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SarasotaRepub
01-14-2012, 10:07 AM
By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 8:27 AM EST, Sat January 14, 2012


Rome (CNN) -- At least three people were killed and scores remain unaccounted for after a cruise ship ran aground near the Italian island of Giglio on Friday night, local emergency officials said Saturday.

Rescue teams worked through the night to evacuate more than 4,000 people from the Costa Concordia, owned by Genoa-based Costa Cruises, after it ran aground off of Italy's western coast.

Giuseppe Orsina, a spokesman for the local civil protection agency, told CNN: "We are verifying the different lists of passengers and staff that have been given to us from Costa and at the moment from 43 to 51 people are missing.

"These people could be still on the island of Giglio, in private houses or in hospitals."



LINK (http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/14/world/europe/italy-cruise-deaths/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

newshutr
01-14-2012, 10:08 AM
Everyone!!!


"A three hour tour...a three hour tour..."

Starbuck
01-14-2012, 10:15 AM
Reports are still coming in, and the investigation not even begun, but I have a sneaky suspicion that something is very wrong here......

The ship probably did not 'go aground', as the reports say. The captain of this type of ship is not casually qualified, and the ship is not casually operated, and almost never ventures even close to sharp reefs and the like. There have been grounding cases, but usually it involves a shifting sand bar.

That leaves a couple of possibilities:
1) They hit a loaded container floating just below the surface. Containers ship lose containers all the time, and they are never recovered. They are hugely heavy, may float for years and have sharp corners.

2) Terrorism.

Personally, I hope they did go aground. Not that I want to see a career seaman go to prison for negligence, it's just that the alternatives are very, very bad.

djones520
01-14-2012, 11:08 AM
Passengers on the ship said that they didn't even go through an evac drill. It was scheduled for today in the cruise.

Sounds to me like this may have been due to negligence if their pulling crap like that.

Kay
01-14-2012, 11:57 AM
1) They hit a loaded container floating just below the surface. Containers ship lose containers all the time, and they are never recovered. They are hugely heavy, may float for years and have sharp corners.

Wow, just think of all the containers floating away from that ship right now that broke up off the coast of New Zeland pictured here: :eek:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/newzealand/9000565/New-Zealand-shipping-warning-as-container-ship-breaks-up.html

namvet
01-14-2012, 12:51 PM
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/14/article-2086527-0F7481AC00000578-381_634x374.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/14/article-2086527-0F74F1B400000578-376_634x361.jpg

she wants to roll. but maybe the water is to shallow

Novaheart
01-14-2012, 01:27 PM
It's 45F there right now. I thought that area was warmer than that.

It's cold and rainy on Mykonos today as well. They don't show those pictures in the brochure. It's always a sun drenched mediterranean landscape with some girl in shorts and espadrilles on a scooter.

Hawkgirl
01-14-2012, 01:36 PM
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/14/article-2086527-0F7481AC00000578-381_634x374.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/14/article-2086527-0F74F1B400000578-376_634x361.jpg

she wants to roll. but maybe the water is to shallow

Holy crap that looks bad!

Rockntractor
01-14-2012, 01:41 PM
Holy crap that looks bad!

Yeah they are not really made to run sideways through the water, it may have been piloted by an economist.:confused:

Hawkgirl
01-14-2012, 01:53 PM
[QUOTE=djones520;474991]Passengers on the ship said that they didn't even go through an evac drill. It was scheduled for today in the cruise.


It's obvious negligence...how can the captain not see a reef or sandbar? Obviously sailing too close to land.

namvet
01-14-2012, 01:56 PM
daBOOwTpYg8

looks like to me she's laying on the rocks

Starbuck
01-14-2012, 02:55 PM
..................It's obvious negligence...how can the captain not see a reef or sandbar? Obviously sailing too close to land.

It probably is going to be negligence in one form or the other. But that particular ship had a 28 foot draught, and obstacles that far under water can't be seen, so the crew is not expected to be able to see them. Even if they did, the ship couldn't be turned or stopped in time. Safety is maintained by knowing exactly where your ship is at all times relative to known obstacles. That's a little trickier than it sounds, but that's the standard.

namvet
01-14-2012, 03:42 PM
they were damned lucky it was that close to shore. out in open she rolls, goes down and takes god knows how many with her

Novaheart
01-14-2012, 04:24 PM
Dateline- Brooklyn 1956 - 51 Italians go missing and no one saw a thing.

Zathras
01-14-2012, 04:29 PM
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/14/article-2086527-0F7481AC00000578-381_634x374.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/14/article-2086527-0F74F1B400000578-376_634x361.jpg

she wants to roll. but maybe the water is to shallow

Looks like to me she's resting on her side aleady.

namvet
01-14-2012, 04:57 PM
reminds me of the Oceanos disaster because the CO and crew took off in the boats and left the passengers to fend for themselves

http://www.benthic.ca/images/reports/31/Stern%20up.jpg

http://www.titanic.com/uploads/newbb/12247_452e3e7e8cedc.jpg

1VNZSO_XEP4

SarasotaRepub
01-14-2012, 07:11 PM
They arrested the Capt. and 1st officer...

namvet
01-14-2012, 08:14 PM
They arrested the Capt. and 1st officer...

and I think charged with manslaughter. Fox reports dozens still missing. the crew tried to keep passengers aboard

Kay
01-14-2012, 09:48 PM
They found two survivors trapped still on the ship.
Just like in The Posiden Adventure. :(

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/9015809/Cruise-disaster-rescue-effort-under-way-for-two-survivors-trapped-on-ship.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Rockntractor
01-14-2012, 09:53 PM
They found two survivors trapped still on the ship.
Just like in The Posiden Adventure. :(

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/9015809/Cruise-disaster-rescue-effort-under-way-for-two-survivors-trapped-on-ship.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

I hope they don't have a song, that Morning After one drove me nutz!:(

Starbuck
01-14-2012, 09:53 PM
and I think charged with manslaughter. Fox reports dozens still missing. the crew tried to keep passengers aboard

When you look at the ship lying on its side in shallow water, staying aboard was the proper procedure.

Maybe there were some people injured by the in rushing water, but there is room enough for everyone above the new waterline. Early reports indicated the captain tried to steer the ship to shore. It certainly looks like he did.

But, man, look at the size of the hole.
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/57885000/jpg/_57885802_013702767-1.jpg

Hawkgirl
01-14-2012, 10:18 PM
It probably is going to be negligence in one form or the other. But that particular ship had a 28 foot draught, and obstacles that far under water can't be seen, so the crew is not expected to be able to see them. Even if they did, the ship couldn't be turned or stopped in time. Safety is maintained by knowing exactly where your ship is at all times relative to known obstacles. That's a little trickier than it sounds, but that's the standard.

I would think they have a radar that can pick up something like a LARGE SANDBAR or REEF. Hell, when I had a boat, my fishfinder could detect a rock...but a large cruise doesn't have sophisticated enough equipment. I think the Captain and the person he left in charge where drinking somewhere.

Hawkgirl
01-14-2012, 10:20 PM
They found two survivors trapped still on the ship.
Just like in The Posiden Adventure. :(

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/9015809/Cruise-disaster-rescue-effort-under-way-for-two-survivors-trapped-on-ship.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
The Poseidon Adventure...one of my all time favorite movies...the original, of course.

Hawkgirl
01-14-2012, 10:51 PM
The Black Box was recovered:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/9015493/Cruise-disaster-Perfect-storm-of-events-caused-Costa-Concordia-crash.html

The recorder contains every detail of what was happening in the computer systems which controlled the 372 million vessel and will be crucial to the forthcoming series of inquiries.
Last night prosecutors arrested both the captain, Francesco Schettino, and the officer who was at the bridge, Ciro Ambrosio. Capt Schettino was socialising at the bar when the vessel hit a rock. He then took command.

Kay
01-14-2012, 11:09 PM
Capt Schettino was socialising at the bar when the vessel hit a rock.
He then took command.

I don't think the Capt of a cruise ship would be expected to be at the helm 24/7.
Part of his PR job would be to schmuze with the passengers at dinner and such.
At least that was how Capt. Stubing ran the Love Boat as I recall.

Starbuck
01-15-2012, 11:06 AM
I don't think the Capt of a cruise ship would be expected to be at the helm 24/7.
Part of his PR job would be to schmuze with the passengers at dinner and such.
At least that was how Capt. Stubing ran the Love Boat as I recall.
You're right.
The Captain doesn't drive the ship. And the ship was not in unfamiliar waters; they cruise this area 52 times a year. Either they hit something that had never been there before, like a container, or the ship wandered off course for some reason.
But the captain is always held responsible, and I'm pretty sure they'll put him on trial.

Lots of interesting and informed comments in the article Hawkgirl linked.

namvet
01-15-2012, 11:09 AM
When you look at the ship lying on its side in shallow water, staying aboard was the proper procedure.

Maybe there were some people injured by the in rushing water, but there is room enough for everyone above the new waterline. Early reports indicated the captain tried to steer the ship to shore. It certainly looks like he did.

But, man, look at the size of the hole.
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/57885000/jpg/_57885802_013702767-1.jpg

no shit. yet it rolled to the other side. be interesting to find out what they hit

txradioguy
01-15-2012, 11:14 AM
no shit. yet it rolled to the other side. be interesting to find out what they hit

Apparently they hit rock.

One of the angles of side that is out of the water looks like it has a big chunk of solid rock lodged in the steel.

txradioguy
01-15-2012, 11:15 AM
The other big question is why did this ship roll like that that and take on that kind of water in an era of ship building when they are designed to NOT do what this one did when they take on water.

namvet
01-15-2012, 11:43 AM
The other big question is why did this ship roll like that that and take on that kind of water in an era of ship building when they are designed to NOT do what this one did when they take on water.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8986/subships0191.jpg

back to the drawing board

Starbuck
01-15-2012, 11:45 AM
The other big question is why did this ship roll like that that and take on that kind of water in an era of ship building when they are designed to NOT do what this one did when they take on water.

If you read Hawkgirls link it will explain why this happens. Basically, the hole and water intake does not cause a sudden list in spite of what was said. It may list a little bit, but not much. And when it runs aground, it will roll over on its side.

Odysseus
01-15-2012, 11:48 AM
The question is, how did they miss this? Ships have sonar in order to prevent collisions with things that they can't see. Somebody should have been monitoring this.

txradioguy
01-15-2012, 11:49 AM
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8986/subships0191.jpg

back to the drawing board

On an entirely unrelated note...could you image how the Mad Mullahs would poop themselves if BB61 came strolling through the Straits of Hormuz right about now? :D

namvet
01-15-2012, 11:51 AM
On an entirely unrelated note...could you image how the Mad Mullahs would poop themselves if BB61 came strolling through the Straits of Hormuz right about now? :D

all you'd see is elbows and assholes in full flight

txradioguy
01-15-2012, 11:54 AM
all you'd see is elbows and assholes in full flight

That's the idea :D

I for one...am in favor of repairing the old girl putting her back to sea and letting he do what she does best.

I don't care how much the Navy touts their new 5" guns on the LCS'...they can't do the psychological damage nor the real damage that one of those 16" guns can.

Ok...thread jack over.

Kay
01-15-2012, 11:56 AM
I just now saw the part where it says the Captain left the boat before the passengers.
He pulled an Ismay. They will hang him out to dry for that.

txradioguy
01-15-2012, 11:59 AM
If you read Hawkgirls link it will explain why this happens. Basically, the hole and water intake does not cause a sudden list in spite of what was said. It may list a little bit, but not much. And when it runs aground, it will roll over on its side.

Ahhh ok

namvet
01-15-2012, 11:59 AM
I just now saw the part where it says the Captain left the boat before the passengers.
He pulled an Ismay. They will hang him out to dry for that.

not uncommon. that's happened before "save MY ass first"

namvet
01-15-2012, 12:02 PM
it may have a cracked or split keel. be interesting to see. I thought these damned ships were double hulled to prevent this. and they're so top heavy its a wonder they keep em on an even keel.

SarasotaRepub
01-15-2012, 07:13 PM
The Costa Concordia's company said in a statement that "there may have been significant human error" on the part of the ship's captain that led to the vessel's grounding Friday and the subsequent deaths of at least five people.


Gee, ya think??? :rolleyes:

namvet
01-15-2012, 07:50 PM
heard on the news tonight the CO could get up to 10 years in the gray bar motel

Hawkgirl
01-16-2012, 06:25 PM
I don't think the Capt of a cruise ship would be expected to be at the helm 24/7.
Part of his PR job would be to schmuze with the passengers at dinner and such.
At least that was how Capt. Stubing ran the Love Boat as I recall.

Right and Wrong.

Yes, a fair amount of time is socializing with guests...but they are still responsible for the ship. The ship was on the wrong side of the island. It is supposed to cruise around the West side, instead it was on the East side, in much shallow water. The captain is responsible.

namvet
01-16-2012, 06:51 PM
fox is reporting the CO was hot dogging to show off to head waiter. head waiter???

also reports the ship may completely sink

Starbuck
01-16-2012, 07:06 PM
I don't know how they could save the ship. If it is lying on the previously undamaged side I think we could assume that side is now holed somehow. Maybe not badly, but it seems like its gotta be open somewhere.

If it is intact, I can see how they could weld plates over the exposed damage, pump her out and tow it.

Whatever, it's gonna be a mess.

Hawkgirl
01-16-2012, 07:21 PM
I don't know how they could save the ship. If it is lying on the previously undamaged side I think we could assume that side is now holed somehow. Maybe not badly, but it seems like its gotta be open somewhere.

If it is intact, I can see how they could weld plates over the exposed damage, pump her out and tow it.

Whatever, it's gonna be a mess.


I'd hate to be the Salvage company in charge of that project.

Hawkgirl
01-16-2012, 07:25 PM
If you read Hawkgirls link it will explain why this happens. Basically, the hole and water intake does not cause a sudden list in spite of what was said. It may list a little bit, but not much. And when it runs aground, it will roll over on its side.

It's not complicated. I read that the ship had to be at a minimum depth of 26' to stay afloat...I belive it ventured into a depth of 20'. Nothing more complicated than shallow water being the cause...the reef was an additional blow.

namvet
01-16-2012, 07:30 PM
I'd hate to be the Salvage company in charge of that project.

you kiddin??? that's a gold mine laying on its side

Hawkgirl
01-16-2012, 07:35 PM
you kiddin??? that's a gold mine laying on its side

Yes, and they are crooks, so perhaps you're right.

Odysseus
01-16-2012, 11:43 PM
you kiddin??? that's a gold mine laying on its side

It is, but it isn't salvage unless it's completely abandoned. As long as one crew member remained on board, it belongs to the cruise line.

namvet
01-16-2012, 11:58 PM
It is, but it isn't salvage unless it's completely abandoned. As long as one crew member remained on board, it belongs to the cruise line.

the rats are leaving as we speak

Odysseus
01-17-2012, 12:23 AM
the rats are leaving as we speak

Yes, but it only takes one rat to stay. If one sailor is smart enough to realize the value to the cruise line, he could write his own ticket by staying aboard when everyone else has abandoned the ship.

Starbuck
01-17-2012, 12:45 AM
I spent 9 years in the navy and served aboard several ships of all sizes. Additionally, I am a licensed bareboat skipper and have chartered several trawlers over the years in addition to owning a 32 foot sailboat for 12 years.

And I can tell you there is no way in hell I would get aboard a ship with 4,000 untrained - and sometimes even immobile - souls! Can you imagine the pandemonium that broke loose when all those untrained, unaccustomed people felt the ship roll and all those unsecured tables and chairs started sliding down hill?:confused:

Odysseus
01-17-2012, 09:01 AM
I spent 9 years in the navy and served aboard several ships of all sizes. Additionally, I am a licensed bareboat skipper and have chartered several trawlers over the years in addition to owning a 32 foot sailboat for 12 years.

And I can tell you there is no way in hell I would get aboard a ship with 4,000 untrained - and sometimes even immobile - souls! Can you imagine the pandemonium that broke loose when all those untrained, unaccustomed people felt the ship roll and all those unsecured tables and chairs started sliding down hill?:confused:

Basically, it's the last hour of Titanic, without the crappy romance subplot.

Bailey
01-17-2012, 09:03 AM
How do you drown when the boat sinks almost on land? Its a shame.:(

linda22003
01-17-2012, 09:27 AM
How do you drown when the boat sinks almost on land? Its a shame.:(

Some people interviewed said they didn't know how to swim (bizarre, I know, but many people don't). There's also a possibility that some were trapped in their cabins or UNDER the ship (90 degree list....). Today they are supposedly pumping air underneath the ship so divers can get under to search; who knows what/who they will find under there. :(

namvet
01-17-2012, 10:00 AM
Yes, but it only takes one rat to stay. If one sailor is smart enough to realize the value to the cruise line, he could write his own ticket by staying aboard when everyone else has abandoned the ship.

and miss happy hour ashore??? not a chance. he's gone

namvet
01-17-2012, 10:03 AM
Basically, it's the last hour of Titanic, without the crappy romance subplot.

agreed

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/1168/0bamasealix2.jpg

noonwitch
01-17-2012, 10:27 AM
I'm just glad that my dad and his wife took their cruise before Christmas. I don't know which cruise line they use, but they usually take the Med cruise along the coasts of Italy, Monaco and the French Riviera.

I hate flying on planes, but I would rather take a flight somewhere than a cruise. Although, in this case, even with 45 degree water, I probably could have swum to shore. I'm a pretty strong swimmer at this point, and I've been in some pretty cold water over the years-Lake Michigan in the spring, Jackson Lake in the Tetons, etc.

SarasotaRepub
01-17-2012, 11:24 AM
11 dead now. (http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/17/world/europe/italy-cruise-main/index.html?hpt=hp_t1) :(

linda22003
01-17-2012, 11:34 AM
The market is up well over a hundred points this morning but Carnival Cruise Lines is down 13%....

linda22003
01-17-2012, 11:53 AM
11 dead now. (http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/17/world/europe/italy-cruise-main/index.html?hpt=hp_t1) :(

From the stories I've scanned it sounds like they were found inside the ship, but I'm not sure. :(

Starbuck
01-17-2012, 12:22 PM
Sounds like the captain was in a terrified blind panic. He was afraid to go back even when ordered to by the Italian Coast Guard.

"You go on board and then you will tell me how many people there are. Is that clear?" De Falco shouted in the audio tape.

Schettino resisted, saying the ship was tipping and that it was dark. At the time, he was in a lifeboat and said he was coordinating the rescue from there.

De Falco shouted back: "And so what? You want go home, Schettino? It is dark and you want to go home? Get on that prow of the boat using the pilot ladder and tell me what can be done, how many people there are and what their needs are. Now!"

"You go aboard. It is an order. Don't make any more excuses. You have declared the abandoning of the ship, now I am in charge," De Falco shouted.

Schettino is finally heard agreeing to reboard. It is unclear whether he did.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/16/missing-raised-to-2-in-italian-cruise-disaster/#ixzz1jjUvFwQU

The American Coast Guard can declare your voyage 'manifestly unsafe', and order you to abandon ship, so I am be pretty sure that they could order the captain back on board in order to take charge.

Captains of these types of ships are chosen for a variety of reasons including his ability to schmooze with passengers, understand several languages, and maneuver his way up a corporate ladder. Mettle, unfortunately, cannot be tested except under fire. He failed the only test he will ever get.

Teetop
01-17-2012, 01:48 PM
The Italians are pissed! (Who can blame them.) They are calling the Capt., Captain Coward....they even set up a facebook page to leave angry comments for the fool. I don't remember what web site I read this on, maybe a UK site? :confused:

Hawkgirl
01-17-2012, 06:01 PM
The Italians are pissed! (Who can blame them.) They are calling the Capt., Captain Coward....they even set up a facebook page to leave angry comments for the fool. I don't remember what web site I read this on, maybe a UK site? :confused:

Yes they are...the transcript left out all the cuss words...My parents have the Italian satellite station and the Captain was ripped apart by the Coast Guard...

Starbuck
01-17-2012, 06:31 PM
Transcripts and excerpts of the conversation between the Coast Guard officer and the captain are being released everywhere.

There can no longer be any doubt about it. The captain is a Democrat. His policies didn't work out for him so he abandoned ship.:D

Starbuck
01-17-2012, 06:55 PM
I guess this is a good place for the story of Linda Morgan. Linda was a 14 year old passenger on the Andrea Doria, which collided with the Stockholm in 1956. Somehow Linda survived the impact (A T- Bone) between the two ocean liners and was tossed from Andrea Doria to Stockholm, albeit with a crushed arm.

In the ensuing confusion no one could figure out who she was for a while, but they got it straight and got her all fixed up. Later, she married and her husband was once mayor of San Antonio, TX.

I dunno from miracles, but it is a nice survivor's story.:)

As far as I know Linda is still alive today.

There will be similar stories from Costa Concordia....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Morgan

Hawkgirl
01-17-2012, 07:27 PM
I just listened to the telephone recording with DiFazio and the Captain Schettino..DiFazio was concerned about the people and wanted to know how many babies and children were onboard that needed help. Schettino was being uncooperative while DiFazio wanted him to return to the ship. They argued for an hour while DiFazio kept telling him to board the ship and to find out how many people needed help...He finally just said "Go board your ship" and hung up. They are going to make an example out of this "captain".

The count as of today are 11 dead but they believe there are more people trapped.

namvet
01-17-2012, 08:21 PM
CO ordered back aboard but refuses

video slides

link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/17/costa-concordia-cruise-ship-audio-francesco-schettino_n_1210920.html?icid=maing-grid10%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D128337)

Odysseus
01-17-2012, 08:59 PM
Transcripts and excerpts of the conversation between the Coast Guard officer and the captain are being released everywhere.

There can no longer be any doubt about it. The captain is a Democrat. His policies didn't work out for him so he abandoned ship.:D

Did he blame Bush for the sinking?

Starbuck
01-18-2012, 01:04 AM
Did he blame Bush for the sinking?
No. Rock.

:D:D:D

Rockntractor
01-18-2012, 01:07 AM
No. Rock.

:D:D:D

I'm innocent, I ate all the cookies but I didn't sink the ship!:eek:

AmPat
01-18-2012, 09:57 AM
[QUOTE=djones520;474991]Passengers on the ship said that they didn't even go through an evac drill. It was scheduled for today in the cruise.


It's obvious negligence...how can the captain not see a reef or sandbar? Obviously sailing too close to land.

I immediately thought the same. The CPT or whoever was piloting at the time should not have been this close. He will have a hard time explaining this satisfactorily. I heard yesterday that the Brave Sir Robin ran away like the Greek crew a few years ago.

These Captains have a bad track record on courage.

namvet
01-18-2012, 10:11 AM
list of missing:


PASSENGERS:

Dayana Arlotti, Italy
William M. Arlotti, Italy
Elisabeth Bauer, Germany
Michael M. Blemand, France
Maria Dintrono, Italy
Horst Galle, Germany
Jeanne Gannard, France
Christina Mathi Ganz, Germany
Norbert Josef Ganz, Germany
Gertrud Goergens, Germany
Pierre Gregoire, France
Gabriele Grube, Germany
Barbara Heil, United States
Gerald Heil, United States
Egon Hoer, Germany
Mylene Litzler, France
Margarethe Neth, Germany
Inge Schall, Germany
Siglinde Stumpf, Germany
Brunhild Werp, Germany
Josef Werp, Germany
Margrit Schroeter, Germany
Maria Grazia Trecarichi, Italy
Luisa Antonia Virzi, Italy

CREW

Sandor Feher, Hungary
Girolamo Giuseppe, Italy
Russel Terence Rebello, India
Erika Fani Soriamolina, Peru



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/18/list-missing-italy-cruise-ship-passengers-crew/#ixzz1joqaUldF

Odysseus
01-18-2012, 12:01 PM
From NRO:


‘Dude, Where’s My Lifeboat?’
In the Italian cruise-ship disaster, another death knell for the age of chivalry.
By Rich Lowry

Rich Lowry When they make the movie about the Costa Concordia, the cruise ship that grounded off the coast of Tuscany, there won’t be romantic tales about its captain. Italian authorities immediately arrested him on suspicions of manslaughter and abandoning ship prematurely. He might have been the skipper of the ill-fated vessel in all senses of the word.

A century ago this spring, as the Titanic entered its death throes and all its lifeboats had been launched, Capt. Edward Smith told his crew: “Men, you have done your full duty. You can do no more. Now it’s every man for himself.” One witness recalled seeing him, probably washed overboard, clutching a child in the water as the Titanic disappeared. A member of the crew always believed it was Captain Smith’s voice he heard from the water after the Titanic was gone, urging him and others on: “Good boys! Good lads!”

“Every man for himself” is a phrase associated with the deadly Costa Concordia disaster, but not as a last-minute expedient. It appears to have been the natural order of things. In the words of one newspaper account, “An Australian mother and her young daughter have described being pushed aside by hysterical men as they tried to board lifeboats.” If the men of the Titanic had lived to read such a thing, they would have recoiled in shame. The Titanic’s crew surely would have thought the hysterics deserved to be shot on sight — and would have volunteered to perform the service.

Women and children were given priority in theory, but not necessarily in practice. The Australian mother said of the scene, “We just couldn’t believe it — especially the men, they were worse than the women.” Another woman passenger agreed, “There were big men, crew members, pushing their way past us to get into the lifeboats.” Yet another, a grandmother, complained, “I was standing by the lifeboats and men, big men, were banging into me and knocking the girls.”

Guys aboard the Costa Concordia apparently made sure the age of chivalry was good and dead by pushing it over and trampling on it in their heedless rush for the exits. The grounded cruise ship has its heroes, of course, just as the Titanic had its cowards. But the discipline of the Titanic’s crew and the self-enforced chivalric ethic that prevailed among its men largely trumped the natural urge toward panicked self-preservation.

Women and children went first, and once the urgency of the situation became clear, breaches weren’t tolerated. The crew fired warning shots to keep men from rushing the lifeboats. In an instance Daniel Allen Butler recounts in his book, “Unsinkable,” a male passenger trying to make it on one lifeboat was rebuffed and then beaten for his offense.

The survivor statistics tell the tale. More women from third class — deep in the bowels of the ship, where it was hard to escape and instructions were vague or nonexistent — survived than men from first class. Almost all of the women from first class (97 percent) and second class (84 percent) made it. As Butler notes, the men from first class who were lost stayed behind voluntarily, true to their Edwardian ideals.

They can look faintly ridiculous from our vantage point. Benjamin Guggenheim changed into his evening clothes that night: “We’ve dressed in our best and are prepared to go down like gentlemen.” Whom would you rather have around your wife or daughter, though, when there is only one slot left on the lifeboat? Old Guggenheim in his white tie and tails, or the contemporary slob in his Bermuda shorts and flip-flops?

The Titanic went down, they say, to the strains of the hymn “Nearer, My God, to Thee,” as the band courageously played on. It lent a final grace note to the tragedy. Today, we don’t do grace notes. We’ve gone from “Women and children, first,” to “Dude, where’s my lifeboat?” As the women of the Costa Concordia can testify, that’s a long way down.

— Rich Lowry is the editor of National Review. He can be reached via e-mail: comments.lowry@nationalreview.com. 2011 by King Features Syndicate

Hawkgirl
01-18-2012, 01:31 PM
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I immediately thought the same. The CPT or whoever was piloting at the time should not have been this close. He will have a hard time explaining this satisfactorily. I heard yesterday that the Brave Sir Robin ran away like the Greek crew a few years ago.

These Captains have a bad track record on courage.

The alleged reason they were sailing too close to the island is so that the captain's head waiter could wave to his family. There were posts on facebook from the waiter's sister claiming the captain would do a salute. Utter stupidity and negligence.