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Rockntractor
11-23-2011, 11:29 PM
The purge of Gaddafi supporters is made more dangerous by infighting between the militias
Patrick Cockburn
The detention of 7,000 people in prisons and camps by the anti-Gaddafi forces is not surprising. The conflict in Libya was always much more of a civil war between Libyans than foreign governments pretended or the foreign media reported.

The winning anti-Gaddafi militia are not proving merciful. Often they have had relatives killed in the fighting or imprisoned by the old regime who they want to avenge. Sometimes they come from tribes and towns traditionally hostile to neighbouring tribes and towns. Gaddafi supporters are being hunted down. According to one person in Gaddafi's home town of Sirte, they are facing a "continuing reign of terror".

"There is a deep and spreading frenzy, particularly among some of the youth militia and the Islamists, to hunt down anyone associated with the former regime," the source said.

The National Transitional Council, whose control is largely theoretical, is not in a position to stop this purge because many of its members are themselves frightened of being accused of links with the old regime.

Some groups are particularly vulnerable. The then-rebels were convinced earlier this year that many of those they were fighting were mercenaries recruited in Central or West Africa. But when these alleged "mercenaries" were arrested in Tripoli, many turned out to be black migrant labourers without identity papers.

According to Amnesty International, some of those who were put on television by the rebels as mercenaries were later quietly freed because they were migrant workers. Others faced mob justice before they were able to prove their identities.

The international media was overwhelmingly hostile to Gaddafi's regime and tended to highlight atrocities committed by it and disregard or underplay human rights violations carried out by his opponents. An example of this occurred when eight or nine bodies of Libyan soldiers were found who appeared to have been executed. The rebels claimed they had been shot by Gaddafi's men because they tried to change sides. But Amnesty located a film of the soldiers being captured alive by the rebels and it was presumably the rebels who killed them.

The purge of Gaddafi supporters is made more dangerous by the infighting between the militias, and between them and the politicians. Association with the old regime can be used to discredit an opponent. There may also be self-interest since death squads are reported to be taking their property.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/patrick-cockburn-this-was-always-a-civil-war-and-the-victors-are-not-merciful-6267104.html
This is what democracy looks like.

DumbAss Tanker
11-24-2011, 08:12 PM
This is what democracy looks like.


I'm assuming that was sarcasm, 'cause what's going on in Mediterranean Africa is anything but democracy, it's a hand-off from ordinary internationally-harmless run-of-the-mill Arabic despots to bloody-minded radical Islamists, which two successive administrations regarded as 'Fighters for democracy' since the only functioning brain cell in the entire foreign policy team in EITHER administration belonged to Dr. Rice, and she took it with her when she left.

fettpett
11-25-2011, 02:37 PM
The aftermath of the American Civil War is anything but the norm....this shit is. They don't see themselves as brothers, they see themselves as adversaries unless related, and even then they don't necessarily see it then. factionalism/tribalism is a way of life for most of the world and grudges get held for a LONG time

Rockntractor
11-25-2011, 02:51 PM
I'm assuming that was sarcasm, 'cause what's going on in Mediterranean Africa is anything but democracy, it's a hand-off from ordinary internationally-harmless run-of-the-mill Arabic despots to bloody-minded radical Islamists, which two successive administrations regarded as 'Fighters for democracy' since the only functioning brain cell in the entire foreign policy team in EITHER administration belonged to Dr. Rice, and she took it with her when she left.

Yep, sarcasm, that is a chant the libs are using.