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SarasotaRepub
01-15-2012, 10:21 AM
:woot: UGP is back!!! (http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002170523) And she gets her furry ass handed to her.




Sat Jan 14, 2012, 11:41 PM
undergroundpanther


Just a few thoughts about resistance


When I think of the OWS protests and the cops abusing them,they were tolerating unlawful arrest.

Some of these cases would have been useful I think.

“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed.”

“An arrest made with a defective warrant, or one issued without affidavit, or one that fails to allege a crime is within jurisdiction, and one who is being arrested, may resist arrest and break away. lf the arresting officer is killed by one who is so resisting, the killing will be no more than an involuntary manslaughter.” Housh v. People, 75 111. 491; reaffirmed and quoted in State v. Leach, 7 Conn. 452; State v. Gleason, 32 Kan. 245; Ballard v. State, 43 Ohio 349; State v Rousseau, 241 P. 2d 447; State v. Spaulding, 34 Minn. 3621.

“When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justified.” Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80; Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.

“These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence.” Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.

“An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery.” (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).


http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/defunlaw.htm



BAD Kitty!!!!




Response to undergroundpanther (Original post)
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 12:10 AM
Saving Hawaii

4. Go chew on some valium please.



When I think of the OWS protests and the cops abusing them,they were tolerating unlawful arrest. Some of these cases would have been useful I think.

“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.”
Look... I'm all for protesting unlawful arrests. That's absolute bullshit. I was a little disappointed when OWS transformed from inequality to fuck the pigs, we've got much bigger fish to fry than that, but... Well, you know the first thing I heard when I got involved with OWS. And it got repeated again and again. Violent protest is doomed to failure. If you want to win, take your knocks and wear them as a badge of honor. Fighting the police accomplishes absolutely nothing. Please tell me if you think you're going to win an argument by murdering the father of two children or whatever.



:popcorn:

FDK
01-15-2012, 02:33 PM
Nice find. UGP hit that one out of the park on the stooped scale. :D

JB
01-15-2012, 03:20 PM
I only have one thought about resistance. It is futile.

JB
01-15-2012, 03:26 PM
pocoloco

1. You trying to get someone severly fucked up??LMAO.

DU Post of the Week.

Novaheart
01-15-2012, 03:29 PM
Nice find. UGP hit that one out of the park on the stooped scale. :D

UGP appears to be parroting Uhuru dogma. The African Peoples Democratic Uhuru Party, a wing of the African Socialist Party and a whole lot of other Free Mumia bullshit centered in St Petersburg, Philadelphia, and Oakland promote the "You have a right to resist police occupation and oppression." meme.

Novaheart
01-15-2012, 03:33 PM
“Shepard said, ‘Among other things, the bullet not the ballot is the best way for the black man in America to gain power.’”

On January 24, 2011, MSNBC ran a story stating that “Police fear ‘war on cops,’” after a 24-hour period in which 11 police officers were shot in cities around the US, including in the states of Washington, Oregon and Indiana, as well in Detroit, MI, and Miami and St Petersburg, FL.

A month later in St Petersburg, a 16-year-old African high school student, Nick Lindsey, allegedly shot another police officer to death on Feb. 21, the anniversary of the assassination of Malcolm X by the US government.

Following the killing of the cop in February, the African community of St Petersburg was put under a military occupation. This collective punishment involved armored vehicles, tanks, helicopters and federal police forces wielding assault weapons while carrying out car-to-car and house-to-house searches over a 33-block stretch of south St. Petersburg.
It was the kind of operation reserved for the black community. We would not have seen this mass lockdown on the white north side of the city.

Needless to say, telling the truth is not one of Omali Yeshital's or Penny Hess's strong points. The "African (black) community" was not put on lockdown during the Hydra Lacy standoff, several blocks were put on lockdown because Omali Yeshitela would be stupid and careless enough to call a riot in the middle of something like that. The police also locked down Thurgood Marshall Middle School to keep the kids in and the creeps out.

http://uhurusolidarity.blogspot.com/2011/03/african-people-have-right-to-resist-us.html

African People have a Right to Resist! US government waging full-scale counterinsurgency in African communities!

Penny Hess is a walking talking piece of shit, and given the opportunity I would follow her around telling her so. But she stays pretty much on the inside of this bunch of idiots, and no longer tries to put out her BS in the company of thinking people. For awhile, the Quakers and other old hippies were hosting and harboring this bunch, but after yeshitela called the cop killers "heros" even the hippies have distanced themselves from the Uhuru.

Dan D. Doty
01-15-2012, 04:03 PM
UGP is at it again.

I don't think this so much about OWS then it is about UGP personal life.

I remember that UGP called her counselor ( on his day off of course :rolleyes:) telling him she is now cutting herself. Councilor calls the cops telling them that UGP has become a danger to herself ( and maybe others).
Cops come to UGP house and try to take her to the hospital, UGP decides to she doesn't want to go.

Cops restrain her and take her to mental ward of the hospital; UGP is pissed off at Cops, the hospital and her own counselor, all because she had play drama queen that day and needed an audience. Now she looking for an excuse to hurt, or even kill the cops when they come to take her back to funny farm.

UGP has now embraced her insanity with fury and passion, and will do whatever it takes to keep it from being cured.

Wonder how long it will take before we hear that UGP has hurt, or even killed someone; and the sad part is DU only encouraged her insainty every time she posted.

SarasotaRepub
01-15-2012, 04:16 PM
“Shepard said, ‘Among other things, the bullet not the ballot is the best way for the black man in America to gain power.’”

On January 24, 2011, MSNBC ran a story stating that “Police fear ‘war on cops,’” after a 24-hour period in which 11 police officers were shot in cities around the US, including in the states of Washington, Oregon and Indiana, as well in Detroit, MI, and Miami and St Petersburg, FL.

A month later in St Petersburg, a 16-year-old African high school student, Nick Lindsey, allegedly shot another police officer to death on Feb. 21, the anniversary of the assassination of Malcolm X by the US government.

Following the killing of the cop in February, the African community of St Petersburg was put under a military occupation. This collective punishment involved armored vehicles, tanks, helicopters and federal police forces wielding assault weapons while carrying out car-to-car and house-to-house searches over a 33-block stretch of south St. Petersburg.
It was the kind of operation reserved for the black community. We would not have seen this mass lockdown on the white north side of the city.

Needless to say, telling the truth is not one of Omali Yeshital's or Penny Hess's strong points. The "African (black) community" was not put on lockdown during the Hydra Lacy standoff, several blocks were put on lockdown because Omali Yeshitela would be stupid and careless enough to call a riot in the middle of something like that. The police also locked down Thurgood Marshall Middle School to keep the kids in and the creeps out.

http://uhurusolidarity.blogspot.com/2011/03/african-people-have-right-to-resist-us.html

African People have a Right to Resist! US government waging full-scale counterinsurgency in African communities!

Penny Hess is a walking talking piece of shit, and given the opportunity I would follow her around telling her so. But she stays pretty much on the inside of this bunch of idiots, and no longer tries to put out her BS in the company of thinking people. For awhile, the Quakers and other old hippies were hosting and harboring this bunch, but after yeshitela called the cop killers "heros" even the hippies have distanced themselves from the Uhuru.

Yeah I remember that group of scum. They were rioting in the streets of St. Pete right after I moved here in 97 or 98...

DumbAss Tanker
01-15-2012, 09:31 PM
There certainly are real cases as UGP cites that uphold the right of self-defense against police. What the subway kitty omits is that the cases all involve truly rare situations where the cop was maniacally out of control or failed to ID himself, the citizen was in genuine fear of his life, there was no possibility of retreat or rescue, and most importantly the judge or jury bought all those facts.

The way UGP presents it is more of a primer for suicide-by-cop. Not that that's a bad thing where DUers are concerned, but it would ruin the career and in many cases the psyches of some perfectly fine and upstanding policemen and policewomen.

NJCardFan
01-16-2012, 12:10 AM
“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.”
I hope they realize that this type of attitude is usually met with ill humor...and a 2 9mm bullets into their center mass.

Elspeth
01-16-2012, 01:06 AM
So, if you support Hillary Clinton or have legitimate complaints about Obamacare, you get kicked off of DU.

If you encourage violence and murder against the police, you get to be an eternal DU poster.

Wonder what PR company is consulting with Skinner & Co. :rolleyes: