time now, so at least he know good economic ideas when he hears them.

But it's not a good idea to say you'll cut 3 departments to the guy who's plan cut's 5. Regognizing what's good and knowing what's good philosophically are two different things.

SarasotaRepub
11-10-2011, 12:35 PM
That was painful. Say good night Dick...:rolleyes::D

linda22003
11-10-2011, 12:37 PM
Great comment on Facebook: "Perry is the Republican candidate for those who thought George W. Bush was just too cerebral". :p

Wei Wu Wei
11-10-2011, 12:53 PM
You make that sound bad, I think its a positive requirement.

The point is: that statement ended his chances of being voted for by Republican voters. The republican base views this decision as a magnet for illegal immigration and Republicans HATE being called heartless for their policy decisions.

Zafod
11-10-2011, 12:58 PM
I am a poopy head.

....

Bailey
11-10-2011, 01:28 PM
The point is: that statement ended his chances of being voted for by Republican voters. The republican base views this decision as a magnet for illegal immigration and Republicans HATE being called heartless for their policy decisions.

I agree and I think anyone who holds the beliefs that Perry does shouldn't run for any office.

Odysseus
11-10-2011, 02:46 PM
The point is: that statement ended his chances of being voted for by Republican voters. The republican base views this decision as a magnet for illegal immigration and Republicans HATE being called heartless for their policy decisions.

You miss the point. It's not that we hate being called heartless. Liberals do that so often that it's become a joke in Republican circles. It's that he has bought into the liberal idea that we owe illegal immigrants an education, health care, housing and anything else that you can pick our pockets for. The nation is in debt up to our grandchildren's eyeballs, and he's spending tax dollars on people who don't have any right to them. I'd ask what part of this you don't understand, but the answer is, all of it.

Arroyo_Doble
11-10-2011, 02:57 PM
You miss the point. It's not that we hate being called heartless. Liberals do that so often that it's become a joke in Republican circles. It's that he has bought into the liberal idea that we owe illegal immigrants an education, health care, housing and anything else that you can pick our pockets for. The nation is in debt up to our grandchildren's eyeballs, and he's spending tax dollars on people who don't have any right to them. I'd ask what part of this you don't understand, but the answer is, all of it.

Like I said when it happened, Perry grew up rural Texas so he had the unfortunate experience of interacting with the undocumented during his formative years so is cursed with realizing they are human beings.

Kay
11-10-2011, 03:00 PM
This quote ended his campaign:



"If you say that we should not educate children who come into our state for no other reason than that they've been brought their through no fault of their own, I don't think you have a heart."



You can't say that and expect to be nominated in the Republican Party.

I agree. That was the death blow, the rest has just been the dying quivers.

Molon Labe
11-10-2011, 04:35 PM
You miss the point. It's not that we hate being called heartless. Liberals do that so often that it's become a joke in Republican circles. It's that he has bought into the liberal idea that we owe illegal immigrants an education, health care, housing and anything else that you can pick our pockets for. The nation is in debt up to our grandchildren's eyeballs, and he's spending tax dollars on people who don't have any right to them. I'd ask what part of this you don't understand, but the answer is, all of it.

made me think of this:


Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain. - Frédéric Bastiat

The left really just can't fathom that individual person's have the ability to problem solve social issues.

The public servant is not > the Private citizen.

Odysseus
11-10-2011, 04:48 PM
Like I said when it happened, Perry grew up rural Texas so he had the unfortunate experience of interacting with the undocumented during his formative years so is cursed with realizing they are human beings.

Yeah, the rest of us see them as animatronics, like in the It's a Small World Ride. :rolleyes: Obviously your unfortunate experience of interacting with conservatives hasn't cursed you with the realization that we are human beings.

Is it possible that we can see illegals (not "undocumented") as human beings, but also recognize that we have limited resources and cannot pay their way through our schools, hospitals and other critical services without the availability or quality of the same to our own children? Or that, while we are sympathetic to the goals of people to better themselves, that we also believe in the rule of law and expect everyone who comes here to follow it? Maybe some of us think that those who follow the rules, pay the fees and wait their turn deserve consideration before people who simply broke the law? Or perhaps we think that the nation is not served well by a complete loss of control of our borders? Better to dismiss our arguments with your standard snarky BS than actually think about them.

Tell you what, Annoyo, you empty your wallet at the next illegal that you see (I mean willingly, as opposed to at gunpoint), and then you can lecture us on our inhumanity.

Arroyo_Doble
11-10-2011, 06:07 PM
Is it possible that we can see illegals (not "undocumented") as human beings ...


Really? What other action by a person earns them the epithet, "illegal"? Who else magically turns that adjective into a noun, Odie?

Odysseus
11-10-2011, 06:36 PM
Really? What other action by a person earns them the epithet, "illegal"? Who else magically turns that adjective into a noun, Odie?

As opposed to the adjective-turned-noun "undocumented"?

Allow me to remind you again that I married an illegal. Afterwards, we paid thousands of dollars and waited years to get her residency approved. She became a citizen last year, after eight years of marriage and two children. I find the demand by those illegals for immediate amnesty to be grotesque and insulting to my wife, who had to jump through all sorts of hoops to comply with the law in order to stay here. Now, as to your grammatical point:

"Illegal" is short for Illegal Alien, an adjective and a noun. Are you saying that if I referred to them as "illegal aliens", you'd be okay with it? We don't have a specific single word for persons who criminally enter the United States, consume services and evade other laws, so "illegal" has morphed into a noun. It doesn't make them less than human, but it doesn't mean that they have a right to be here, either.
For that matter, criminal is both a noun and an adjective, and felon is a noun derived from another noun, "felony". Perhaps the word criminal is too much of an epithet for you. Shall we call drug dealers undocumented pharmacists? Shall we call rapists undocumented lovers? Perhaps thieves should be undocumented income redistributors?

Generally, we refer to people by their actions. A person who rapes is a rapist. A person who breaks into homes is a burglar.

Illegals impose costs on us, in terms of crime, social cohesion, consumption of services and erosion of sovereignty. We have to decide whether we want to incur those costs, or not. Do you think that we, as a people, have an obligation to pay for services for persons who illegally enter the country, and that any discussion by those who prefer not to pay for those services is therefore a denial of the humanity of illegal aliens? Or is this semantic nonsense of yours just another way to avoid having a debate that you know that you cannot win?

Tipsycatlover
11-10-2011, 07:57 PM
I have been living among illegals for a couple of decades. Perry absolutely did not endear himsellf to Americans by his sympathy to illegals. They are criminals. There is no other crime that someone could commit where the children get to keep the proceeds of their parents wrongdoing. None. Not in the case of illegal immigration either. They aren't undocumented they are criminals.

Hawkgirl
11-10-2011, 08:29 PM
I think you are all reading into this too much..it was a strategic mistake on his part...he thinks by playing nicety nice, he'll get the latino vote...The latino vote is much coveted nowadays..but it's a double edged sword. Conservatives are all for immigrants, as long as they pursue the legal route.

Molon Labe
11-10-2011, 10:44 PM
I think you are all reading into this too much..it was a strategic mistake on his part...he thinks by playing nicety nice, he'll get the latino vote...The latino vote is much coveted nowadays..but it's a double edged sword. Conservatives are all for immigrants, as long as they pursue the legal route.

It's goes beyond that. He committed what's known as political suicide on national tv. One major rule about American politics is that when the media says your done...usually you are.

http://www.google.com/search?q=perry+opens+door+for+gingrich&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7SKPB_en

Odysseus
11-14-2011, 09:14 AM
Speaking of memory lapses:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-a8eAoM9by5s/TsAYoCv_3-I/AAAAAAAADpE/ux6QLS9N1xQ/s640/Fuzzy%2BMemory.jpg

CueSi
11-15-2011, 12:46 AM
Great comment on Facebook: "Perry is the Republican candidate for those who thought George W. Bush was just too cerebral". :p

wow. sometimes you are so establishment, linda. :p


Really? What other action by a person earns them the epithet, "illegal"? Who else magically turns that adjective into a noun, Odie?

Um, when you break the law in entering the country, you are an illegal immigrant. That takes up alot of words, so we shorten it to "illegal" . On the other hand, if you come here legally, you're either known "Joe" or a "resident alien", which is actually kinda a cool phrase. :p

~QC

Arroyo_Doble
11-15-2011, 09:03 AM
Um, when you break the law in entering the country, you are an illegal immigrant. That takes up alot of words, so we shorten it to "illegal" . On the other hand, if you come here legally, you're either known "Joe" or a "resident alien", which is actually kinda a cool phrase. :p

~QC

You make a good point. Instead of saying someone made an illegal lane change, I will just call them an illegal.

fettpett
11-15-2011, 11:07 AM
You make a good point. Instead of saying someone made an illegal lane change, I will just call them an illegal.

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Novaheart
11-15-2011, 12:30 PM
Like I said when it happened, Perry grew up rural Texas so he had the unfortunate experience of interacting with the undocumented during his formative years so is cursed with realizing they are human beings.

So if a white guys grew up on a farm in Mississippi, or grew up watching Brooklyn destroyed then he's less likely to be racist?

Odysseus
11-15-2011, 12:55 PM
You make a good point. Instead of saying someone made an illegal lane change, I will just call them an illegal.

A person making an illegal lane change isn't perpetually barred from the road. A person in the country illegally has a status as an illegal immigrant. But, as I said before, you are free to call them illegal immigrants if the noun/adjective thing offends you. Or, if you insist on the whole "undocumented" thing, then we can, for consistency's sake, refer to drug dealers as undocumented pharmacists, rapists as undocumented lovers and thieves as undocumented income redistributors (since community organizer appears to be taken). Also, Kidnappers should be undocumented child care workers, murderers can be undocumented executioners or undocumented exterminators, vandals can be undocumented decorators (although you guys have already started calling them artists, so that euphemistic change may be redundant), perjurers and other perpetraters of fraud are undocumented fantasists and liberals will continue to be known as idiots.

Arroyo_Doble
11-15-2011, 12:57 PM
A person making an illegal lane change isn't perpetually barred from the road.

Ah. So driving without a license makes you an illegal.

Molon Labe
11-15-2011, 01:24 PM
Ah. So driving without a license makes you an illegal.

I've forgotten mine a few times.....Usually a nice cop will run your name and everything is OK.

Odysseus
11-15-2011, 02:21 PM
Ah. So driving without a license makes you an illegal.

It makes you an illegal driver. If you get pulled over and the cop runs your record and determines that you are not licensed, you are subject to arrest and your car can be impounded. Do you consider illegal entry to the United States a less serious offense than illegally operating a motor vehicle?

Lager
11-15-2011, 11:22 PM
Like I said when it happened, Perry grew up rural Texas so he had the unfortunate experience of interacting with the undocumented during his formative years so is cursed with realizing they are human beings.

Do you think it's impossible for someone to have been exposed to the culture of immigrants, and to actually have some empathy and consideration of them and yet still believe we have an illegal immigration problem? How can you subscribe to such a simplistic argument that everyone not on your side on this issue doesn't consider these people as human beings?

And on another note, your post gave me an idea that might make someone a lot of money. Instead of a "spellcheck" program for writing, it would be a "Politically Correct" checker. That way if you accidentally typed a word that wasn't acceptable to those with an over developed sense of rightousness and tolerance, the program would replace it with a more acceptable alternative, such as "undocumented".
I'm sure the sales of such a program on DU alone could make one approach the 1% levels! :)

Arroyo_Doble
11-16-2011, 10:38 AM
Do you think it's impossible for someone to have been exposed to the culture of immigrants, and to actually have some empathy and consideration of them and yet still believe we have an illegal immigration problem? How can you subscribe to such a simplistic argument that everyone not on your side on this issue doesn't consider these people as human beings?

And on another note, your post gave me an idea that might make someone a lot of money. Instead of a "spellcheck" program for writing, it would be a "Politically Correct" checker. That way if you accidentally typed a word that wasn't acceptable to those with an over developed sense of rightousness and tolerance, the program would replace it with a more acceptable alternative, such as "undocumented".
I'm sure the sales of such a program on DU alone could make one approach the 1% levels! :)

That is hilarious.

I say you spend time on it. It's funny.

Odysseus
11-16-2011, 11:02 AM
Do you think it's impossible for someone to have been exposed to the culture of immigrants, and to actually have some empathy and consideration of them and yet still believe we have an illegal immigration problem? How can you subscribe to such a simplistic argument that everyone not on your side on this issue doesn't consider these people as human beings?
It's much easier to accuse people of being monsters than it is to refute arguments. Notice that Annoyo hasn't answered a single question that I've put to him on the subject in this thread. They are:

For that matter, criminal is both a noun and an adjective, and felon is a noun derived from another noun, "felony". Perhaps the word criminal is too much of an epithet for you.

Shall we call drug dealers undocumented pharmacists?
Shall we call rapists undocumented lovers?
Perhaps thieves should be undocumented income redistributors?

Do you think that we, as a people, have an obligation to pay for services for persons who illegally enter the country, and that any discussion by those who prefer not to pay for those services is therefore a denial of the humanity of illegal aliens?

Or is this semantic nonsense of yours just another way to avoid having a debate that you know that you cannot win?
Do you consider illegal entry to the United States a less serious offense than illegally operating a motor vehicle?


And on another note, your post gave me an idea that might make someone a lot of money. Instead of a "spellcheck" program for writing, it would be a "Politically Correct" checker. That way if you accidentally typed a word that wasn't acceptable to those with an over developed sense of rightousness and tolerance, the program would replace it with a more acceptable alternative, such as "undocumented".
I'm sure the sales of such a program on DU alone could make one approach the 1% levels! :)
That's brilliant! And the default setting for anything not covered by the database would be "That's racist!"

That is hilarious.

I say you spend time on it. It's funny.

You should assist him. He could use you as a guide to PC-speak.

Molon Labe
11-17-2011, 11:33 AM
Somebody don't got much moolah left.


http://blog.chron.com/rickperry/2011/11/perry-funds-dry-up-after-gaffes-and-dip-in-polls/



Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s campaign fundraising has gone into a tailspin as a result of poor debate performances and plunging poll numbers, jeopardizing his position as the best-funded Republican presidential candidate of 2012.

Perry’s associates and supporters say his campaign has redoubled its money-*raising efforts in the past week to ensure that his campaign will have enough money to survive the first three contests of the 2012 election calendar: Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina.

Arroyo_Doble
11-17-2011, 11:39 AM
Somebody don't got much moolah left.


http://blog.chron.com/rickperry/2011/11/perry-funds-dry-up-after-gaffes-and-dip-in-polls/

You have to admit, the debates have been vital in the race so far.

I think that is good for the nation.

Starbuck
11-17-2011, 11:59 AM
You have to admit, the debates have been vital in the race so far.

I think that is good for the nation.

You're darn right they have.
At this point it looks like Cain will be forced to drop out eventually, but he, Perry, and Bachman have forced the income tax issue to the forefront. Let's hope it stays there.

Molon Labe
11-17-2011, 12:00 PM
You have to admit, the debates have been vital in the race so far.

I think that is good for the nation.

Hmm...to some extent. I'm a firm believer that the media actually has more to do with ebbs and tides than the actual viewership of the debates.

It's the fallout and the spin from the debates by the way the media manipulates the information the next week that changes things IMO.

Janice
11-17-2011, 03:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgR6AGfjwOs

Rick Perry Ad: Audacity of Obama's "Lazy" America Comment

Perry may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he still has his 'moments'. I think a few of the other candidates might still learn somethin' from this so called 'poser'. This is how the games played.

:cool:

Molon Labe
11-17-2011, 04:06 PM
Perry may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he still has his 'moments'. I think a few of the other candidates might still learn somethin' from this so called 'poser'. This is how the games played.

:cool:

I'd like to think we would quit settling and get a sharp knife...

Arroyo_Doble
11-17-2011, 04:09 PM
Damn. Perry went after the president? Now that's original.

Janice
11-17-2011, 04:47 PM
Damn. Perry went after the president? Now that's original.

Comparatively speaking I suppose you may have a point. I have never seen so little said about an administration before during a presidential campaign. There has been some ... but very little compared to what I'm used to seeing.

NJCardFan
11-17-2011, 07:45 PM
Like I said when it happened, Perry grew up rural Texas so he had the unfortunate experience of interacting with the undocumented during his formative years so is cursed with realizing they are human beings.

You do realize I have a Mexican baby, the child of illegals, in my home right now you fuckbag. So you can take your blanket stupidity and rub it on your chest.

Kay
11-17-2011, 10:17 PM
and rub it on your chest.
wtf.....