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Wei Wu Wei
12-26-2011, 10:14 PM
A very common claim that I see thrown around, the golden piece of evidence that justifies Islamophobic ideology, is that most (or all) terrorist attacks are committed by Muslims.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11D36OkesVw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT54PpHdT0E

"that's not opinion that is fact".


Not it's not.

According to the FBI: http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005/terror02_05
(for the full list of recent terrorist attacks, scroll to bottom)

Most terrorist attacks have not been committed by Muslims. In fact, according to the FBI, only 6% of terrorist attacks have been committed by Muslims.

Some people eager to believe that Mooooozelems are out to get them will claim that they commit more attacks than any other group, but that's just not true.

Latino Extremist groups have done 7 times more terror acts. Radical environmentalists have committed more terror attacks than radical muslims. Even radical Jewish groups have committed more terrorist attacks than radical Islamists.


That comes from the FBI. Let's hope we can put that myth to rest.

Bailey
12-26-2011, 10:29 PM
No just the most deadliest ones....

Big Guy
12-26-2011, 10:34 PM
Using the definition given by the FBI and the statistics, also provided by the FBI you are absolutly correct. Most terrorist attacks in the U.S. are not perpetrated by Muslims. In fact, according to the FBI statistics, they are mostly perpetrated by LEFT WING NUT JOBS.

Your buddies,..... Wee Wee.

Of course there are some RIGHT WING NUT JOBS that are also commiting these Terrorist attacks, but most are the lefties, burining down houses, vandalizing buildings, etc.

Good job Wee Wee, you are right. :D

Wei Wu Wei
12-26-2011, 10:59 PM
Using the definition given by the FBI and the statistics, also provided by the FBI you are absolutly correct. Most terrorist attacks in the U.S. are not perpetrated by Muslims. In fact, according to the FBI statistics, they are mostly perpetrated by LEFT WING NUT JOBS.

Your buddies,..... Wee Wee.

Of course there are some RIGHT WING NUT JOBS that are also commiting these Terrorist attacks, but most are the lefties, burining down houses, vandalizing buildings, etc.

Good job Wee Wee, you are right. :D

Yes left-wing extremists, radical environmentalist groups and the like have committed far more terrorist attacks than Muslim Radicals or Jewish Radicals etc.

Of course I don't support any form of violence or terrorism so I wouldn't call them "buddies".

Wei Wu Wei
12-26-2011, 11:01 PM
No just the most deadliest ones....

So if the 9/11 attack failed and no one died, then Muslims/Islam would not be a threat?

Rockntractor
12-26-2011, 11:05 PM
So if the 9/11 attack failed and no one died, then Muslims/Islam would not be a threat?

Is Islam a threat to the west Mr. Wei?

Big Guy
12-26-2011, 11:05 PM
Yes left-wing extremists, radical environmentalist groups and the like have committed far more terrorist attacks than Muslim Radicals or Jewish Radicals etc.

Of course I don't support any form of violence or terrorism so I wouldn't call them "buddies".

Oh,.. my bad they are your friends. :D

Apocalypse
12-26-2011, 11:06 PM
Coming to us with Media Maters as a source Wei?

And how long till we tear you/it apart?

FYI from the FBI


LEFT-WING GROUPS:The FBI states leftist extremist groups "generally profess a revolutionary socialist doctrine and view themselves as protectors of the people against the "dehumanizing effects" of capitalism and imperialism." From 1960 to the mid-1980s, most acts of extremist violence were committed by leftist factions like the Weather Underground. A wellspring of disaffected, radical youth with ideological roots in the civil rights, women's liberation, and anti-war movements provided these groups with much of their militant fervor. However, broad left-wing violence has been in a marked decline since the fall of the Soviet Union and a successful FBI infiltration campaign in the mid-1980s.
May have been on the decline after the '80's. But I'm willing to bet with the OWS movement, its taken a sharp and drastic uptick

Also from their site for laughs.


The same report found "little public evidence that the Obama administration has launched a significant effort to deal with the continuing criminal enforcement flaws."

Another words, the Oblabla admin doesn't want to classify some acts as terrorism which would carry much harsher punishments for political reasons. Example. Fort hood shooting.

Wei Wu Wei
12-26-2011, 11:23 PM
Yes left-wing violent extremists have done bad things, I'm not denying that.

Go ahead and sing it on the hilltops if it makes you happy, I'm not arguing. However, let's not forget that the claim that "most terrorist attacks have been committed by Muslims" is pure BS.

Apocalypse
12-26-2011, 11:25 PM
According to the FBI: http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005/terror02_05
(for the full list of recent terrorist attacks, scroll to bottom)

Most terrorist attacks have not been committed by Muslims. In fact, according to the FBI, only 6% of terrorist attacks have been committed by Muslims.

Also from that site.


Violent Extremism or 'Domestic Terrorism'?

Since September 11, the threat of internationally based Islamic extremist networks has dominated concerns of Homeland Security officials. And while authorities say the threats posed by homegrown Islamic extremism is growing, the FBI has reported that roughly two-thirds of terrorism in the United States was conducted by non-Islamic American extremists from 1980-2001; and from 2002-2005, it went up to 95 percent.


With the enactment of the Patriot Act in 2001, the legal definition of "terrorism" was expanded to include domestic as well as international terrorism. However, alternative definitions still exist at the FBI, Justice Department, Homeland Security Department, and Defense Department.Another words, that 96% by you is artificially high due to a change in classification. Kinda like Obama's "Seasonally Adjusted" unemployment numbers is artificially low.

Wei Wu Wei
12-26-2011, 11:28 PM
Also from that site.

Another words, that 96% by you is artificially high due to a change in classification. Kinda like Obama's "Seasonally Adjusted" unemployment numbers is artificially low.

Does that change in classification only apply to Muslim radicals or does it apply to all groups?

We're comparing cross-group, not cross-time.

NJCardFan
12-26-2011, 11:31 PM
Media Matters? Seriously? Wow, wee. Your favorite sources are Media Matters and Al Jazeera. Both of these are just to the left of Pravda.

Wei Wu Wei
12-26-2011, 11:32 PM
Media Matters? Seriously? Wow, wee. Your favorite sources are Media Matters and Al Jazeera. Both of these are just to the left of Pravda.

The only link I posted was to an official FBI source.

yesss nothing but left-wing propaganda :rolleyes:

Big Guy
12-26-2011, 11:34 PM
Damn Wee Wee, looks like you are losing the debate you started, and by the site you provided. Next time you might try being a little more OBJECTIVE.

Waiting for your next failure. :popcorn:

Big Guy
12-26-2011, 11:38 PM
[QUOTE=Wei Wu Wei;471402]A very common claim that I see thrown around, the golden piece of evidence that justifies Islamophobic ideology, is that most (or all) terrorist attacks are committed by Muslims.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11D36OkesVw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT54PpHdT0E

QUOTE]

Just in case you forgot, yes you did use Media maters.

Apocalypse
12-26-2011, 11:45 PM
Does that change in classification only apply to Muslim radicals or does it apply to all groups?

We're comparing cross-group, not cross-time.
That change applies to all groups.

So where before it only really counted acts committed by those outside the US as Terrorist Attacks, now it can count the acts that never should be counted as an act of Terrorism.

For example;


In-flight confrontations can lead to terrorism charges

At least 200 passengers have been convicted of felonies under the Patriot Act, often for behavior involving raised voices and profanity. Some experts say airlines are misusing the law.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/external?http%3A%2F%2Fwww.latimes.com%2Fnews%2Fnat ionworld%2Fnation%2Fla-na-airline-felonies20-2009jan20%2C0%2C5468299.story


Note one line in that article, where a mother was charged with Terrorism for spanking her misbehaving children.

NJCardFan
12-26-2011, 11:52 PM
The only link I posted was to an official FBI source.

yesss nothing but left-wing propaganda :rolleyes:

Ummmm.......


A very common claim that I see thrown around, the golden piece of evidence that justifies Islamophobic ideology, is that most (or all) terrorist attacks are committed by Muslims.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11D36OkesVw

Wei Wu Wei
12-26-2011, 11:55 PM
Just in case you forgot, yes you did use Media maters.

Oh my mistake, I was wrong.

I was posting a clip from a Fox News broadcast, but it seems Media Matters uploaded that Fox News clip and had their logo on it. I didn't realize it, foolish me.

I admit that I didn't realize that Media Matters tagged the Fox News clip I was quoting. I'll look for that same clip without the media matters tag on it for objectivity.

Apocalypse
12-26-2011, 11:57 PM
Swing and a miss.

Big Guy
12-26-2011, 11:58 PM
Oh my mistake, I was wrong.

I was posting a clip from a Fox News broadcast, but it seems Media Matters uploaded that Fox News clip and had their logo on it. I didn't realize it, foolish me.

I admit that I didn't realize that Media Matters tagged the Fox News clip I was quoting. I'll look for that same clip without the media matters tag on it for objectivity.

You do that, not that it will change anything.......:popcorn:

Wei Wu Wei
12-26-2011, 11:58 PM
That change applies to all groups.

So where before it only really counted acts committed by those outside the US as Terrorist Attacks, now it can count the acts that never should be counted as an act of Terrorism.

For example;



Note one line in that article, where a mother was charged with Terrorism for spanking her misbehaving children.

I see your point. Okay we should look at that same data, but ignore all of the incidents of terror after the Patriot Act was passed?

That's 25 cases, almost all of which were left-wing extremists.

Wei Wu Wei
12-26-2011, 11:59 PM
You do that, not that it will change anything.......:popcorn:

Won't change anything?

Do you mean that Fox News clip will be the same regardless of who uploads it?

Hawkgirl
12-27-2011, 12:00 AM
WW3, what's your point? Are you saying Muslim terrorists are not a threat?

Wei Wu Wei
12-27-2011, 12:00 AM
Swing and a miss.

The Data I used comes from the FBI. The only thing from media matters was a clip from Fox News, showing the kind of crazy stuff spewed on that network. I get it though, you don't like media matters, that's fine. If you want, I won't talk about Fox News and we can talk just about the FBI-approved data?

Wei Wu Wei
12-27-2011, 12:02 AM
WW3, what's your point? Are you saying Muslim terrorists are not a threat?

Not at all, Islamic extremist terrorist groups are a threat, but that threat is vastly over-exaggerated.

When we talk about what sort of actions are to be taken to deal with this exaggerated threat, people always cite the false claim that Muslims are responsible for all or most terrorist attacks. This claim is wrong.

When people talk about profiling arabs or Muslims, the argument is always the same: "most terrorists are muslims". It's simply not true.

That doesn't mean that real Muslim terrorists aren't a threat, but the facts show that we don't need all the hysteria.

Hawkgirl
12-27-2011, 12:08 AM
Not at all, Islamic extremist terrorist groups are a threat, but that threat is vastly over-exaggerated.



Really? Tell that to the families of the 9/11 victims. Trying to marginalize the muslim terrorists is ignorant at best. We've created the Department of Homeland Security because of the threat of Islamist extremists.

Rockntractor
12-27-2011, 12:10 AM
That doesn't mean that real Muslim terrorists aren't a threat, but the facts show that we don't need all the hysteria.

Honestly, I have yet to see any hysteria as you say from conservatives, I have seen a liberal governments TSA agents hound average American citizens however while a raging Muslim man killed several servicemen while screaming Allah Akbar at FT Hood while our socialist president refereed to it as a workplace incident.

Big Guy
12-27-2011, 12:11 AM
Won't change anything?

Do you mean that Fox News clip will be the same regardless of who uploads it?

Nope, I mean it wont change anything about you being waaaaaaaaaay off and that your argument is just simply lame.

Next..........:popcorn:

Rockntractor
12-27-2011, 12:14 AM
Nope, I mean it wont change anything about you being waaaaaaaaaay off and that your argument is just simply lame.

Next..........:popcorn:

Apparently wei would rather mock dead Americans and excuse Islamic terrorists.

Novaheart
12-27-2011, 12:14 AM
Yes left-wing extremists, radical environmentalist groups and the like have committed far more terrorist attacks than Muslim Radicals or Jewish Radicals etc.

Of course I don't support any form of violence or terrorism so I wouldn't call them "buddies".

I can say with some certainty and in keeping with your argument that more Americans have been killed on US soil by other Americans than by any invasive people or culture.

SO WHAT?

It's like illegal aliens and drunken driving. Yes, Americans drink and drive and claim lives, and that doesn't change the fact that illegal aliens have no business in the US, none. ANd they should be deported, all of them.

I don't have Islamophobia. I want Islam contained in Islamic countries, and to stop the spread of this cancerous philosophy and the people who carry it. I have no use for them. They don't belong here or in the mother land. They don't belong in Australia, Mexico, Japan, or even the Philippines. Islam is a disease everywhere you find it.

All religions need to be done away with, but Islam needs to go first.

Apocalypse
12-27-2011, 12:15 AM
I see your point. Okay we should look at that same data, but ignore all of the incidents of terror after the Patriot Act was passed?

That's 25 cases, almost all of which were left-wing extremists.

Wei, some time take the time to actually read the crap you post.




This edition of Terrorism highlights significant terrorism-related events in the United States and selected FBI investigative efforts overseas that occurred during the years 2002 through 2005. Additionally, this report provides a wide range of statistical data relating to terrorism in the United States during the past two decades. This material is presented to provide readers with an historical framework for the examination of contemporary terrorism issues.


Another words, its only talking about select events, not all events they have recorded as acts of Terrorism.

And from another section;



Definitions
There is no single, universally accepted, definition of terrorism. Terrorism is defined in the Code of Federal Regulations as “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives” (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85).

The FBI further describes terrorism as either domestic or international, depending on the origin, base, and objectives of the terrorist organization. For the purpose of this report, the FBI will use the following definitions:


Another words, for this one report, they are changing their definition of terrorism.

This affects your numbers Wei.

Wei Wu Wei
12-27-2011, 12:18 AM
I can say with some certainty and in keeping with your argument that more Americans have been killed on US soil by other Americans than by any invasive people or culture.

SO WHAT?

So domestic crime should be more of an issue than international terrorism.

It affects more Americans more of the time.





It's like illegal aliens and drunken driving. Yes, Americans drink and drive and claim lives, and that doesn't change the fact that illegal aliens have no business in the US, none. ANd they should be deported, all of them.

I don't see the connection.


I don't have Islamophobia. I want Islam contained in Islamic countries, and to stop the spread of this cancerous philosophy and the people who carry it.

If someone said "I am not an Anti-Semite. I want Judaism contained in Jewish countries, and to stop te spread of this cancerous philosophy and the people who carry it", would that be anti-semitic?


I have no use for them.

Well guess what? They are human beings, they don't exist for your utility.


They don't belong here or in the mother land. They don't belong in Australia, Mexico, Japan, or even the Philippines. Islam is a disease everywhere you find it.

All religions need to be done away with, but Islam needs to go first.

Not Islamophobic at all.

Wei Wu Wei
12-27-2011, 12:19 AM
Wei, some time take the time to actually read the crap you post.



Another words, its only talking about select events, not all events they have recorded as acts of Terrorism.

And from another section;



Another words, for this one report, they are changing their definition of terrorism.

This affects your numbers Wei.

For any legitimate report, you are supposed to clarify your definition of terms used. Thats why this is a legitimate report and Glenn Beck is not.

If you don't want to trust the FBI on this issue, who do you want to trust? I am open to discussion here.

Wei Wu Wei
12-27-2011, 12:22 AM
Really? Tell that to the families of the 9/11 victims. Trying to marginalize the muslim terrorists is ignorant at best. We've created the Department of Homeland Security because of the threat of Islamist extremists.

Let me give you an example. Baby-kidnapping is a very serious issue and it can be entirely life-shattering to anyone it happens to. I in no way diminish the seriousness of this crime. However, if we look at how often it actually occurs, it's not that common. So while it is a serious issue that any family member would undoubtably suffer immensely from, it's not something that most Americans should be terrified about.

Just because something is very serious and horrible, doesn't mean everyone should always be hysterically afraid of it.

Hawkgirl
12-27-2011, 12:28 AM
L

Just because something is very serious and horrible, doesn't mean everyone should always be hysterically afraid of it.

No, being afraid is not what we do. As americans, we continued to live our lives....however; we do have the military taking care of threats overseas and the law enforcement working together with DHS here.


Again, what's the point of this thread?

Rockntractor
12-27-2011, 12:29 AM
Just because something is very serious and horrible, doesn't mean everyone should always be hysterically afraid of it.

Once again the hysterical is all in your head.

Rockntractor
12-27-2011, 12:30 AM
Again, what's the point of this thread?

The point of his thread is to try to make fun of everyone here.

Hawkgirl
12-27-2011, 12:32 AM
The point of his thread is to try to make fun of everyone here.

He has only successfully made himself look stupid.

Rockntractor
12-27-2011, 12:36 AM
He has only successfully made himself look stupid.

Nothing new there, that is the story of the time he has spent on this board.
He is feeling cocky because he recently had a woot thread.

Big Guy
12-27-2011, 12:38 AM
He has only successfully made himself look stupid.

Yes he has, but don't stop him. I'm enjoying this too much,..... I don't get much time to visit CU. I need the entertainment. :D:popcorn:

Apocalypse
12-27-2011, 12:39 AM
For any legitimate report, you are supposed to clarify your definition of terms used. Thats why this is a legitimate report and Glenn Beck is not.

If you don't want to trust the FBI on this issue, who do you want to trust? I am open to discussion here.
Where is Beck coming in on this? Because your losing your argument, so now its all Beck info?

Wei, they for this one and I stress from their own report, this one report, they have decided and admitted to changing how they classify terrorism. That % you quoted does not come from that report. So its not facing the same change in classification. Its using a totally different set of classification to compute its number.

Do you follow?

Or do I need to start using pictures?

Wei Wu Wei
12-27-2011, 12:51 AM
No, being afraid is not what we do. As americans, we continued to live our lives....however; we do have the military taking care of threats overseas and the law enforcement working together with DHS here.


Again, what's the point of this thread?

The point is to disprove the myth that most terrorists are Muslims or that most terrorist attacks committed in the US have been perpetrated by Muslims.

That myth is used all too often.

Teetop
12-27-2011, 08:35 AM
Although, this is world-wide, there have been 18,190 terrorist attacks since 911;

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/


I really don't think any other group, worldwide, comes close.

txradioguy
12-27-2011, 09:39 AM
If you don't want to trust the FBI on this issue, who do you want to trust? I am open to discussion here.

Would this be the same FBI that was paralyzed by political correctness prior to 9/11? That failed to heed warnings about the 20th hijacker?

The same FBI now that caters to and sucks up to C.A.I.R.? Who uses them in their "community outreach" programs while at the same time on C.A.I.R.'s website they tell Muslims not to cooperate with the FBI in trying to root out terrorists in their own communities?

No I don't trust the FBI on this issue...anymore than I trust you.

Novaheart
12-27-2011, 11:59 AM
The only link I posted was to an official FBI source.

yesss nothing but left-wing propaganda :rolleyes:

Would that be the same FBI which would have you believe that white on black attacks are more frequent than black on white attacks?

FBI raw data is acceptable. FBI analysis is not.

Novaheart
12-27-2011, 12:02 PM
Yes left-wing extremists, radical environmentalist groups and the like have committed far more terrorist attacks than Muslim Radicals or Jewish Radicals etc.

Of course I don't support any form of violence or terrorism so I wouldn't call them "buddies".

Left wing extremists booby trapping a California sequoia or setting a Toyota Sequoia on fire just really isn't in the same category with a USF professor being the enemy behind the lines in the US while aiding and abetting Hamas.

Your priorities are seriously out of whack.

DumbAss Tanker
12-27-2011, 12:03 PM
That comes from the FBI. Let's hope we can put that myth to rest.

It all depends on how low you want to set the bar on what constitutes a "Terrorist attack." Since the DOJ controls the FBI, which controls where that bar is set for purposes of this statistic, it's true within the limited meaning of those parameters.

Now let's talk about 'Lethal domestic terror attacks'...

Novaheart
12-27-2011, 12:14 PM
If someone said "I am not an Anti-Semite. I want Judaism contained in Jewish countries, and to stop te spread of this cancerous philosophy and the people who carry it", would that be anti-semitic?

You have a couple of false assumptions in play. ANti-semite is a term with a meaning, Islamophobic is some bullshit they made up at DU because they didn't have a term meaning "common sense". You'll note that when you type anti-semite into a post, the editor recognize the word, but islamophobia gets red underline, indicating that it's not a real word.

Then you have some false equivalents. The only Jewish country in the world is also the only liberal democracy, or any constitutional democratic republic in the Arab/Islamic sphere. Islam has a track record of being an undesirable form of culture and government. So to be "anti-jewish" and to be "anti-islamic" are not really the same thing.

I have asked you repeatedly to name ONE ISLAMIC COUNTRY which is the equal of a Western European country in liberty and the protection of the rights of the individual and you have repeatedly failed the request.




Well guess what? They are human beings, they don't exist for your utility. .


So are the North Koreans, Ugandans, and Rhodesians, and I don't want them here either.