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txradioguy
11-14-2011, 04:40 PM
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The U.S. Supreme Court will hear a challenge to President Obama's signature law on health care, it said Monday in an announcement that has nearly as much impact on partisan politics as the final decision has on the law itself.

The challenge in the case, brought by 26 states out of Florida, is based on the constitutionality of the individual mandate in the Patient Accountability and Affordable Care Act, which requires that all Americans purchase health insurance.

The nine-member court will also look at severability, meaning if the mandate falls, could the rest of the law survive since it is primarily built on the revenues collected by forcing people to buy health care.
"We look forward to presenting oral argument and defending our position that the individual mandate is unconstitutional, that the entire law fails if one part fails, that the Anti-Injunction Act does not apply, and that

Medicaid's expansion is unlawfully coercive," said Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi.

The case is one that all sides want heard. But hearing the case this session -- arguments could come in March -- means that a ruling will come in June -- in the heat of the 2012 election cycle.

Some argue that a defeat for Obama would be as beneficial as a victory since it would take away an economic and philosophical argument that Republicans have used to bash the law that will impact roughly 18 percent of the nation's annual gross domestic product. Others say nothing good could come for Obama if his premier legislative victory is declared unconstitutional.

If the mandate is wiped off the map but the law itself isn't, the president would be able to promote aspects that most Americans say they accept, including leaving 26 year olds on their parents insurance and not allowing insurers to reject clients with pre-existing conditions.


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Odysseus
11-14-2011, 06:24 PM
If the mandate goes away, there are still lots of toxic provisions in the law. Ideally, the whole thing would be scrapped and we could have an honest debate about markets and health care, not that the left wants that.

Elspeth
11-15-2011, 02:06 AM
If the mandate goes away, there are still lots of toxic provisions in the law. Ideally, the whole thing would be scrapped and we could have an honest debate about markets and health care, not that the left wants that.

YES YES YES!!!!!!!!!:party:

Odysseus
11-15-2011, 10:44 AM
YES YES YES!!!!!!!!!:party:

Let's just hope that Justice Kennedy wakes up in a conservative mood on the day of the hearings.

Arroyo_Doble
11-15-2011, 10:50 AM
Let's just hope that Justice Kennedy wakes up in a conservative mood on the day of the hearings.

You should also hope that Justice Scalia doesn't worry about being consistent.

Scalia Opinion (http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/03-1454.ZC.html)

Bailey
11-15-2011, 10:51 AM
Let's just hope that Justice Kennedy wakes up in a conservative mood on the day of the hearings.

Its funny the left is howling that Thomas should recuse himself while nary a peep about kagen and her backing of the bill, not to mention she was involved in the case in the lower courts.

Tipsycatlover
11-15-2011, 11:12 AM
If this madate is upheld, there is nothing that the government can't demand of the people. Nothing. It would be the complete end of freedom in this country.

noonwitch
11-15-2011, 11:58 AM
There are some aspects that should be preserved, if the court overturns the law on constitutional grounds.


For example:
There needs to be provisions for working people with chronic health conditions-insurance companies and employers don't want to cover people with pre-existing conditions, because of the costs, and one has to be totally disabled and unemployed to qualify for Medicaid coverage. Plus, working people don't want the stigma of Medicaid. This was something that the health care reform bill addressed, and is one of the common complaints most americans have about the US health care system.

Tipsycatlover
11-15-2011, 12:29 PM
Solving the problem of the uninsurable is one of the easier ones. Create a specific program just for them. To qualify, you have to be turned down by multiple insurance companies.

AmPat
11-15-2011, 03:01 PM
If this madate is upheld, there is nothing that the government can't demand of the people. Nothing. It would be the complete end of freedom in this country.

Yep. It'll mean that not only can the government force you to not do something, they can also force you to do something. We may as well allow our financial masters to come on in and set up the US of China transitional government.:mad:

AmPat
11-15-2011, 03:05 PM
There are some aspects that should be preserved, if the court overturns the law on constitutional grounds.


For example:
There needs to be provisions for working people with chronic health conditions-insurance companies and employers don't want to cover people with pre-existing conditions, because of the costs, and one has to be totally disabled and unemployed to qualify for Medicaid coverage. Plus, working people don't want the stigma of Medicaid. This was something that the health care reform bill addressed, and is one of the common complaints most americans have about the US health care system.

Are you suggesting that the "american health care system" IS Medicare/Medicade? :rolleyes:

We have the BEST Health Care in the world. We have a limited Health Insurance system that is heavily restricted and needs less regulation not more if they are to provide lower cost policies.

BTW, since O Blah Blah and his minions forced this crap on Americans, Health INSURANCE costs have risen.:mad:

txradioguy
11-15-2011, 04:28 PM
Let's just hope that Justice Kennedy wakes up in a conservative mood on the day of the hearings.


Given the fact that Ohio just voted to opt out of the mandate...there's a good chance he will.

noonwitch
11-15-2011, 05:22 PM
Are you suggesting that the "american health care system" IS Medicare/Medicade? :rolleyes:

We have the BEST Health Care in the world. We have a limited Health Insurance system that is heavily restricted and needs less regulation not more if they are to provide lower cost policies.

BTW, since O Blah Blah and his minions forced this crap on Americans, Health INSURANCE costs have risen.:mad:


Of course that's not what I am suggesting. What I am saying is that for people who have chronic health conditions and are unable to work, Medicaid is their health care system, unless they are wealthy and can afford to pay for insurance or their medical bills.

The people who are stuck are those who have conditions, but are still able to work. They are not eligible for Medicaid because they are working. The insurance their employers provide may not cover their needs. One bad spell with a disease like Crohn's can cost the patient upwards of $8000 for things outside of what the insurance covers. It's also considered a pre-existing condition if someone is trying to get new insurance.

$8000 or more in medical bills is staggering to a middle class person. If the condition continues, that amount can become $100,000 very quickly. How many families can afford bills like this, on top of the costs of housing, utilities, food, transportation and so on?

We do have the best health care system in the world, with the most advanced technology and the best-trained professionals. But even the best has it's holes, and this is one of them. When people are polled about medical care issues, this is one of the issues that they most want reformed. If these situations get addressed before they become problems for large numbers of people, then you don't have disatisfied voters demanding reform of the entire system.

Elspeth
11-15-2011, 11:27 PM
If this madate is upheld, there is nothing that the government can't demand of the people. Nothing. It would be the complete end of freedom in this country.

Yep.

AmPat
11-16-2011, 10:56 AM
Of course that's not what I am suggesting. What I am saying is that for people who have chronic health conditions and are unable to work, Medicaid is their health care system, unless they are wealthy and can afford to pay for insurance or their medical bills.
No, it is their health care insurance.This (intentional) error is part of the problem. Our "beloved" DIMoRATS kept drumming this lie into all of our heads. Don't fall for it.

The people who are stuck are those who have conditions, but are still able to work. They are not eligible for Medicaid because they are working. The insurance their employers provide may not cover their needs. One bad spell with a disease like Crohn's can cost the patient upwards of $8000 for things outside of what the insurance covers. It's also considered a pre-existing condition if someone is trying to get new insurance.
Yes, this is a problem. The insurance needs to be sufficient to cover their problems but NO insurance can stay in business when forced to cover every pre- existing condition. Life does not come with a guarantee. Bad things happen to good people. Perhaps people should start realizing this in their 20s and 30s and stop looking to the government for everything.

$8000 or more in medical bills is staggering to a middle class person. If the condition continues, that amount can become $100,000 very quickly. How many families can afford bills like this, on top of the costs of housing, utilities, food, transportation and so on?
There are things that cannot be fixed with money however excessive. Massive confiscatory taxes will not change the current record percentage of 100% death rate among human beings. You do realize that EVERY person Jesus healed eventually died of something?

We do have the best health care system in the world, with the most advanced technology and the best-trained professionals. But even the best has it's holes, and this is one of them. When people are polled about medical care issues, this is one of the issues that they most want reformed. If these situations get addressed before they become problems for large numbers of people, then you don't have disatisfied voters demanding reform of the entire system.
You just admitted we had the best Health care, most advanced, and best trained Health care professionals in the world. What does the cost of insurance have to do with that?
Insurance covers catastrophic illness. You must get a contract PRIOR to the disease, not after. It isn't INSURANCE if everybody could pay for it the minute they get a diagnosis. If that were allowed for auto insurance, I'd wait until I had an accident and then call USAA and tell them to; write my policy and can you transfer me to claims please?

We need to look at the INSURANCE structure and leave that Health care system alone. Allow Ins Companies to compete in the open market and across state lines. Stop frivolous lawsuits that drive up costs.
Get government regulation out of Health care decisions.

Hawkgirl
11-16-2011, 06:32 PM
BTW, since O Blah Blah and his minions forced this crap on Americans, Health INSURANCE costs have risen.:mad:


That's for sure!! My deductibles have increased, I now must pay DOUBLE to see my primary physician and nearly double to see a specialist. Emergency room visits are now $50, when they were free. Certain exams like CT and MRI's now have a deductible..when they were free. My healthcare insurance is employer provided and we are self insured since I work in a hospital. But even my system, who is a not for profit, but well off healthcare system is feeling the squeeze...and in turn, passing it on to employees and all patients.

Good going Obama!:mad:

Janice
11-16-2011, 09:40 PM
Look at all the fake, the incompetent and the plastic in that room. And the far left ideologues.

Wait, did I just repeat myself?

AmPat
11-17-2011, 10:51 AM
Look at all the fake, the incompetent and the plastic in that room. And the far left ideologues.

Wait, did I just repeat myself?

In the future, you could be more concise. Simply sum up the attendees by calling them Marxists.;)

Janice
11-17-2011, 03:11 PM
Nasty Pelosi wants this televised, so the propagandists can play to the cameras. As if the process hasn't been politicized enough lets make them deliberate in the glare of the camera lights with new hairdos, makeup, etc.

:mad:

Molon Labe
11-17-2011, 03:17 PM
Look at all the fake, the incompetent and the plastic in that room. And the far left ideologues.


Looks like Gary Coleman was there too.

Odysseus
11-17-2011, 06:14 PM
Looks like Gary Coleman was there too.

What'choo talkin' 'bout, Willis? :D