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djones520
01-05-2012, 11:37 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/04/us-usa-military-obama-idUSTRE8031Z020120104


The Obama administration will unveil a "more realistic" vision for the military on Thursday, with plans to cut tens of thousands of ground troops and invest more in air and sea power at a time of fiscal restraint, officials familiar with the plans said on Wednesday.

The strategic review of U.S. security interests will also emphasize an American presence in Asia, with less attention overall to Europe, Africa and Latin America alongside slower growth in the Pentagon's budget, the officials said.

Though specific budget cut and troop reduction figures are not set to be announced on Thursday, officials confirmed to Reuters they would amount to a 10-15 percent decline in Army and Marine Corps numbers over the next decade, translating to tens of thousands of troops.

The most profound shift in the strategic review is an acceptance that the United States, even with the world's largest military budget, cannot afford to maintain the ground troops to fight more than one major war at once. That is a move away from the "win-win" strategy that has dominated Pentagon funding decisions for decades.

The move to a "win-spoil" plan, allowing U.S. forces to fight one campaign and stop or block another conflict, includes a recognition that the White House would need to ramp up public support for further engagement and draw more heavily on reserve and national guard troops when required.



Some may remember that last year Obama was pushing for a bill that was to ensure preferential job hiring for veterans. A coworker of mine saw the writing on the way with that. He said it was a move of Obama's to soften the blow of a huge cut coming down the road.

100,000 military personnel will be facing the axe from this...

Arroyo_Doble
01-05-2012, 11:42 AM
As the line in the old Army cadence goes, "boots cost money, you big dummy."

BadCat
01-05-2012, 12:15 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/04/us-usa-military-obama-idUSTRE8031Z020120104



Some may remember that last year Obama was pushing for a bill that was to ensure preferential job hiring for veterans. A coworker of mine saw the writing on the way with that. He said it was a move of Obama's to soften the blow of a huge cut coming down the road.

100,000 military personnel will be facing the axe from this...

They were going to lose 100000 anyway, due to "can't ask, can tell".

AmPat
01-05-2012, 01:47 PM
Sounds like more DIMoRAT military "expertise." So many wars have been won by drive by (fly by) than by actuall occupying ground. Why there are literally libraries full of historical evidence that support liberal military masterminds such as Dear Leader. We should all be thankful for his magnificent plans and unsurpassed military briliance.:rolleyes:

noonwitch
01-05-2012, 03:04 PM
These are cuts being made over the course of a decade. It's not 10,000 people being let go from their service at once.

Lots of those cuts could be achieved by simply closing our bases in Germany and Japan. Germany successfully reunified without invading their neighbors, the Japanese have been pretty good allies since WWII ended, so maybe it's time to let them develop their own militaries and defend themselves.

djones520
01-05-2012, 03:16 PM
These are cuts being made over the course of a decade. It's not 10,000 people being let go from their service at once.

Lots of those cuts could be achieved by simply closing our bases in Germany and Japan. Germany successfully reunified without invading their neighbors, the Japanese have been pretty good allies since WWII ended, so maybe it's time to let them develop their own militaries and defend themselves.

Firstly, we aren't defending them Noon. We're defending our own interests with our bases in those countries.

Secondly, yeah those cuts do tend to come at once. The AF had to give 3,300 people the axe this year, and I believe it's occuring over a few month period.

And these cuts have much further reaching impacts then just simply propping germany and japan up. Boeing just announced their cutting 2,100 jobs. I wonder why that is?

linda22003
01-05-2012, 03:27 PM
Here is the document, if anyone wants to read it.

http://insidedefense.com/iwpfile.html?file=pdf12%2F01052012_dod.pdf

Molon Labe
01-05-2012, 03:34 PM
This is political spin. He is shoring up his base in fear of losing the election.

It's an election year and he's doing this to win favor with voters. He said the military budget would not shrink. That means he is talking about projected future spending. He probably won't cut much except people in higher tenure and those on their way out anyways.

Obama is a nightmare.

DumbAss Tanker
01-05-2012, 04:02 PM
Noonwitch, the Army was already bracing for a circa-25,000 cut in the next two to four years, this is likely to hit them twice as hard as expected...or worse.

Basically people rather than programs are getting cut, because unionized factories don't build Soldiers, but they do build air and sea systems (Both of which are actually pretty up to date, given how little stress the two wars have put on the actual combat units of the sea and air forces).

I see a re-enactment of Carter and Stansfield Turner hosing up the intelligence business for two decades, when they decided SATINT and SIGINT technology built by defense contractors who contributed to the party coffers rendered all those messy HUMINT sources in Iran redundant, cultivated patiently over decades as they were. Didn't turn out so well.

Arroyo_Doble
01-05-2012, 04:07 PM
This is political spin. He is shoring up his base in fear of losing the election.

I find this unlikely. His "base" is sufficiently shored up.

If anything, this leaves him open to soft-on-defense attacks from political opponents. But even then, he has the rhetorical parry of high value targets taken out.

I believe this is just the natural consequence of winding down two conflicts and the purse-pinch. He really has no choice.

AmPat
01-05-2012, 04:10 PM
These are cuts being made over the course of a decade. It's not 10,000 people being let go from their service at once.

Lots of those cuts could be achieved by simply closing our bases in Germany and Japan. Germany successfully reunified without invading their neighbors, the Japanese have been pretty good allies since WWII ended, so maybe it's time to let them develop their own militaries and defend themselves.

All decent objectives. I know, why don't we just cut everything to the bone and just trust these allies to take up the slack?:rolleyes:

DumbAss Tanker
01-05-2012, 04:21 PM
If anything, this leaves him open to soft-on-defense attacks from political opponents. But even then, he has the rhetorical parry of high value targets taken out.

All done by the legacy force (Strangely, he has yet to thank Bush for building that...weird, huh?), not by the drawn-down force he is asking to create.

Arroyo_Doble
01-05-2012, 06:23 PM
All done by the legacy force (Strangely, he has yet to thank Bush for building that...weird, huh?), not by the drawn-down force he is asking to create.

I am sure his critics will criticize; like RP says, don't be surprised when motherfuckers fuck their mothers.

txradioguy
01-06-2012, 02:01 AM
Firstly, we aren't defending them Noon. We're defending our own interests with our bases in those countries.

Secondly, yeah those cuts do tend to come at once. The AF had to give 3,300 people the axe this year, and I believe it's occuring over a few month period.

And these cuts have much further reaching impacts then just simply propping germany and japan up. Boeing just announced their cutting 2,100 jobs. I wonder why that is?

QFT

txradioguy
01-06-2012, 02:02 AM
Carter...Clinton and now Obama...those that don't learn from history...

Molon Labe
01-06-2012, 09:08 AM
I find this unlikely. His "base" is sufficiently shored up.

If anything, this leaves him open to soft-on-defense attacks from political opponents. But even then, he has the rhetorical parry of high value targets taken out.

I believe this is just the natural consequence of winding down two conflicts and the purse-pinch. He really has no choice.

No it's smoke and mirrors. These are likely "projected" cuts. I'm guessing in 5 years the real budget hasn't really shrunk much. Maybe I'm wrong, but I have a lot of historical precendent to go on.

No.. you see.....many Dems thought falsely this bozo was the "anti war" POTUS and would get us out of Iraq. I know many who are leaving him in droves who were adament on that 1 issue.

From what I gathered he is now going to fight our wars like Clinton did...

From the air. Pathetic. :rolleyes:

You can spend all the money on fansy shmansy tech gadgets...but it doesn't translate to training real people on land tactics. And even I'm for a smaller more agile millitary, but not at the expense of relying on technology over human action.

Rockntractor
01-06-2012, 10:47 AM
motherfuckers fuck their mothers.

This isn't DU and few are impressed, I'm sure your mother would be proud.

Tipsycatlover
01-06-2012, 11:36 AM
Anyone who thinks these cuts are based on anything other than to reduce our effective self defense is delusional. It was a clear message to China and Iran that he intends we be unable to defend ourselves.

Arroyo_Doble
01-06-2012, 11:55 AM
Anyone who thinks these cuts are based on anything other than to reduce our effective self defense is delusional. It was a clear message to China and Iran that he intends we be unable to defend ourselves.

Are they cuts or reductions in the rate of growth?

djones520
01-06-2012, 11:59 AM
Are they cuts or reductions in the rate of growth?

Cuts. Projected DoD Budgets are expected to drop to around 600 billion by 2014. It's not a slow in rate of growth when you end up below were you started.

txradioguy
01-06-2012, 01:50 PM
Are they cuts or reductions in the rate of growth?

Cuts.

Tipsycatlover
01-06-2012, 02:23 PM
Military historians agree that a drastic reduction in our armed forces has always resulted in major conflict. Usually quite soon after the announced cuts.

The signal to our worst enemies, especially Iran who is crazy to begin with, has no forseeable result other than a major conflict. We have signalled weakness with a desire to become weaker still.