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Apocalypse
12-01-2011, 04:49 PM
ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/obama-tells-jewish-donors-no-ally-more-important-than-israel/):

MANHATTAN – During an exclusive campaign fundraiser on New York’s Upper East Side tonight, President Obama offered reassurances to some of his most loyal Jewish supporters about the administration’s commitment to Israel. <-- Yep like demand Israel go back to undefendable lines.

“Obviously, no ally is more important than the state of Israel,” Obama said. <-- And he showed it by insulting and belittling Israel’s elected leader at every opportunity.




“This administration – I try not to pat myself too much on the back – but this administration has done more in terms of the security of the state of Israel than any previous administration,” he added. <-- All he does is pat him self on the back.


Obama has taken heat from some members of the Jewish community for what have been, at times, frustrated relations with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and for his public calls for statehood negotiations with Palestinians to start with the pre-1967 lines.


American Jewish Congress chairman Jack Rosen, who hosted Obama fundraiser at his private home, acknowledged the concerns generally in his introduction of the president. But Rosen praised the president’s record.


“America’s never been as supportive to the state of Israel” than since Obama took office, he said. <-- That depends upon what your definition of "Supportive" is.


Thirty Obama supporters each paid at least $10,000 per person to attend, said a Democratic official. <-- Suckers. Wait a week, could have attended for $4.00 like other events.

DumbAss Tanker
12-01-2011, 04:55 PM
“Obviously, no ally is more important than the state of Israel,” Obama said.

Well, looks like the Brits are saved from being first in line for the ass-raping this week, at least!

:popcorn:

Arroyo_Doble
12-01-2011, 05:04 PM
“Obviously, no ally is more important than the state of Israel,” Obama said. [

How embarrassing.

Christ!

Bailey
12-01-2011, 05:09 PM
If what he has done is considered supportive, I'd hate to see if he was hostile to them. :rolleyes:

AmPat
12-01-2011, 05:19 PM
If what he has done is considered supportive, I'd hate to see if he was hostile to them. :rolleyes:

Obama is to Israel as Obama care is to health care.:cool:

Tipsycatlover
12-01-2011, 05:47 PM
He can say that as if he really believes it! Oh he's insane all right, there's no other way to explain it.

Wei Wu Wei
12-01-2011, 10:22 PM
What has Obama done, policy-wise, that was not supportive of Israel?

Rhetoric aside, this administration has backed all of Israel's action through it's policies it's continued financial support and it's military support. The US ties to Israel are as strong as ever.

In fact, the Bush administration was calling for a two-state solution to the Palestinian conflict as well, but when this matter actually came to vote in the UN, it was the Obama administration that swore to defy the entire world and veto it.

This myth about Obama being anti-Israel is total twilight zone lunacy. The only way anyone could believe this is if they get 100% of their "news" from radio entertainers, forwarded emails, and far-right blogs.

Wei Wu Wei
12-01-2011, 10:22 PM
Obama is to Israel as Obama care is to health care.:cool:

lol you mean pumping tons of money into the current arrangement?

yeah, you're right.

Starbuck
12-01-2011, 10:48 PM
.......... The only way anyone could believe this is if they get 100% of their "news" from radio entertainers, forwarded emails, and far-right blogs.

And you get your info from......?

Wei Wu Wei
12-01-2011, 10:59 PM
Non-commercial journalism, community media, international news networks, newspapers, several different conflicting perspectives, and even some garbage cable news for fun.

You're not going to find "unbiased" news, so it helps to get news from many different perspectives, also it's extremely important to focus on quality journalism, not sensationalism and ratings-fodder.

Regardless, my question still stands on Obama's policies towards Israel.

Apocalypse
12-01-2011, 11:18 PM
What has Obama done, policy-wise, that was not supportive of Israel?


This one promises if elected, his first visit will be to Israel (Which was not!) (wonderful, more traffic); another offers other promises. Obama, like every Democrat before him, promised to move the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

I am not an expert on US diplomacy; though I'm pretty good at recognizing lies and hypocrisy. I don't know how many US Embassies are located in places other than the capital of a country, but year after year, politician after politician promises they will finally move the embassy to Jerusalem...and then they sign an extension leaving it in Tel Aviv.


What is more interesting and telling, however, is the reaction of the American government and more the actions of the US Consulate in Jerusalem.


American officials arrived to review what the teenagers had built. They took pictures, lied about who they were, though they were stupid enough to arrive in vehicles registered to the US Consulate and did nothing to hide their true identities. A short time later, Israeli security forces arrived to destroy the temporary structures they had built. This is not unexpected and is yet another step in the “game” played by those who wish to make a statement and those who wish to stop them. More sinister, however, is the American visit to the area.


Why did they come there? Why were they taking pictures? Why did they lie about who they were? What business is this lone mountain to these American officals? For the American government, there are questions to be answered – what legal right did they have to visit that location? One wonders how the American government would feel if Israelis started visiting controversial sites in the US in the middle of a sensitive situation? Doesn’t this amount to spying on an ally and trying to influence its internal affairs? Whose land is it, anyway?


For the Israeli government, they should be calling in the US Ambassador to Israel and demanding an explanation. That it fails to do this, suggests the visit was in some way approved, or at very least influential in getting the police to come and disrupt what had been done. One cannot call the police visit so shortly after the American visit a coincidence. Surely , the Israeli government has not outsourced the job of inspecting our land to the Americans, has it? Does the American Consulate now have the right to dictate how the Israeli government treats its citizens and when it chooses to handle internal matters?


For all Israelis, this is a wake-up call. Big Brother Obama is watching and wants us to know it. It is the Obama government’s way of putting pressure on all of us, trying to make us believe that which we know is not true. The future of this land does not rest in Washington’s hands, nor those of the American Consulate. No matter how much they demand it, peace cannot be granted by the threats and blackmail of a line drawn in the sand.


What were the Americans doing there? Why did they come and feel comfortable enough to make their presence obvious? Why did they take pictures? What have they done with them? Why did they feel it necessary to claim they were the police? Those are questions the Netanyahu government must answer. This is an outrage that every Israeli should feel. We are a sovereign nation, not a puppet of Washington. Those Americans had no business trespassing on land allocated to Maale Adumim in an attempt to influence how and when our government would react.

I have access to several Israeli web sites.



Rhetoric aside, this administration has backed all of Israel's action through it's policies it's continued financial support and it's military support. The US ties to Israel are as strong as ever.


Israel's US ambassador says relations suffering a 'tectonic rift' (http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/293928)


At that time, Oren said US-Israeli relations were facing their worst crisis in 35 years. ... More about Israel, Strained relations, Obama: More news from
www.digitaljournal.com/article/293928


Netanyahu to Clinton: No apology to Turkey - Israel News ... (http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7ke8PdhO83cA229XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2MWxpN29 iBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDOARjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA01TWUMwMDJfM Tc2/SIG=12d4genql/EXP=1322823228/**http%3a//www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4109923,00.html)


Strained Relations: ... both sides and the United States know what we ... "Israel is facing a choice: deeper relations with Turkey or open a gap with the Turkish state ...



No support for Israel in the White House? (http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7lNJPthOIgsATw9XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2cGVhZXQ zBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDNQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA01TWUMwMDJfM Tc2/SIG=12ds901el/EXP=1322823369/**http%3a//www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4151100,00.html)


No support for Israel in ... Rahm Emanuel was replaced by Bill Daley who doesn't deal with the Israel ... Shapiro was Obama's top adviser on Israel and the Middle ...




In fact, the Bush administration was calling for a two-state solution to the Palestinian conflict as well, but when this matter actually came to vote in the UN, it was the Obama administration that swore to defy the entire world and veto it. Big Difference between what Bush called for and Obama. Obama called for the '67s line, while Bush called it unfeasible.


“In light of new realities on the ground, including already existing major Israeli populations centers, it is unrealistic to expect that the outcome of final status negotiations will be a full and complete return to the armistice lines of 1949,”

FYI Wei, the 1949 armistice lines, are the same lines in 1967.


This myth about Obama being anti-Israel is total twilight zone lunacy. The only way anyone could believe this is if they get 100% of their "news" from radio entertainers, forwarded emails, and far-right blogs.But listening to Randy Rhodes, watching MSNBC, and hanging out on DU and Kos is perfect ways to get your facts about obama and Israel.

Apocalypse
12-01-2011, 11:24 PM
Non-commercial journalism (Far left Blogs), community media (DU, Kos), international news networks (Al Jazeera), newspapers (NYTs and Washington Post), several different conflicting perspectives (CNN, MSNBC), and even some garbage cable news for fun. (Current TV)

You're not going to find "unbiased" news, so it helps to get news from many different perspectives, also it's extremely important to focus on quality journalism, not sensationalism and ratings-fodder.

Regardless, my question still stands on Obama's policies towards Israel.....

AmPat
12-02-2011, 12:43 AM
lol you mean pumping tons of money into the current arrangement?

yeah, you're right.
Perhaps. What I really meant was, He supports Israel as much as O'Care improves health care. IOWs, none.