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Rockntractor
11-17-2011, 04:55 PM
Obama pastor gives Occupy protesters church sanctuary. Calls for congregations nationwide to open ‘basements and halls as safe places to sleep’

Posted on November 17, 2011 at 3:09 PM EST


By Aaron Klein

A member of President Obama’s controversial faith council has offered his parish as sanctuary to Occupy protesters, calling on churches nationwide to similarly open their doors.

“It’s time to invite the Occupy Movement to church!” wrote Jim Wallis, founder of Sojourners, a ministry professing a devotion to the pursuit of “social justice.”

Wallis penned an article in his church’s magazine, also entitled Sojourners, calling for a “church sanctuary for the Occupy movement.”

Wallis was appointed to in February 2009 to the Advisory Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships, a White House group replete with advocates for using religion to advance “social justice.”

Wallis reportedly is a spiritual adviser to Obama and has known the president for years.

Writing in his magazine, Wallis suggested that Thanksgiving is the “perfect occasion” for churches to aid the Occupy movement.

“Open our church basements and parish halls as safe places to sleep — shelter and sanctuary as cold weather descends upon many of our cities,” he wrote.

“The Occupy movement needs a sanctuary. And what better safe and welcome place could these young people find than with communities of faith?

“As we provide that safe sanctuary for a new generation of protesters who dream of a better world, let us also engage them in the spirituality of the change they seek.”

Continued Wallis: “Concentrations of wealth and power, unfairness in our political process, the loss of opportunity — especially for the next generation — and the alarming rise of poverty in the world’s richest nation are all fundamental concerns for people of faith.”

“So let’s invite the young occupiers into our churches and ministries for good conversation and a great meal,” he added.

Wallis recommended churches provide Turkey dinner to the Occupiers, remarking the protesters are likely sick of pizza.

He blasted New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg for clearing out Zuccotti Park of protesters earlier this week.

“Bloomberg is the poster child for the ‘1 percent,’’ wrote Wallis. “He is the archetypal wealthy man who bought political power, and the uprising in his city to challenge what he himself stands for has made the mayor uncomfortable about the protests since the beginning.”

Wallis is founder of the Sojourners ministry as well as a progressive magazine also titled Sojourners.

He is a socialist activist who has championed communist causes and previously labeled the U.S. “the great captor and destroyer of human life.”

The Associated Baptist Press described Wallis as a “politically progressive evangelical and longtime advocate for the poor.” The Huffington Post identified Wallis as a “Christian author and social-justice advocate.”


http://kleinonline.wnd.com/2011/11/17/123-2/

Apocalypse
11-17-2011, 05:00 PM
Let them, and when they are knee deep in the hippy doo doo, we can laugh as they kick them out.

Adam Wood
11-17-2011, 05:01 PM
Need to throw in a "God damn America!" there to make it complete.

Tipsycatlover
11-17-2011, 05:01 PM
Bill Ayers is teaching them some moves in Chicago!

obama is going to be welded to this movement!

noonwitch
11-17-2011, 05:43 PM
There are things I agree with Wallis about, but this isn't one of them.

Nubs
11-17-2011, 06:16 PM
This is the "Social Justice" of which G Beck has spoken about.

Wei Wu Wei
11-17-2011, 06:33 PM
This movement needs a dose of Church. Some of the most effective leaders of social change in this country were deeply religious people. There are many values that the left needs to reapproriate that are taught in church. There needs to be a sense of higher purpose, of dedication and self-sacrifice that comes from religion.

Most importantly, the living fire of the Holy Spirit can be lit inside the hearts of these people, burn brightly, and make them able to withstand any level of resistance that nay-sayers or police throw at them.

Any insecure idiot with a badge trying to feel like a tough guy can beat up women and the elderly at a protest. Any immature moron protester trying to "stick it to the man" like a whiny teenager can assault police and cry when the teargas comes at them.

What the people in this movement need is true strength, strength that comes from God, the strength to be mocked, belittled, even assaulted and still love the people doing it to them. If a righteous protester is pepper sprayed by the police, they should feel only love and sympathy for the police officer, who is also in the working class. If a righteous protester decides they must engage in civil disobedience, they should NEVER answer violence with more violence, but take their punishments and continue on strong. They should get away from the drug-fueled carnival and focus more on the dedicated social change.

If the people can keep up with their level of persistence, and emphasize the values of self-sacrifice, non-violence, and hard work, they will win this struggle. Going to church will help them to rid the movements of it's bad qualities and strengthen it's good qualities.

The living flame of the Holy Spirit inside of dedicated people is stronger than any use of force. all I see or hear is negativity and hate, but if these protesters are able to accept the hatred coming from their enemies and love them back, they cannot lose.

The churches are doing the right thing by opening their doors to the protesters, and the protesters should do the right thing by opening their hearts to the churches.

Rockntractor
11-17-2011, 06:35 PM
This movement needs a dose of Church.

Weib, you made bail! Is your butt sore?:eek:

Wei Wu Wei
11-17-2011, 06:40 PM
:confused:

Rockntractor
11-17-2011, 06:43 PM
:confused:

You have been scarce lately, we thought they booted you out of your tent and hauled you to jail.

SarasotaRepub
11-17-2011, 06:45 PM
I'm watching that live feed of theirs and it's just a kid with an electronic vid cam running next to a bunch of nuts chanting OWS slogans, blowing air horns and...the drums!!!!:eek::D

It's too bad they are on the sidewalks, those widdle police scooters would make great gas attack ships...:vader::D

Wei Wu Wei
11-17-2011, 06:58 PM
You have been scarce lately, we thought they booted you out of your tent and hauled you to jail.

I've been more busy than usual with work stuff lately, but it's good to know you missed me. :cool:

Rockntractor
11-17-2011, 07:02 PM
I've been more busy than usual with work stuff lately, but it's good to know you missed me. :cool:

It upsets the intelligence curve when you are gone, other people started sounding stupid that I hadn't really noticed before.

JB
11-17-2011, 07:06 PM
...If the people can keep up with their level of persistence, and emphasize the values of self-sacrifice, non-violence, and hard work, they will win this struggle...I didn't know you identified with the Tea Party movement.

Wei Wu Wei
11-17-2011, 07:11 PM
I didn't know you identified with the Tea Party movement.

I find it ironic that most Tea Party supporters are criticizing the OWS protesters for acts of illegal civil disobedience (like refusing to leave parks, blocking intersections, or sleeping at the protests), while the Tea Party itself is named after a movement that was highly illegal and engaged in severe civil disobedience (including theft and destruction of private property, illegally boarding ships, ect.)

JB
11-17-2011, 07:15 PM
I always thought it just meant Taxed Enough Already.

Tipsycatlover
11-17-2011, 07:20 PM
I find it ironic that most Tea Party supporters are criticizing the OWS protesters for acts of illegal civil disobedience (like refusing to leave parks, blocking intersections, or sleeping at the protests), while the Tea Party itself is named after a movement that was highly illegal and engaged in severe civil disobedience (including theft and destruction of private property, illegally boarding ships, ect.)

The original tea partiers PAID for every leaf of tea. See they were protesting something specific. Taxation, which is what the present day tea party protests against too.

Neither the tea party of 1975 or today protests to shit in the street.

Apache
11-17-2011, 07:25 PM
I always thought it just meant Taxed Enough Already.

It does, but that would stand in the way of WEE's point... if he had one:rolleyes:

JB
11-17-2011, 07:29 PM
It does, but that would stand in the way of WEE's point... if he had one:rolleyes:I just thought it extremely humorous that he would identify the Occupiers as self-sacrificing, non-violent and HARD-WORKING (lmao).

NJCardFan
11-17-2011, 08:18 PM
So Wallis wants to open up churches to people who have nothing but utter disdain for religion?

Wei Wu Wei
11-17-2011, 08:39 PM
So Wallis wants to open up churches to people who have nothing but utter disdain for religion?

People who love God will do the right thing to those who treat them wrong.

Hopefully this will open the hearts of the protesters to God, which I think will dramatically help the movement to mature, and also help them personally.

Apache
11-17-2011, 09:04 PM
People who love God will do the right thing to those who treat them wrong.

Hopefully this will open the hearts of the protesters to God, which I think will dramatically help the movement to mature, and also help them personally.

Preaching of "social justice" is not from God... TNO has been rocked backed on his heels for "quoting" the Bible. No preacher, pastor, father, or rabbi who knows the scriptures ever "preaches" "social justice"....

noonwitch
11-18-2011, 09:42 AM
Preaching of "social justice" is not from God... TNO has been rocked backed on his heels for "quoting" the Bible. No preacher, pastor, father, or rabbi who knows the scriptures ever "preaches" "social justice"....



It depends on how you define "social justice". I don't agree with the protests, if they were about social justice, they wouldn't be still going on. They wouldn't be making life difficult for the people who work in the areas around their protests and there are just so many other reasons why the OWS thing is wrong.


But I do believe that it is a Christian's responsibility to support justice, to treat people fairly, to give support to those who suffer injustices, and to bring injustices to the attention of the public so that they can be addressed.

Bailey
11-18-2011, 09:53 AM
It depends on how you define "social justice". I don't agree with the protests, if they were about social justice, they wouldn't be still going on. They wouldn't be making life difficult for the people who work in the areas around their protests and there are just so many other reasons why the OWS thing is wrong.


But I do believe that it is a Christian's responsibility to support justice, to treat people fairly, to give support to those who suffer injustices, and to bring injustices to the attention of the public so that they can be addressed.

Yes partly i agree with you but they define social justice as taking as much money from the rich and giving to lazy bums. The bible says you should give of your own free will not about the state taking and then giving.

AmPat
11-18-2011, 01:16 PM
This movement needs a dose of Church.

The living flame of the Holy Spirit inside of dedicated people is stronger than any use of force. all I see or hear is negativity and hate, but if these protesters are able to accept the hatred coming from their enemies and love them back, they cannot lose.

The churches are doing the right thing by opening their doors to the protesters, and the protesters should do the right thing by opening their hearts to the churches.

These people are anti-Christian for the most part. It is nearly impossible for most of them to operate in their liberal world view and reconcile that with a Loving God.

NJCardFan
11-18-2011, 01:42 PM
People who love God will do the right thing to those who treat them wrong.

Hopefully this will open the hearts of the protesters to God, which I think will dramatically help the movement to mature, and also help them personally.

Dude, stop it already. By already sore stomach from yesterday can't take anymore.

Odysseus
11-18-2011, 02:02 PM
This movement needs a dose of Church. Some of the most effective leaders of social change in this country were deeply religious people. There are many values that the left needs to reapproriate that are taught in church. There needs to be a sense of higher purpose, of dedication and self-sacrifice that comes from religion.
Unfortunately, the left's response to religion (the "opiate of the masses") makes it unlikely that they will find many useful values in real churches. Don't get me wrong, they can find lots of liberation theologians and the like who iwll gladly pay lip service to religious principles, but the basic premise of Judeo-Christian philosophy is that the important things in life are not of this life, and that obsession with temporal issues blinds one to the truly spiritual.


Any insecure idiot with a badge trying to feel like a tough guy can beat up women and the elderly at a protest. Any immature moron protester trying to "stick it to the man" like a whiny teenager can assault police and cry when the teargas comes at them.

So, if the immature idiot assaults a cop, then the cop who responds with force is an "insecure idiot with a badge trying to feel like a tough guy"? Sounds like a bit of your trademark moral equivalence there.


What the people in this movement need is true strength, strength that comes from God, the strength to be mocked, belittled, even assaulted and still love the people doing it to them. If a righteous protester is pepper sprayed by the police, they should feel only love and sympathy for the police officer, who is also in the working class. If a righteous protester decides they must engage in civil disobedience, they should NEVER answer violence with more violence, but take their punishments and continue on strong. They should get away from the drug-fueled carnival and focus more on the dedicated social change.

If the people can keep up with their level of persistence, and emphasize the values of self-sacrifice, non-violence, and hard work, they will win this struggle. Going to church will help them to rid the movements of it's bad qualities and strengthen it's good qualities.

The living flame of the Holy Spirit inside of dedicated people is stronger than any use of force. all I see or hear is negativity and hate, but if these protesters are able to accept the hatred coming from their enemies and love them back, they cannot lose.

The churches are doing the right thing by opening their doors to the protesters, and the protesters should do the right thing by opening their hearts to the churches..
If we didn't know that you were an atheist, you might have convinced some of us that you meant this. Instead, we just get to shake our heads at your incredible cynicism and willingness to pander in order to advance the revolution.



I've been more busy than usual with work stuff lately, but it's good to know you missed me. :cool:
We didn't really miss you, so much as notice that you hadn't been around for a while. It's like not noticing that the septic tank until the wind shifts.

I find it ironic that most Tea Party supporters are criticizing the OWS protesters for acts of illegal civil disobedience (like refusing to leave parks, blocking intersections, or sleeping at the protests), while the Tea Party itself is named after a movement that was highly illegal and engaged in severe civil disobedience (including theft and destruction of private property, illegally boarding ships, ect.)
The original Tea Partiers' superficial resemblance to the OWS movement isn't borne out by the facts. The OTPs didn't steal the tea, they destroyed it, and they didn't damage the ships or hold them longer than it took to accomplish the act. The reason for this is that in every colony except Massachusetts, tea consignees resigned or returned the tea to England. However, the Royal Governor of Massachussetts, Hutchinson, was the father of two tea importers/consignees, who stood to lose quite a bit if the tea were not off-loaded and sold. The tea ship Dartmouth arrived in the Boston Harbor in late November 1773. British law required the Dartmouth to unload and pay the duties within twenty days or customs officials could confiscate the cargo. The colonists urged the captain of the Dartmouth to go back without paying, but Governor Hutchinson refused to grant permission for the Dartmouth to leave without paying the duty. Two more tea ships arrived in Boston Harbor during the standoff. When the deadline passed, and the ship was still in the harbor, the colonists acted and destroyed the cargo, as you know, but they didn't abrogate all responsibility for their actions. Benjamin Franklin, speaking for the colonists, stated that the British East India company must be compensated for the loss of destroyed 90,000 lbs of tea (which, at two shillings per pound, comes to £9,000, or £888 thousand today). American merchants who attempted to reimburse the crown were rebuffed by Lord North. So, rather than an indiscrimate occupation of every piece of corporate property within their reach, the Boston Tea Party was a targeted, specific action which the colonists were prepared to make reparations for, having accomplished their original goals. When the Occupiers demonstrate that they are willing to clean up their messes, compensate the owners of the property that they have destroyed and otherwise take responsibility for their actions, then you can compare the two. As for other superficial similarities, these can be explained by the fact that indoor plumbing had not been introduced in the colonies at that time.


People who love God will do the right thing to those who treat them wrong.

Hopefully this will open the hearts of the protesters to God, which I think will dramatically help the movement to mature, and also help them personally.

I stand in awe of your cynical manipulation of religious thought.

Arroyo_Doble
11-18-2011, 02:12 PM
.... the basic premise of Judeo-Christian philosophy is that the important things in life are not of this life, and that obsession with temporal issues blinds one to the truly spiritual.


Render therefore unto Washington ....


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Odysseus
11-18-2011, 06:20 PM
Render therefore unto Washington ....


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Oh, we do. And then some. I'm in the 53% that pays taxes.

Arroyo_Doble
11-18-2011, 06:21 PM
Oh, we do. And then some. I'm in the 53% that pays taxes.

My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we’d make meat helmets. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds- pretty standard really. At the age of twelve I received my first scribe. At the age of fourteen a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum… it’s breathtaking- I highly suggest you try it.

I am the 53%

Odysseus
11-18-2011, 06:30 PM
My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we’d make meat helmets. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds- pretty standard really. At the age of twelve I received my first scribe. At the age of fourteen a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum… it’s breathtaking- I highly suggest you try it.

I am the 53%

And I'm sure that you didn't spend six years in evil medical school to be called 'Mister', thank you very much! :rolleyes:

Your story has become tiresome. You may not touch my monkey. Sie dürfen sich nicht berühren meine Affen!