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Tipsycatlover
12-13-2011, 12:35 PM
The legislator, Parviz Sarvari, told the student news agency ISNA: "Soon we will hold a military maneuver on how to close the Strait of Hormuz. If the world wants to make the region insecure, we will make the world insecure."

http://news.yahoo.com/iran-army-declines-mps-hormuz-exercise-remarks-132115297.html

Not that the obama regime cares.

THE Gypsy
12-13-2011, 12:47 PM
I've never had any doubt that if, and when, Iran feels threatened enough, this would be their first move.

Starbuck
12-13-2011, 01:04 PM
Kind of misleading. Iran's not going to close the Strait of Hormuz. They're going to "practice its ability to close the Gulf to shipping at the narrow Strait of Hormuz", which is a long way from actually closing it.

Anyway, it's not theirs to close. Ships pass through territorial waters of Iran and Oman to transit the strait, and rights to those particular waters have been defined through the U. N.

THE Gypsy
12-13-2011, 01:10 PM
I had to do digging :D...Remember this from 2009...


...Iranian waters stretch along the Gulf, the Strait of Hormuz and the Sea of Oman. Iran has threatened to block the Strait of Hormuz, through which about 40 percent of the world's traded oil is shipped, if it were attacked over its nuclear programme.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2009/05/25/idINIndia-39868320090525

If I remember correctly, I believe it was in 2008? that they built a base close to the Straight and they also threatened then too.

THE Gypsy
12-13-2011, 01:14 PM
Kind of misleading. Iran's not going to close the Strait of Hormuz. They're going to "practice its ability to close the Gulf to shipping at the narrow Strait of Hormuz", which is a long way from actually closing it.

Anyway, it's not theirs to close. Ships pass through territorial waters of Iran and Oman to transit the strait, and rights to those particular waters have been defined through the U. N.


I agree the title is "misleading". However...If they are attacked, it makes no difference if it's "theirs to close" or not.

marv
12-13-2011, 01:34 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strait_of_Hormuz
(snip)

Ships moving through the Strait follow a Traffic Separation Scheme (TSS), which separates inbound from outbound traffic to reduce the risk of collision. The traffic lane is six miles (10 km) wide, including two two-mile (3 km)-wide traffic lanes, one inbound and one outbound, separated by a two-mile (3 km) wide separation median.

To traverse the Strait, ships pass through the territorial waters of Iran and Oman under the transit passage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit_passage) provisions of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_on_the_Law_of_the_Sea) Although not all countries have ratified the convention, most countries, including the U.S., accept these customary navigation rules as codified in the Convention. Oman has a radar site LQI to monitor the TSS in the strait of Hormuz. This site is located on a small island on the peak of Mussandam Peninsula.

(snip)

THE Gypsy
12-13-2011, 01:38 PM
Yeah...And we all know Iran would never do anything against, or to upset, the UN!

Starbuck
12-13-2011, 01:47 PM
Oh, I suppose they could be stupid enough to close the strait. And with Obama at the helm, we may even turn away and say, Whut th' Hell! We didn't really want to use it, anyway".

But stopping off 40% of the word's oil supply is not smart, especially in view of these facts:
3/4 of Japan’s consumption of oil passes through the strait.

China, the world’s second largest oil consumer, sources over 70% of its imported oil from the Middle East, according to the People’s Daily.

India depends on the Middle East for nearly 74% of its imports of crude oil (2007-8).

South Korea received over 80% of its imported crude oil from the Middle East for the greater part of 2009.

The US imports about 24% of its crude oil from the Gulf (2008).

Iranians, always hysterical and irrational, may shoot themselves in the foot someday, and if they want to practice it, I say let 'em. It reminds me of the North Koreans launching missiles "toward" America and Russia "aiming" their Missiles at America.

To All,I say: Fire When Ready.:D

noonwitch
12-13-2011, 01:53 PM
Kind of misleading. Iran's not going to close the Strait of Hormuz. They're going to "practice its ability to close the Gulf to shipping at the narrow Strait of Hormuz", which is a long way from actually closing it.

Anyway, it's not theirs to close. Ships pass through territorial waters of Iran and Oman to transit the strait, and rights to those particular waters have been defined through the U. N.

I was thinking that, too. It's international waters.

They can try to shut it down. I doubt they really could take on a fleet of US ships, including aircraft carriers, should the US intervene. The UN will do nothing unless the US leads.

It would be a stupid move on Iran's part-all those european nations who haven't cared about the threats to Israel will care about getting oil.

Tipsycatlover
12-13-2011, 02:24 PM
Iran will undoubtably let its own ships through. They will undoubtably ask for China's protection for the tankers shipping oil to China.

Iran has much more of a friend in Pakistan after Cupcake's screw ups.

Tipsycatlover
12-13-2011, 02:25 PM
I've never had any doubt that if, and when, Iran feels threatened enough, this would be their first move.

Hi Gypsy. Did you get lonesome over there?

Bailey
12-13-2011, 02:30 PM
Iran will undoubtably let its own ships through. They will undoubtably ask for China's protection for the tankers shipping oil to China.

Iran has much more of a friend in Pakistan after Cupcake's screw ups.

No way that place will stay closed longer then it takes to get a Carrier into range if there isnt one there already. If China even dared to protect Iran it'l get its clock cleaned, which is why I doubt they would even try.

djones520
12-13-2011, 02:37 PM
I'd put my money on China not doing a damn thing to protect Iran. 1/6th of the worlds oil flows through the straits. The destabilizing effect that would have on the economy would hit China just as hard as it would hit everyone else.

The US is on the record stating that if Iran were to close the Straits we would consider it an act of war. Say what you want about Obama, but he would have to act. To just sit back would invite flat out disaster in the markets and if you think our economy is bad now, just wait and see what would happen then. Just simply threatening this caused the price of oil to jump $3 a barrel.

Arroyo_Doble
12-13-2011, 02:59 PM
I'd put my money on China not doing a damn thing to protect Iran. 1/6th of the worlds oil flows through the straits. The destabilizing effect that would have on the economy would hit China just as hard as it would hit everyone else.

The US is on the record stating that if Iran were to close the Straits we would consider it an act of war. Say what you want about Obama, but he would have to act. To just sit back would invite flat out disaster in the markets and if you think our economy is bad now, just wait and see what would happen then. Just simply threatening this caused the price of oil to jump $3 a barrel.

Has (modern) China ever acted in an aggressive way to ensure their resources? I get the impression they act in the opposite fashion; placating whoever stands astride their rise bowl.

THE Gypsy
12-13-2011, 03:12 PM
2 other things to consider here...

1. The Russians are also in bed with the Iranians

2. The Iranian regime isn't exactly sane.:cool: They're looking for Armageddon to usher in the Mahdi.

THE Gypsy
12-13-2011, 03:14 PM
Hi Gypsy. Did you get lonesome over there?

Hi there, Tips...It is indeed a little "slow" these days.

Tipsycatlover
12-13-2011, 03:21 PM
Hi there, Tips...It is indeed a little "slow" these days.

I hope you will enjoy it here without the elements that made it "slow".

Tipsycatlover
12-13-2011, 03:23 PM
I'd put my money on China not doing a damn thing to protect Iran. 1/6th of the worlds oil flows through the straits. The destabilizing effect that would have on the economy would hit China just as hard as it would hit everyone else.

The US is on the record stating that if Iran were to close the Straits we would consider it an act of war. Say what you want about Obama, but he would have to act. To just sit back would invite flat out disaster in the markets and if you think our economy is bad now, just wait and see what would happen then. Just simply threatening this caused the price of oil to jump $3 a barrel.

The US is on the record!

Maybe past administrations said that but not President Professor.

He's one dither, one misstep, one error away from political oblivion.

Arroyo_Doble
12-13-2011, 03:33 PM
The US is on the record!

Maybe past administrations said that but not President Professor.

He's one dither, one misstep, one error away from political oblivion.

You all hot for another war? We haven't even finished the last two yet, let alone pay for them.

Tipsycatlover
12-13-2011, 04:11 PM
You all hot for another war? We haven't even finished the last two yet, let alone pay for them.

We aren't fighting wars. We're playing whack-a-mole.

The enemy is islam. We recognize that and win, or keep chasing down islam when it sticks its ugly head our of a cave someplace.

THE Gypsy
12-13-2011, 04:17 PM
I hope you will enjoy it here without the elements that made it "slow".

Thanks, Tipsy. :o

Odysseus
12-13-2011, 05:25 PM
Oh, I suppose they could be stupid enough to close the strait. And with Obama at the helm, we may even turn away and say, Whut th' Hell! We didn't really want to use it, anyway".

But stopping off 40% of the word's oil supply is not smart, especially in view of these facts:
3/4 of Japan’s consumption of oil passes through the strait.

China, the world’s second largest oil consumer, sources over 70% of its imported oil from the Middle East, according to the People’s Daily.

India depends on the Middle East for nearly 74% of its imports of crude oil (2007-8).

South Korea received over 80% of its imported crude oil from the Middle East for the greater part of 2009.

The US imports about 24% of its crude oil from the Gulf (2008).

Iranians, always hysterical and irrational, may shoot themselves in the foot someday, and if they want to practice it, I say let 'em. It reminds me of the North Koreans launching missiles "toward" America and Russia "aiming" their Missiles at America.

To All,I say: Fire When Ready.:D
China would almost certainly get its oil, and wouldn't have to do much. India and South Korea, OTOH, would have serious problems, as the Iranians consider the Hindus to be even lower than Christians and are allies of North Korea. In fact, the Norks might have a hand in goading Iran to make good on its threat, so that they can exercise leverage against the South in return for more handouts.

Has (modern) China ever acted in an aggressive way to ensure their resources? I get the impression they act in the opposite fashion; placating whoever stands astride their rise bowl.
China has never had to act aggressively to get what it wants, although within its sphere of influence, it certainly likes to throw its weight around. However, it's unlikely that China would be affected by this, as Iran is supported by China, and they would not alienate one of their sources of nuclear and missile technology. The primary targets for a closure of the Straights of Hormuz are Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Iraq, all of whom ship through the Straights, although the Saudis have ports on the other side of the peninsula that could take up much of the slack. However, Kuwait and Iraq are US allies and both would expect us to do something to open the Straights to their shipping, or they would have to cut a deal with Iran, which would put them that much closer to the regional hegemony that they are seeking.

You all hot for another war? We haven't even finished the last two yet, let alone pay for them.
Iran declared war on us in 1979 and has never repudiated that declaration. The question isn't whether we want "another" war, it's whether we are prepared to fight the ones that we are already in.

Starbuck
12-13-2011, 05:34 PM
I'd put my money on China not doing a damn thing to protect Iran. 1/6th of the worlds oil flows through the straits. The destabilizing effect that would have on the economy would hit China just as hard as it would hit everyone else.

The US is on the record stating that if Iran were to close the Straits we would consider it an act of war. Say what you want about Obama, but he would have to act. To just sit back would invite flat out disaster in the markets and if you think our economy is bad now, just wait and see what would happen then. Just simply threatening this caused the price of oil to jump $3 a barrel.

I think you're on the right track.

They want to 'practice' closing the strait? Time for us to 'practice' choking the living shit out of hysterical Muslims.:)

txradioguy
12-14-2011, 03:07 AM
The best thing to do would be to repeat what we did in the 80's...flag ever ship coming through there with the American flag...and let the 5th fleet provide escort. Iran would back down...again.

Now we just need to elect someone next November that would actually implement said strategy.

DumbAss Tanker
12-14-2011, 01:18 PM
Closing the strait is their obvious strategic card, either completely or selectively. Our obvious strategic response would be to enforce freedom of navigation in it, which is pretty much why we have a Navy.

Tipsycatlover
12-14-2011, 07:04 PM
Closing the strait is their obvious strategic card, either completely or selectively. Our obvious strategic response would be to enforce freedom of navigation in it, which is pretty much why we have a Navy.

Did you forget obama was the president?

DumbAss Tanker
12-15-2011, 11:35 AM
Did you forget obama was the president?

That should be fixed next year.

Arroyo_Doble
12-15-2011, 11:42 AM
That should be fixed next year.

If you want that to happen, clamoring for another war isn't going to help.

DumbAss Tanker
12-15-2011, 01:07 PM
If you want that to happen, clamoring for another war isn't going to help.

Oh, is that what I was doing? Thank you so much, I must cinch down my saber knot a bit!

:rolleyes:

Arroyo_Doble
12-15-2011, 01:17 PM
Oh, is that what I was doing?


Not that I am aware of.