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Apocalypse
12-08-2011, 12:52 PM
Obama warns Congress not to attach payroll tax cut approval to Keystone Pipeline

By David Nakamura
December 7, 2011


President Obama warned Congress on Wednesday not to tie approval of the extension of a payroll tax cut to other sensitive measures such as the Keystone Pipeline project, which his administration delayed last month.


Speaking at a brief news conference after a meeting with Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, Obama said he would block any attempt by Congress to attach the payroll tax cut provision to another legislative measure.



“Any effort to try to tie Keystone to the payroll tax cut, I will reject,” Obama said. “Everybody should be on notice. The reason is because the payroll tax cut is something House Republicans and Senate Republicans should want to do regardless of any other issues.The tax cut “shouldn’t be held hostage to any other issues they may be concerned about,” Obama continued…


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/44/post/obama-warns-congress-not-to-attach-payroll-tax-cut-approval-to-keystone-pipeline/2011/12/07/gIQAxwRAdO_blog.html?wprss=44


Killing jobs one veto at a time.

Wei Wu Wei
12-08-2011, 07:03 PM
I'm curious why people here oppose a payroll rax cut?

Zathras
12-08-2011, 07:06 PM
I'm curious why people here oppose a payroll rax cut?

I'm curious why you're for killing jobs?

DumbAss Tanker
12-08-2011, 07:15 PM
I'm curious why people here oppose a payroll rax cut?


Because it's as phony as the accounting that was used to allow the vote on the Hell Care Act. That money has to go back into the Social Security system at some point, the longer this BS 'Tax Holiday' continues, the bigger the snowpack overhanging our peaceful little chalets gets. Why are Libs and Dems too stupid, venal, and short-sighted to understand that?

And LET Obozo veto it. Then Congress can point at him and say "We tried to give everyone the money AND create 20,000 jobs, but President Dickwad over there hates you."

Apocalypse
12-08-2011, 07:28 PM
I'm curious why people here oppose a payroll rax cut?
Wei, this money comes from the SS tax. Money that goes into the coffers to keep SS afloat.

At this point in time, SS will be bankrupt by 2018. Keeping this tax cut, speeds it up so it will go belly up sooner as less money goes in, but the same is taken out.

Don't you care about the widows and children wei that depend on that money?

Wei Wu Wei
12-08-2011, 07:32 PM
I thought you guys hated taxes being used to fund socialism?

Starbuck
12-08-2011, 07:40 PM
I'm curious why people here oppose a payroll rax cut?
Some of us don't care one way or the other. One reason I don't care is that I am no longer working, and the other reason is that it just won't make a bit of difference one way or the other.

We're talking 2%. Anyone living that close to the edge is bound to fall off sooner or later.

But I would like to force Obama to make a decision about Keystone. He's going to piss off the "Greenies", who are opposed to the pipeline, or The Unions, who want the jobs associated with it and I want him to piss off one group or the other.

One way to try to make a monkey out of Obama is to attach a payroll tax cut to Keystone; then if he doesn't sign (he said he wouldn't) we Republicans can point out that he is against the creation of jobs and against giving people more money.
And if he does sign he looks like a weakling and the enviro-Nazis will have their way with him.

Point!....Republicans.:)

Apocalypse
12-08-2011, 07:40 PM
I thought you guys hated taxes being used to fund socialism?
Wei for me personally, I couldn't care less. I will never receive SS when I need it as it will be bankrupt and long gone before I retire. And this was known back in the 70's when I was in school and it was being discussed.

Its been raided by our elects for decades to pay for their slush funds, and pork projects for years. Both sides, and the "Lock Box" is full of nothing but IOUs at this point.

Had personal accounts been pushed for, I might be upset, but thanks to the Dems, I will get nothing when I retire. So having to pay less in now for something I will never see, I say good.

But for Dems like your self who are fighting the passage of it due to the Keystone deal. Your only hurting the elderly now as it is only hastening its demise.

DumbAss Tanker
12-08-2011, 11:57 PM
You presume far too much when you say that 'Fan of Socialism' idiocy, but it's typical of you to overplay your hand like that in argument here, throwing away any semblance of rational analysis for the baseless cheap shot when you get painted into a corner.

No, I don't really care about SS one way or the other, in fact it does make sure the baboons who would speculate away any personal retirement savings actually have something to live on besides boundless and utterly unjustified self-confidence. A large percentage of the people clamoring for those accounts would end up as broke as 80% of the 1990s day-traders did, of course they're dumbasses so they'd never count themselves into that herd until they were 72 and living on cat food, even then a lot of them would still just think they were having a cold streak while applauding themselves on their thrift in trading down to the cat food.

SS plays no significant part in my retirement income plans, even though I'm not that far from drawing it; I'll certainly take whatever my payout is, after all I've been forced to put into it for 40 years, so why would I walk away from my own forcibly-expropriated dough? No, what I object to is phony accounting and the corruption of a program that a lot of people have had to pour their money into, willing or not, for the temporary vote-buying benefit of one incompetent buffoon trying to hold onto the White House.

djones520
12-09-2011, 12:27 AM
You presume far too much when you say that 'Fan of Socialism' idiocy, but it's typical of you to overplay your hand like that in argument here, throwing away any semblance of rational analysis for the baseless cheap shot when you get painted into a corner.

No, I don't really care about SS one way or the other, in fact it does make sure the baboons who would speculate away any personal retirement savings actually have something to live on besides boundless and utterly unjustified self-confidence. A large percentage of the people clamoring for those accounts would end up as broke as 80% of the 1990s day-traders did, of course they're dumbasses so they'd never count themselves into that herd until they were 72 and living on cat food, even then a lot of them would still just think they were having a cold streak while applauding themselves on their thrift in trading down to the cat food.

SS plays no significant part in my retirement income plans, even though I'm not that far from drawing it; I'll certainly take whatever my payout is, after all I've been forced to put into it for 40 years, so why would I walk away from my own forcibly-expropriated dough? No, what I object to is phony accounting and the corruption of a program that a lot of people have had to pour their money into, willing or not, for the temporary vote-buying benefit of one incompetent buffoon trying to hold onto the White House.

At least you may get to collect some from it. I'm paying money that I'll never see again. Pisses me off. Wish they hadn't stonewalled Bush's plan.

Apocalypse
12-09-2011, 12:33 AM
At least you may get to collect some from it. I'm paying money that I'll never see again. Pisses me off. Wish they hadn't stonewalled Bush's plan.
Yea, but that would have taken the power away from them and stripped them of their slush funds.

If the money was secured as Bush would have done, then how could Dems talked about throwing Grandma off the cliff?

Tipsycatlover
12-09-2011, 10:47 AM
obama's threat has nothing to do with tax cuts. It is all about killing Keystone which would bring real jobs here.

Arroyo_Doble
12-09-2011, 10:59 AM
Wei for me personally, I couldn't care less. I will never receive SS when I need it as it will be bankrupt and long gone before I retire.


SS plays no significant part in my retirement income plans, even though I'm not that far from drawing it; I'll certainly take whatever my payout is, after all I've been forced to put into it for 40 years, so why would I walk away from my own forcibly-expropriated dough?


At least you may get to collect some from it. I'm paying money that I'll never see again.

This is something I don't understand and something that leads me to believe that we Americans are essentially a docile, bovine culture.

Why not fight for what is yours? Why meekly accept it?

DumbAss Tanker
12-09-2011, 11:05 AM
This is something I don't understand and something that leads me to believe that we Americans are essentially a docile, bovine culture.

Why not fight for what is yours? Why meekly accept it?


Voting is the only legal way to fight it, and there haven't been enough votes to change it in my working life. At this point it's a Sun Tzu kind of thing for me...the fight would be a pointless dissipation of resources with no path to victory for my noble house, and therefore not an engagement that should be undertaken, but rather it is time to seek victory and prosperity through other means than direct conflict.

txradioguy
12-09-2011, 11:26 AM
This is something I don't understand and something that leads me to believe that we Americans are essentially a docile, bovine culture.

Glad to see that you agree with your hero that we as Americans are "lazy".

Arroyo_Doble
12-09-2011, 11:30 AM
Glad to see that you agree with your hero that we as Americans are "lazy".

Alexis de Tocqueville called Americans lazy?

Well .... maybe in the South .....

Novaheart
12-09-2011, 11:43 AM
Glad to see that you agree with your hero that we as Americans are "lazy".

The more damning accusation is that Americans are afraid, not lazy. We are afraid of the consequences of challenging the government from the local government on up. Publicly indict the town council or the police chief and you may find yourself pulled over and set up with very little you can do about it. Physically oppose oppression by the government and get charged with assaulting a police officer. Defend your home from the police? Forgettaboutit.

We're afraid of losing our stuff. We're afraid of our jails and prisons, because they are dangerous places in and of themselves. We are pretty sure that the government can make life miserable for us if we do much more than "protest" on the mall, have insipid candlelight vigils or wave signs at our overlords as they nap in their limousines.

AmPat
12-13-2011, 09:38 AM
So Mr Dopey-Changy is playing politics with a known job creation. I thought the Marxist was attempting to paint Republicans as the problem with creating jobs? He has gone out on Taxpayer funded re-election campaigns harping on his new slush fund. Apparently he isn't serious about jobs, who knew?:confused::rolleyes:

DumbAss Tanker
12-13-2011, 10:52 AM
So Mr Dopey-Changy is playing politics with a known job creation. I thought the Marxist was attempting to paint Republicans as the problem with creating jobs?

The problem with the Dem strategy is that it's a two-way street, all it takes is Republicans with enough balls and common sense to fight back and serve their bullshit back to them, which has been a weak point in the past *cough*McCain*cough* instead of just lying there and taking it. The GOP can turn it around and point to Democrat control of the Senate for the entire Obi-Wan Presidential term and the House for half of it (Actually more than half, up until the end of the lame duck session well after the 2012 election is over).

marv
12-13-2011, 10:57 AM
Obullshit won't veto the bill, he'll just use a "signing statement" to effectively embargo the funds necessary to build it. How he explains that to the unions is a story for another day.

Starbuck
12-13-2011, 12:00 PM
I remember when I was assured by my accountant that I would never see a penny of my Social Security. That was 15 years ago. Been receiving it for a year, now, and I don't look for it to stop.

In the future, I can see where many wealthy people will not receive Social Security, but we mortals can count on it. Predictions of the system 'going broke' and 'people not receiving checks' are just talking points used by elected officials offering themselves up as having the only cure.

But that doesn't mean you should depend completely upon your Social Security payment to fund your retirement. It is still up to each of us to provide for himself and his family.

Back to Keystone:
Putting off a decision about Keystone is just Obama being Obama. Keystone or no Keystone, one group of Democratic voters is going to be pissed. The Republicans are just forcing him to take one medicine or the other.:)

Tipsycatlover
12-13-2011, 12:15 PM
The payroll tax cut is temporary. In 2013 the tax rate will go up 2 1/2 percent.

Apocalypse
01-18-2012, 03:43 PM
WaPo (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/2012/01/18/gIQAwoVE8P_story.html) confirms.
The Obama administration will announce this afternoon it is rejecting a Canadian firm’s application for a permit to build and operate a massive oil pipeline across the U.S.-Canada border, according to sources who have been briefed on the matter.


However the administration will allow TransCanada to reapply after it develops an alternate route through the sensitive habitat of Nebraska’s Sandhills. Deputy Secretary of State William J. Burns will make the announcement, which comes in response to a congressionally-mandated deadline of Feb. 21 for action on the proposed Keystone pipeline.


Wonderfull!

Bailey
01-18-2012, 04:05 PM
WaPo (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/2012/01/18/gIQAwoVE8P_story.html) confirms.
The Obama administration will announce this afternoon it is rejecting a Canadian firm’s application for a permit to build and operate a massive oil pipeline across the U.S.-Canada border, according to sources who have been briefed on the matter.


However the administration will allow TransCanada to reapply after it develops an alternate route through the sensitive habitat of Nebraska’s Sandhills. Deputy Secretary of State William J. Burns will make the announcement, which comes in response to a congressionally-mandated deadline of Feb. 21 for action on the proposed Keystone pipeline.


Wonderfull!

The fucking bastard is waiting till after the election to approve it.

txradioguy
01-18-2012, 04:07 PM
It's almost like he doesn't want to get re-elected.

Not that it's a bad thing...

I say attach Keystone anyway...call his bluff...then when he vetoes it use the soundbites of his announcement of the veto in every GOP election ad from now until November and choke him with it.

Bailey
01-18-2012, 04:46 PM
It's almost like he doesn't want to get re-elected.

Not that it's a bad thing...

I say attach Keystone anyway...call his bluff...then when he vetoes it use the soundbites of his announcement of the veto in every GOP election ad from now until November and choke him with it.

Its a smart move on his part, this will shore up his base and anyone who cares about job creation wouldn't vote for the Magic Negro in the first place.

DumbAss Tanker
01-19-2012, 10:41 AM
Its a smart move on his part, this will shore up his base and anyone who cares about job creation wouldn't vote for the Magic Negro in the first place.

I don't know how smart it really is, the part of his base that this really matters to would show up and donate for him anyway, even if he was caught eating live babies on real-time TV. Neither is it going to get him a Blue Senator from Nebraska to replace Nelson. His shills haven't articulated anything intelligent about what another year of studies will accomplish that three years worth of them haven't already covered in spades.

Janice
01-21-2012, 12:25 AM
In another story TransCanada Corp. and American entrepreneurs may make an end run around the 0bama Regime:

TransCanada May Shorten Keystone XL, Bypass Federal Review (http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-01-20/transcanada-may-shorten-keystone-xl-bypass-federal-review.html)

TransCanada Corp. may shorten the initial path for its rejected Keystone XL project, bringing oil from Montana’s Bakken Shale to refiners in the Gulf of Mexico and removing the need for federal approval.

“There certainly is a potential opportunity to connect the Bakken to the Gulf Coast,” Alex Pourbaix, TransCanada’s president of energy and oil pipelines, said in a telephone interview today. “That is obviously something we’ll be looking into over the next few weeks.”

TransCanada’s $7 billion Keystone XL proposal to bring crude from Canada’s oil sands to the Gulf was rejected yesterday by the Obama administration. The project required U.S. approval because it crossed the border with Canada. The company may seek that approval after it builds the segment from Montana to the Gulf, Pourbaix said.

The Bakken shale-rock formation is estimated to hold as much as 4.3 billion barrels of technically recoverable oil in North Dakota and Montana, according to a 2008 U.S. Geological Survey report. Oil production in North Dakota surged 42 percent to 510,000 barrels a day in November, exceeding the output of Ecuador.

Production in the Bakken field may reach 750,000 barrels a day this year, Edward Morse, managing director of commodities research for Citigroup Inc., said at a conference in Calgary today. MORE ...

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The Bakken shale-rock formation is potentially a deposit rivaling that of the Middle East, Saudi Arabia, and it's one of the best kept secrets in the country. There is a boom in the North Dakota economy because of it.

Retread
01-21-2012, 12:33 AM
Alexis de Tocqueville called Americans lazy?

Well .... maybe in the South .....

I didn't know you lived in France??

AmPat
01-21-2012, 10:22 AM
Alexis de Tocqueville called Americans lazy?

Well .... maybe in the South .....

South of where or what? The American South has become the next Detroit. Texas is thriving FL still has Mickey even after an O Blah Blah visit, LA. survived in spite of O Blah Blah's politically motivated embargo of the petroleum industry.

If O Blah Blah somehow gets enough retards and dead people to elect him again, I will probably have to move back to the South in order to survive the DIMoRAT apocalypse that will follow another four years of the Marxist-In-Chief.