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megimoo
09-13-2008, 10:44 AM
Obamanomics 101: For Useful Idiots

Like many other definitions that have been rewritten by left-wingnuts over time, the term “general welfare” no longer means what it did when it was written in our Constitution and ratified by the colonies in 1789.

As Thomas Jefferson once explained, “To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father has acquired too much, in order to spare to others who have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "to guarantee to everyone a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.”

The preamble to the Constitution establishes the goal of the effort as to; “establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.”

Today’s limousine liberals insist that the term “general welfare” implies a Marxist view that the federal government has the duty and the power to “take from each according to his ability, and give to each according to his need,” - to define and measure out individual well-being against the will of some on behalf of others. This is not only very dangerous to the basic concepts of liberty and freedom; it is diametrically at odds with everything the founders formed.

Target Taxing “the Rich”

Aside from the fact that punitive taxation penalizes the most productive members of society and rewards the least productive, it won’t work. This is not a subject up for debate. This is very old news which has been beyond dispute for centuries.

As a result, Jefferson, America’s best known liberal, stated it very clearly for future generations, - “I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.”


http://www.newmediajournal.us/staff/williams/2008/09122008.htm

IanMartins
09-13-2008, 11:02 AM
Grover Cleveland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Cleveland), the 22th President of the United States (1885–1889 and 1893–1897), was a member of the Democratic Party, steadfast in his support of the principles of classical liberalism, while also a strong supporter of the gold standard and a free laissez-faire economy. A true liberal of the Thomas Jefferson mold. Its tragic to see what has become of the Democratic Party -- they have such noble origins. It all went downhill quickly throughout the 20th century.

PoliCon
09-13-2008, 04:17 PM
why on earth do people feel the need to compair modern democrats to Jefferson? Jefferson was NOT NOT NOT a democrat. Desipte the ferverent desire of the modern democratic party to claim Jefferson - they can't. Jefferson was a member of the Democratic REPUBLICAN party. The modern democratic party was founded by President Andrew Jackson and - as most are well aware - the dems of today follow quite readily in his mold. Jackson firmly believed: "to the victor, goes the spoils." Modern democrats share his belief - provided that a democrat is the victor.

IanMartins
09-13-2008, 05:48 PM
why on earth do people feel the need to compair modern democrats to Jefferson? Jefferson was NOT NOT NOT a democrat. Desipte the ferverent desire of the modern democratic party to claim Jefferson - they can't. Jefferson was a member of the Democratic REPUBLICAN party. The modern democratic party was founded by President Andrew Jackson and - as most are well aware - the dems of today follow quite readily in his mold. Jackson firmly believed: "to the victor, goes the spoils." Modern democrats share his belief - provided that a democrat is the victor.

Thomas Jefferson was a 'classical liberal', and so was Grover Cleveland, who served two terms as President as a member of the Democratic Party. Of course neither of these two (who happen to be my favourite Presidents) have anything in common with either the Democratic Party or the Republican Party of today. The Democrats have embraced socialism and perverted the term 'liberal', while the Republicans have embraced nationalism and big government. Both parties have also embraced interventionalism, and blurred the line between religion and politics (the Republicans moreso).

Neither party has any right to "claim Jefferson" -- they have both remotely distanced themselves from him.

NonConformist
09-13-2008, 07:30 PM
Thomas Jefferson would march on washington, w/ rope

Then hed kick all us so called patriots in the nuts for allowing all their hard work to have been for nothing if he didnt hang us w/ them

PoliCon
09-13-2008, 09:25 PM
Thomas Jefferson was a 'classical liberal', and so was Grover Cleveland, who served two terms as President as a member of the Democratic Party. Of course neither of these two (who happen to be my favourite Presidents) have anything in common with either the Democratic Party or the Republican Party of today. The Democrats have embraced socialism and perverted the term 'liberal', while the Republicans have embraced nationalism and big government. Both parties have also embraced interventionalism, and blurred the line between religion and politics (the Republicans moreso).

Neither party has any right to "claim Jefferson" -- they have both remotely distanced themselves from him.have you ever once heard me call the democrats liberals? Let me answer for you - NO. I call them what they are lefties - or progressives even. I do NOT call them liberals since I hold to the true definition of a liberal which is NOT what these damn socialists in the DNC are.

As for the RNC and big government - you're right. The Republicans in congress crawled right into bed with lobbyists and the big government crowd - and they got voted out over it. Palin is exciting the base in part because she is NOT a big government sycophant. I hope that the inside the beltway republicans have realized that the base is NOT interested in big government.

PoliCon
09-13-2008, 09:26 PM
Thomas Jefferson would march on washington, w/ rope

Then hed kick all us so called patriots in the nuts for allowing all their hard work to have been for nothing if he didnt hang us w/ themhang us with our nuts?