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Rockntractor
11-17-2011, 03:41 PM
November 17, 2011
Why Newt's Surge Will Continue
By C. Edmund Wright

Newt Gingrich's stumble out of the campaign gate -- causing him to lose his top advisors to Rick Perry -- might well be the best thing that has ever happened to his political career. That, along with his debate performances and a handful of other circumstances, explains why the former speaker of the House is now surging in the polls and why it is likely to continue.

And yes -- those are the words of one who has written Newt off for good on more than one occasion. And for what surely seemed like good reasons.

But those reasons seem long past now, as the former speaker has proven himself a far superior advocate to anyone else running of what it is that animates us on the conservative side. And it is this ability -- combined with our craving for someone who has this ability in light of the inarticulate Bush-McCain years -- that has convinced many to take a second, third, fourth, or fifth look at a man many of us had given up on. Yes, we know that Newt has not always acted like a conservative, and yes, he tends toward being an incessant government tinkerer. Yes, some of those marital issues are troubling, as was NY-23 and the David Gregory/Paul Ryan thing and most of all...the Pelosi global warming thing. Yes, we get all that.

Yet, even so, the daydream of Gingrich debating Obama on a stage bigger than merely the presidential contest is something more and more Tea Party folks and others are publicly fessin' up to sharing. Admit it: you were giving Newt a second look long before you dared say so out loud or post it on a message board. And this has nothing to do with how Gingrich has pummeled his Republican opposition. Because he has not done so. Not a whiff of it.

Quite the contrary, in fact. No other candidate has been nearly as openly enthusiastic about the entire GOP field as has Gingrich. Many times he has prefaced an answer with a statement to the effect that any of the folks on the stage would be far superior to the person we have now in the White House. After which he would go on and explain why this is so better than any of those others could explain it. Moreover, unlike Bachmann and Huntsman, he slammed the media when the Herman Cain harassment stories first broke and refused to join in the self-important "charges are serious and must be answered" meme no doubt written by the political hacks working for the other candidates.

All along, Gingrich, along with Cain, aimed fire at Obama specifically and liberalism in general. Newt has not so much as fired a shot across the bow of the other Republicans, let alone fired a direct hit. Interestingly, it is Cain and Gingrich who have surged. It is obvious that GOP voters are interested in only two things: who has a vision for beating Obama and who has a vision for governing the country after this is accomplished.

What voters are manifestly not interested in are the attacks that Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum, and Mitt Romney have leveled at each other. Since this started, Bachmann and Perry have bottomed out, while Santorum has stayed on the bottom, and Romney has held firm at his ~25% share of party support.

Consider: Rick Perry came storming out of the gate with something like 35% of the voters favoring him in a field that was at that time dominated by Romney and Bachmann, fresh off her Ames win and strong second debate. Meanwhile, Sarah Palin was still unannounced as to her intentions, while Cain, Gingrich, and Santorum languished in the low single digits. Pawlenty had already imploded with his unseemly attacks on Bachmann. Paul and Huntsman have their own constituencies, and are not part of the fluid Tea Party non-Mitt semi-final.

Within a few days, Palin announced that she would not run, while Bachmann destroyed her campaign with the jaw-dropping over-play of the HPV issue versus Perry. That wounded Perry, but his "heartless" answer and then ridiculous overcompensation by going after Romney's lawn care service finished him off effectively -- for now. I can only wonder how much of that strategy came from Gingrich's ex-consultants.

All the while, Gingrich and Cain were ignoring the nonsense and keeping their eyes on the ball. And the voters have responded by leaving the Perry, Bachmann, and Palin camps and going to the two Georgia natives' columns. And as recently as two weeks ago, it seemed as if Cain were the man for the times and would keep most of that support. He is the man of the free market/Tea Party with a quintessentially American life story and a gift for oratory. Meanwhile, Gingrich, even with this bump, seemed destined by his personal "baggage" and political missteps to be a supporting actor to the Cain story.

The last couple weeks have been very telling, however. Cain has struggled -- not so much from the harassment charges per se, but perhaps from the mental and physical fatigue that battle has caused. Such can cause a lot of new information to "swirl around" in one's head -- Cain's head and his new supporters' heads.

By comparison, Newt has faced all of this before. We all knew the stuff about him we would not like months ago. That's why we did not like him months ago and why he stayed in the low to mid-single digits for lo these many months. The change, however, is that in every debate he has reminded us of why we used to like him. He has reminded us why we don't like the media and reminded us why we like all of the GOP candidates in comparison to Obama.

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Arroyo_Doble
11-17-2011, 04:05 PM
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Molon Labe
11-17-2011, 04:09 PM
I liked Newt back in the day. Still do to some extent. He's just got too much baggage. At one time I think he had his principles. He's still one of the smartest people in the Republican party.
His numbers in Iowa in some of the more accurate polls haven't moved much. We'll see in about 3 weeks.

Arroyo_Doble
11-17-2011, 04:11 PM
I liked Newt back in the day. Still do to some extent. He's just got too much baggage. At one time I think he had his principles. He's still one of the smartest people in the Republican party.
His numbers in Iowa in some of the more accurate polls haven't moved much. We'll see in about 3 weeks.

Didn't you just say you wanted a sharp knife?

Tipsycatlover
11-17-2011, 04:17 PM
I don't know why but Newt seems to be getting a HUGE boost from he occupy riots. It's going to be 1968 all over again.

Arroyo_Doble
11-17-2011, 04:26 PM
I don't know why but Newt seems to be getting a HUGE boost from he occupy riots. It's going to be 1968 all over again.

I doubt they are connected.

Romney got his 25% and the rest get to vie for the other 75%. Bachmann disqualified herself by being crazy, Perry disqualified himself for not realizing the depth of contempt in the Tea Party for undocumented labor, and Cain disqualified himself in a car several years ago (or not ... it doesn't matter ... only the accusation matters). Huntsman is too rational to be considered and Ron Paul actually believes that Constitution stuff the Tea Party, and their sychophants, keep talking about so he is definitely out.

That leaves Newt*




* To be honest, I can't explain why Santorum didn't get his turn at bat as the not-Romney. Kind of unfair if you ask me.

Molon Labe
11-17-2011, 04:34 PM
Didn't you just say you wanted a sharp knife?

Smart and Sharp doesn't always translate into principled.....

I want to hear more about what he's saying now and what he was saying in the 90's. The more consistant his position is now with his genearl philosophies then, you usually can be more assured that they will do the right thing now.

Tipsycatlover
11-17-2011, 04:37 PM
I doubt they are connected.

Romney got his 25% and the rest get to vie for the other 75%. Bachmann disqualified herself by being crazy, Perry disqualified himself for not realizing the depth of contempt in the Tea Party for undocumented labor, and Cain disqualified himself in a car several years ago (or not ... it doesn't matter ... only the accusation matters). Huntsman is too rational to be considered and Ron Paul actually believes that Constitution stuff the Tea Party, and their sychophants, keep talking about so he is definitely out.

That leaves Newt*




* To be honest, I can't explain why Santorum didn't get his turn at bat as the not-Romney. Kind of unfair if you ask me.

One wouldn't think they were connected but the more violent the protsts get, the higher Newt rises in the polls. Right now, obama fully owns OWS, every louse, crab and cough.

mike128
11-17-2011, 04:39 PM
Newt's OK, I guess. He does have his problems, but he's a far better choice than Flip Romney.

Odysseus
11-17-2011, 06:11 PM
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That's about the size of it. But I don't think that she's going home with Newt.

Newt's OK, I guess. He does have his problems, but he's a far better choice than Flip Romney.

Yes, we know. You don't like Romney. Got it. Thanks for sharing. :rolleyes:

fettpett
11-17-2011, 06:28 PM
That's about the size of it. But I don't think that she's going home with Newt.


she's taking whats left of Cain's bottle :D

Molon Labe
11-17-2011, 06:48 PM
Uh ohs.

Newts getting some Freddie Mac'daddy problems it seems. Oh brother.......


$1 million in a possible fundraising scandal? :confused:

Do you all see how every front runner get's the shaft and scrutiny these days?

Tipsycatlover
11-17-2011, 07:00 PM
Newt will be hurt by a Freddie Mac connection? But obama won't?

Now that is truly bizarre.

Odysseus
11-18-2011, 12:25 AM
Newt will be hurt by a Freddie Mac connection? But obama won't?

Now that is truly bizarre.

The media will cover a Republican scandal, and they will use it to claim that Newt is a hypocrite.

AmPat
11-18-2011, 11:19 AM
http://media.caglecartoons.com/media/cartoons/73/2011/11/16/101220_600.jpg

I like that one. Especially when he ultimately clears the infestation out of the White House. I realize you are rooting for another Marxist victory, try to stay calm when we send your gods packing.;)

AmPat
11-18-2011, 11:21 AM
Uh ohs.

Newts getting some Freddie Mac'daddy problems it seems. Oh brother.......


$1 million in a possible fundraising scandal? :confused:

Do you all see how every front runner get's the shaft and scrutiny these days?

I saw this years ago. The left and its propaganda wing (MSM), is attempting to choose our candidate for us. Don't fall for it.

Even a Conservative felon is preferable over the the Marxist In Chief.

Arroyo_Doble
11-18-2011, 11:23 AM
I like that one. Especially when he ultimately clears the infestation out of the White House. I realize you are rooting for another Marxist victory, try to stay calm when we send your gods packing.;)

Yes. I eagerly await the proletariat uprising, comrade, when we finally throw off the shackles of the bourgeoisie.

AmPat
11-18-2011, 11:37 AM
Yes. I eagerly await the proletariat uprising, comrade, when we finally throw off the shackles of the bourgeoisie.

I eagerly await the day we throw off the Marxist shackles of DIMoCRAP politics.
I long for the return of our Republic where we actually cherish our founding documents and adhere to them.
I await the day where we elect leaders in Congress who write their own legislation and read it, then promote their ideas and present those ideas to the electorate in the open.
I dream of the day where we elect people to national office that know the Constitution and the LIMITS of government and the ROLE of each branch. ;)

Where will you move then "Comrade?":rolleyes:

Bailey
11-18-2011, 11:43 AM
I eagerly await the day we throw off the Marxist shackles of DIMoCRAP politics.
I long for the return of our Republic where we actually cherish our founding documents and adhere to them.
I await the day where we elect leaders in Congress who write their own legislation and read it, then promote their ideas and present those ideas to the electorate in the open.
I dream of the day where we elect people to national office that know the Constitution and the LIMITS of government and the ROLE of each branch. ;)

Where will you move then "Comrade?":rolleyes:

Why do people respond to AD? I bet a 100 dollars that if AD went to a leftist board he'd argue the conservative view point. He cant help it.

Arroyo_Doble
11-18-2011, 11:52 AM
I eagerly await the day we throw off the Marxist shackles of DIMoCRAP politics.
I long for the return of our Republic where we actually cherish our founding documents and adhere to them.
I await the day where we elect leaders in Congress who write their own legislation and read it, then promote their ideas and present those ideas to the electorate in the open.
I dream of the day where we elect people to national office that know the Constitution and the LIMITS of government and the ROLE of each branch. ;)

Where will you move then "Comrade?":rolleyes:

The west side of Ft Worth.

Bailey
11-18-2011, 11:52 AM
I eagerly await the day we throw off the Marxist shackles of DIMoCRAP politics.
I long for the return of our Republic where we actually cherish our founding documents and adhere to them.
I await the day where we elect leaders in Congress who write their own legislation and read it, then promote their ideas and present those ideas to the electorate in the open.
I dream of the day where we elect people to national office that know the Constitution and the LIMITS of government and the ROLE of each branch. ;)

Where will you move then "Comrade?":rolleyes:

Why do people respond to AD? I bet a 100 dollars that if AD went to a leftist board he'd argue the conservative view point. He cant help it.

Arroyo_Doble
11-18-2011, 12:37 PM
Why do people respond to AD? I bet a 100 dollars that if AD went to a leftist board he'd argue the conservative view point. He cant help it.

http://www.writersfasttrack.com/484px-Pyramid_of_Capitalist_System.png

Starbuck
11-18-2011, 01:07 PM
AD, quit jackin' with people.....:)

AmPat
11-18-2011, 01:10 PM
The west side of Ft Worth.
You must be a small virus among the good people of TX. How they stomach you is a mystery.

Why do people respond to AD? I bet a 100 dollars that if AD went to a leftist board he'd argue the conservative view point. He cant help it.
I confront liberal idiocy (and idiots) wherever they pop up. Whack a mole is a popular yet old game.;)

noonwitch
11-18-2011, 01:53 PM
I think Romney will still ultimately get the nomination-not because he closes the deal with the conservative voters, but because of states with open primaries, like Michigan (although he has name recognition here because his dad was governor in the 60s).

Obama has no primary challengers. Most of the dem senators running for re-election are also facing no challengers in primaries, so there is no reason for dem voters not to vote in the GOP primaries. On top of that, the unions will be pushing their members to do so.

AmPat
11-18-2011, 01:59 PM
I think Romney will still ultimately get the nomination-not because he closes the deal with the conservative voters, but because of states with open primaries, like Michigan (although he has name recognition here because his dad was governor in the 60s).

Obama has no primary challengers. Most of the dem senators running for re-election are also facing no challengers in primaries, so there is no reason for dem voters not to vote in the GOP primaries. On top of that, the unions will be pushing their members to do so.

Just more liberal malfeasance and complicity in turning our country into their Marxist utopia. :cool:

noonwitch
11-18-2011, 04:36 PM
Just more liberal malfeasance and complicity in turning our country into their Marxist utopia. :cool:

In Michigan, the GOP has dominated 2 of the three branches of government for the past 20 years. During that time, they held the third branch for 12 of those years, and currently hold it (13 years if you count the almost completed first year of Snyder's term). It's their own damn fault for not closing those loopholes in the voting laws.

AmPat
11-18-2011, 05:28 PM
In Michigan, the GOP has dominated 2 of the three branches of government for the past 20 years. During that time, they held the third branch for 12 of those years, and currently hold it (13 years if you count the almost completed first year of Snyder's term). It's their own damn fault for not closing those loopholes in the voting laws.

If true, I agree.
I am not interested in what the GOP does, I'm interested i the Conservative/Liberal battle.

Odysseus
11-18-2011, 06:13 PM
Yes. I eagerly await the proletariat uprising, comrade, when we finally throw off the shackles of the bourgeoisie.

Stop channeling Wei.

Arroyo_Doble
11-18-2011, 06:18 PM
Stop channeling Wei.

An actual Marxist, as opposed to a Keynesian.

Odysseus
11-18-2011, 06:21 PM
An actual Marxist, as opposed to a Keynesian.

You are a Keynesian? I thought that they could cure that.

Arroyo_Doble
11-18-2011, 06:23 PM
You are a Keynesian? I thought that they could cure that.

I was referring to the Commander-in-Chief. People toss the Marxist out so much, after awhile, it just gets nutty.

Odysseus
11-18-2011, 06:34 PM
I was referring to the Commander-in-Chief. People toss the Marxist out so much, after awhile, it just gets nutty.

Obama is not a Keynesian, but he's not so much a Marxist as a faculty lounge Marxist, an armchair revolutionary. His understanding of economics is based on what he absorbed by osmosis from his profs between bong hits. He wouldn't know Adam Smith from Will Smith.

Tipsycatlover
11-18-2011, 11:56 PM
Obama is not a Keynesian, but he's not so much a Marxist as a faculty lounge Marxist, an armchair revolutionary. His understanding of economics is based on what he absorbed by osmosis from his profs between bong hits. He wouldn't know Adam Smith from Will Smith.

Obama is not Keynesian, he was born here!

I couldn't resist.

I stole it from an outraged democrat.

Odysseus
11-19-2011, 12:01 AM
Obama is not Keynesian, he was born here!

I couldn't resist.

I stole it from an outraged democrat.

Is there any other kind of Democrat? :D

Arroyo_Doble
11-21-2011, 02:35 PM
AD, quit jackin' with people.....:)

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txradioguy
11-21-2011, 02:55 PM
Newts surge will continue until the media find something juicy enough to cut him off at the knees.

Just like Palin...Bachmann...Perry and Cain before him.

They are doing this one at a time to each of the candidates for the GOP.

Except one.

Then the narrative will be that "there's only one candidate for the Republicans that has stayed 'above the fray' and untainted by 'scandal'...Mitt Romney."

Which is exactly what Obama and the MSM want. The one guy left standing that they can beat. And they will dig...speculate and outright lie in some cases to make sure that this happens.

Molon Labe
11-21-2011, 02:56 PM
http://www.writersfasttrack.com/484px-Pyramid_of_Capitalist_System.png

AHH... the Capitalist pyramid. But, let's make it accurate by putting Fractional reserve banking at the top.

.........Which, BTW......is a tenet of Marxism


Funny thing about Marxists.....They can't see the culprit as towhy the system is so flawed because it's demise is inherant in the flaws of their philosophy.

Capitalism isn't what we have today, and the dictatorship of the proletariat never ends.

Tipsycatlover
11-21-2011, 03:37 PM
Newts surge will continue until the media find something juicy enough to cut him off at the knees.

Just like Palin...Bachmann...Perry and Cain before him.

They are doing this one at a time to each of the candidates for the GOP.

Except one.

Then the narrative will be that "there's only one candidate for the Republicans that has stayed 'above the fray' and untainted by 'scandal'...Mitt Romney."

Which is exactly what Obama and the MSM want. The one guy left standing that they can beat. And they will dig...speculate and outright lie in some cases to make sure that this happens.

The left is going to dump all over Rommey during the general election. And, worse, republicans will swallowit whole.