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cowboyjack
01-01-2012, 12:29 PM
Is it more important to support the candidate that has all your conservative ideals and positions or is it more important to be pragmatic and support the candidate that can defeat Obama?

AmPat
01-01-2012, 12:45 PM
In the primaries, fight for and vote your principles. In our two party system, you then vote for the best of the two left standing in the general that is closer to your political philosophy.

Rockntractor
01-01-2012, 12:51 PM
In the primaries, fight for and vote your principles. In our two party system, you then vote for the best of the two left standing in the general that is closer to your political philosophy.

Precisely!

Kay
01-01-2012, 05:33 PM
We don't get to vote in Texas normally until March. This year due to all
the flap over re-districting they've pushed our primary election back into
April. Excellent advice above from Ampat. By the time I get to vote it
will most likely already be over and decided. I'm thinking at this point
I'll vote for my homie Perry. I don't think he has a chance of actually
becoming the nominee, but deep down he's the one with beliefs closest
to my own.

Retread
01-01-2012, 10:18 PM
In November - whoever is not the little o....

wwworkingguy
01-02-2012, 09:54 AM
In November - whoever is not the little o....

ditto

Odysseus
01-02-2012, 10:58 AM
Is it more important to support the candidate that has all your conservative ideals and positions or is it more important to be pragmatic and support the candidate that can defeat Obama?

Yes.

In the primaries, you support the candidate who comes closest to your ideals and positions, and do the same in the general election, with the understanding that any of the Republicans running is a better choice than Obama.

marv
01-02-2012, 11:14 AM
I try to be pragmatic even in the primaries. Depending on current national and international issues, who the candidates are, and what their individual positions and apparent qualifications are, will determine who I vote for.

Most importantly, I'm not a single-issue voter.

foxyladi14
01-02-2012, 12:27 PM
We don't get to vote in Texas normally until March. This year due to all
the flap over re-districting they've pushed our primary election back into
April. Excellent advice above from Ampat. By the time I get to vote it
will most likely already be over and decided. I'm thinking at this point
I'll vote for my homie Perry. I don't think he has a chance of actually
becoming the nominee, but deep down he's the one with beliefs closest
to my own.

I,m rooting for him too.:D

txradioguy
01-02-2012, 02:15 PM
In the primaries, fight for and vote your principles. In our two party system, you then vote for the best of the two left standing in the general that is closer to your political philosophy.

QFT

Chuck58
01-02-2012, 02:56 PM
New Mexico's primary is some time in June. I'm hoping Rick Perry is still in the mix then. I don't agree with some of his policies, i.e tuition for illegal alien kids, but he's closest to me in most other areas.

No doubt it'll all be a done deal by then, and voting will be a simple formality. Bottom line, anybody but obama. God help me for saying it, that even includes Ron Paul. I think he'll be done and gone by June, though.

THE RESISTANCE
01-03-2012, 02:45 PM
You must vote for someone that stands firm on Founding Principles first and almost entirely.
You can see what this nation has become when someone lets their positions on issues blot out the individual rights, natural rights philosophy of this nation ..socialist.
It is my belief that because of positions and not principles the two party system has become this; the left wing Socialist Democratic Party and the right wing Socialist Republican Party.

Many people run around thinking them conservative complaining about social programs instead of the real areas this nation is losing principles.

Socialist use social programs to buy votes to achieve the main tenents of Socialism.

That is government ownership of business and property , not the "people" for that is for the sheeple.

The Republican Party has helped creating a de-facto socialist , near socialist country by supporting regulations, laws , ordinances, taxes, fees, penalties that achieve government ownership of business and property. Even if you hold some sort of paper that says DEED.

The Republican Party is the biggest threat to the Founding Principles because it has not only let itself be had but because it has let itself be weakened internally on conservtive "principles" with other positions.

linda22003
01-03-2012, 03:49 PM
Is it more important to support the candidate that has all your conservative ideals and positions or is it more important to be pragmatic and support the candidate that can defeat Obama?

It depends on the result you want. If you can be satisfied that you stuck to the purity of your ideals during all the four years of the second Obama administration, go for it.

mike128
01-03-2012, 04:16 PM
I like Rick Perry a lot. And I really like Michele Bachmann. She really is the most consistant conservative. But the reality, as of now, is that Senator Rick Santorum is the one that's surging now against Flip-Flop Romney. So I would go with Santorum if I were able to caucus tonight in Iowa.

cowboyjack
01-08-2012, 06:29 PM
I have the feeling that there is a large Democratic crossover vote for Paul and Santorum because the Democrats fear a moderate Republican. A moderate GOP candidate will draw more independent voters than any conservative. And a conservative candidate mean a better chance for the reelection of Obama.

SarasotaRepub
01-08-2012, 10:13 PM
Newt was hilarious this morning. Sic em. :D

AmPat
01-08-2012, 10:15 PM
You must vote for someone that stands firm on Founding Principles first and almost entirely.
You can see what this nation has become when someone lets their positions on issues blot out the individual rights, natural rights philosophy of this nation ..socialist.
It is my belief that because of positions and not principles the two party system has become this; the left wing Socialist Democratic Party and the right wing Socialist Republican Party.

Many people run around thinking them conservative complaining about social programs instead of the real areas this nation is losing principles.

Socialist use social programs to buy votes to achieve the main tenents of Socialism.

That is government ownership of business and property , not the "people" for that is for the sheeple.

The Republican Party has helped creating a de-facto socialist , near socialist country by supporting regulations, laws , ordinances, taxes, fees, penalties that achieve government ownership of business and property. Even if you hold some sort of paper that says DEED.

The Republican Party is the biggest threat to the Founding Principles because it has not only let itself be had but because it has let itself be weakened internally on conservtive "principles" with other positions.
Yawn. Done yet?:rolleyes:
Look Skippy, we all know civics. We understand our Founding documents and Founders. SURPRISE! We too can read. Save your lessons for the other side. Idealism is great but always loses to pragmatism. I take exception to your statement that the GOP is the " biggest threat to the Founding Principles."

The progressives are the biggest threat and the GOP is the structure upon which any reverses to liberal disease must be made. We have a two party system like it or not. We fix what we can through elections. Those fixes won't happen by throwing the party aside and creating a numerically weaker party.

noonwitch
01-09-2012, 11:19 AM
I can vote in the Michigan GOP primary, and I usually do if there is not a democratic primary.

I'm debating it in my head-I loathe Mitt Romney because I think he really does not care about the average american. I like Ron Paul, because he is willing to say things that are unpopular, but he is an isolationist in a world where the US can't afford to be that way. But I will probably vote for Huntsman if he is still running at that point, because he seems like a decent human being.

The unions and Fieger have not stated who they think dems in Michigan should vote for to disrupt things (like McCain in 2000). My guess is that if they do that this time, they will put their back-handed support behind Ron Paul.

AmPat
01-09-2012, 11:25 AM
I can vote in the Michigan GOP primary, and I usually do if there is not a democratic primary.

I'm debating it in my head-I loathe Mitt Romney because I think he really does not care about the average american. I like Ron Paul, because he is willing to say things that are unpopular, but he is an isolationist in a world where the US can't afford to be that way. But I will probably vote for Huntsman if he is still running at that point, because he seems like a decent human being.

The unions and Fieger have not stated who they think dems in Michigan should vote for to disrupt things (like McCain in 2000). My guess is that if they do that this time, they will put their back-handed support behind Ron Paul.

Much like you, a liberal, voting for a Conservative that stands ZERO chance of getting the nomination. Other than diluting the vote, why would you even vote in a GOP primary? Huntsman has been and will continue to be DEAD LAST. Your vote is meaningless except to other liberals.:confused:

linda22003
01-09-2012, 11:34 AM
The primary's the only chance to vote your actual preference - in the general, you have to suck it up and vote for the nominee if you want your side to win. I'd also like Huntsman, but since I live in Virginia my preference is a moot point.

AmPat
01-09-2012, 11:48 AM
The primary's the only chance to vote your actual preference - in the general, you have to suck it up and vote for the nominee if you want your side to win. I'd also like Huntsman, but since I live in Virginia my preference is a moot point.
I understand the process. I can see only one reason for an avowed liberal to vote in a GOP primary, and it isn't any altruistic, "I just love his political ideology" crap. It is to dilute the vote as a DIMoRAT political strategy for the general.

noonwitch
01-10-2012, 01:00 PM
Much like you, a liberal, voting for a Conservative that stands ZERO chance of getting the nomination. Other than diluting the vote, why would you even vote in a GOP primary? Huntsman has been and will continue to be DEAD LAST. Your vote is meaningless except to other liberals.:confused:


How many republicans voted for Obama in the 2008 primaries because they thought he was the easier candidate for McCain to beat? I know it didn't work out all that well in the long run.

I look at it this way-I'm voting so that I might have an alternative to voting for Obama. I can't bring myself to vote for any of the other idiots or lunatics your party has in the running-Romney is a privileged corporate jerk, Gingrich is a blowhard, Paul is kind of crazy (but amusing), Perry is not very smart, and so on. Huntsman comes across to me as a genuinely decent human being, which puts him much higher in my opinion than most politicians.

Voting in the GOP primaries worked out well for me in the Michigan Governor's race in 2010. We ended up with a moderate republican for a governor and everyone is pretty much happy with that, except for the extreme right and the unions.