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RedGrouse
01-28-2012, 08:08 PM
Low IQ behind some conservative beliefs
http://blog.sfgate.com/hottopics/2012/01/27/low-iq-behind-some-conservative-beliefs/

I call BS on this one. I question the study.

Rockntractor
01-28-2012, 08:58 PM
You have to be a little slow to go to work everyday, pay more taxes and feed and pay for medical expenses for these liberal pieces of crap!:rolleyes:

fettpett
01-28-2012, 09:07 PM
I read it yesterday, the problem is this idiot writer equates prejudice with racism, they are not the same thing. A racist is prejudice, but someone who's prejudice just are more discriminate in who they deal with. Hell we all pre-judge people and situations all the time.

namvet
01-28-2012, 09:41 PM
consider the source. then ignore it

Retread
01-28-2012, 11:57 PM
I think it's hilarious - ever see the vid of the gal standing on the trash can waiting on the little o to come pay her bills? Tell me a more lowly educated, low IQ individual....
And she's as liberal as they come - and still a racist.

Novaheart
01-29-2012, 02:42 AM
Low IQ behind some conservative beliefs
http://blog.sfgate.com/hottopics/2012/01/27/low-iq-behind-some-conservative-beliefs/

I call BS on this one. I question the study.

Without seeing the actual questions on the social issues, it's impossible to form an opinion of the study. There are people in academia who consider crime statistics and projections to be racist. There are people in academia who think that black people can't be racist. I can give you a laundry list of stupid, and/or crazy and/or dishonest people with MD's and PhD's.

However, anyone who thinks the world was created in six solar days six-thousand years ago is on the fast track to being labelled a moron.

Rockntractor
01-29-2012, 02:45 AM
Without seeing the actual questions on the social issues, it's impossible to form an opinion of the study. There are people in academia who consider crime statistics and projections to be racist. There are people in academia who think that black people can't be racist. I can give you a laundry list of stupid, and/or crazy and/or dishonest people with MD's and PhD's.

However, anyone who thinks the world was created in six solar days six-thousand years ago is on the fast track to being labelled a moron.

Exactly how old is the earth? Give me an exact proven number, not a theory.

Novaheart
01-29-2012, 03:09 AM
Exactly how old is the earth? Give me an exact proven number, not a theory.

That isn't pertinent.

AmPat
01-29-2012, 01:20 PM
That isn't pertinent.

What is "pertinent?"

How about the idea that people who believe in a Lord of all that will judge you after death, have a moral compass that regulates them on this life? These people don't need cops looking over their shoulders or massive regulations to do what's right. People who believe that death is simply lights out and nothingness have nothing to fear so they have no restraint when the law isn't standing over top of them.

Even if Christians are wrong, at least they live a good life. If the others are wrong, it's much worse for them.

Wei Wu Wei
01-29-2012, 01:31 PM
consider the source. then ignore it

The source of the story is http://www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conservatism-racism.html (LiveScience)

The source of the paper in question is the journal Psychological Science.

The author is Dr. Gordon Hodson at Brock University



You shouldn't draw conclusions because a san fransisco paper re-prints the story.

Wei Wu Wei
01-29-2012, 01:33 PM
Exactly how old is the earth? Give me an exact proven number, not a theory.

If a middle-aged man with no birth documents comes to you, you can do tests and analyses to determine his approximate age with some relatively small margin of error. However if someone insisted with 100% certainty that this man hatched from an egg two weeks ago, they would be laughed out of the room.

namvet
01-29-2012, 01:38 PM
The source of the story is http://www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conservatism-racism.html (LiveScience)

The source of the paper in question is the journal Psychological Science.

The author is Dr. Gordon Hodson at Brock University



You shouldn't draw conclusions because a san fransisco paper re-prints the story.

your source brings up the "intranet" then I get an attack warning from my security software. thank you NO !!!!

and SF papers will print and reprint anything liberal.

Rockntractor
01-29-2012, 01:41 PM
If a middle-aged man with no birth documents comes to you, you can do tests and analyses to determine his approximate age with some relatively small margin of error. However if someone insisted with 100% certainty that this man hatched from an egg two weeks ago, they would be laughed out of the room.

He would not come to me, I'm not a doctor!
Are you nutz!:rolleyes:

txradioguy
01-29-2012, 01:46 PM
All anyone has to do is take a look at what is posted on DU and what passes for "journalism" on the MSM to know that this story is a bunch of stereotypical crap.

Or better yet just read some of Wee Wee and Lanies idiotic posts.

NJCardFan
01-29-2012, 01:50 PM
Yeah, low IQ behind conservatism. Um....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8

Yeah, some real brainiacs in these groups.

Wei Wu Wei
01-29-2012, 02:04 PM
He would not come to me, I'm not a doctor!
Are you nutz!:rolleyes:

But some people who are not doctors would stand next to the doctor and insist that the doctor doesn't know what they are talking about

Novaheart
01-29-2012, 02:05 PM
What is "pertinent?"

One can know that the Queen is considerably older than 25 without knowing her exact age. The earth is inarguably older than 6,000 years. 6,000 years ago isn't all that long. The year 5772 in the Jewish calendar was calculated in modern times using the generations and events in the Bible; which required considerable speculation on the length of generations given that some in the Bible supposedly lived multiple centuries.

What is pertinent to the discussion is not the exact age of the earth, but that it wasn't created in six solar days about 6000 years ago by the whim of a god.




How about the idea that people who believe in a Lord of all that will judge you after death, have a moral compass that regulates them on this life?

Are you edging toward cafeteria Judaism/Christianity/Islam? You wouldn't be alone. Many people accept the implausibility of a literal read of Creation and pretty much accept that Noah's flood didn't happen as described- and yet fiercely defend all the fear mongering, shame, and other aspects of primitive government one finds in the Bible.

If your moral compass comes from that book and your fear of a sky monster, then you have no moral compass- you have fear of punishment. Morality is doing what is right because it is right, not because you expect to be rewarded for it or punished for doing otherwise.

Which is not to say that the Bible has no value or that it shouldn't be used in a classroom. It's a wonderful collection of folk history, folklore, mythology, ballads, and pornography. What it isn't, is a reference book.


These people don't need cops looking over their shoulders or massive regulations to do what's right.

The prisons of Europe and the Americas are full of devout Christians, Muslims, and Jews. Perhaps we should research their proportion and see how they stack up to Buddhists and other Atheists?



People who believe that death is simply lights out and nothingness have nothing to fear so they have no restraint when the law isn't standing over top of them.

Who told you that? The prisons of the US are disproportionately filled with people raised in evangelical pentecostal charismatic shouting loud and rolling on the floor protestant churches led by fire breathing "pastors" bellowing fear and shame every Sunday morning. Some of these people never missed a Sunday church service until the morning after they robbed the liquor store and carjacked the Benningtons.



Even if Christians are wrong, at least they live a good life. If the others are wrong, it's much worse for them.

Again, you choose to compare the best case scenario of that which you consider yourself to represent and the worst case scenario of that which you condemn. You are, in short, not having an honest discussion with yourself or me.

Novaheart
01-29-2012, 02:10 PM
If a middle-aged man with no birth documents comes to you, you can do tests and analyses to determine his approximate age with some relatively small margin of error. However if someone insisted with 100% certainty that this man hatched from an egg two weeks ago, they would be laughed out of the room.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_gIUw4MulKY8/TB1NFzVaSVI/AAAAAAAAAD8/x36eTxDy0Ks/s1600/DL+and+bush.jpg

Rockntractor
01-29-2012, 02:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNZczIgVXjg&feature=player_embedded

Novaheart
01-29-2012, 02:14 PM
Yeah, low IQ behind conservatism. Um....


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Yeah, some real brainiacs in these groups.

Do you have any doubt that one could stand outside Georgia Tech or the Citadel with a video camera and tape enough candid encounters to make either institution appear populated by idiots?

Rockntractor
01-29-2012, 03:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtiVP-E2eFI

Rockntractor
01-29-2012, 03:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9ZoKfYCNlM

AmPat
01-29-2012, 06:29 PM
One can know that the Queen is considerably older than 25 without knowing her exact age. The earth is inarguably older than 6,000 years. 6,000 years ago isn't all that long. The year 5772 in the Jewish calendar was calculated in modern times using the generations and events in the Bible; which required considerable speculation on the length of generations given that some in the Bible supposedly lived multiple centuries.

What is pertinent to the discussion is not the exact age of the earth, but that it wasn't created in six solar days about 6000 years ago by the whim of a god.

A thousand years to man is but a day to an infinite God. The Bible uses MANY forms of written expressions to convey truth.


Are you edging toward cafeteria Judaism/Christianity/Islam? You wouldn't be alone. Many people accept the implausibility of a literal read of Creation and pretty much accept that Noah's flood didn't happen as described- and yet fiercely defend all the fear mongering, shame, and other aspects of primitive government one finds in the Bible.
I'm not edging toward any of your labels. I practice and adhere to the truths I read in the Bible as best I can and within my ability to understand those truths. I do not attempt to change God's truth with a few equivocations and excuses or some vain and useless attempt of using man's logic against an almighty God.

If your moral compass comes from that book and your fear of a sky monster, then you have no moral compass- you have fear of punishment. Morality is doing what is right because it is right, not because you expect to be rewarded for it or punished for doing otherwise. And that is what I do. I believe in an almighty God and I follow him. You may eat all the fear you project on me as I have no fear.
You'll have to ask your fellow liberal followers what compass they follow, it certainly isn't moral.

Which is not to say that the Bible has no value or that it shouldn't be used in a classroom. It's a wonderful collection of folk history, folklore, mythology, ballads, and pornography. What it isn't, is a reference book.
Read on fool (God's words, not mine). The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God."Ps 14:1. Maybe you should read Job 12:2 while you're at it.


The prisons of Europe and the Americas are full of devout Christians, Muslims, and Jews. Perhaps we should research their proportion and see how they stack up to Buddhists and other Atheists?
That is a common mistake that many of Hell's future residents make. Simply calling oneself a Christian doesn't make you one any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. Being a Christian isn't a birthright. You cannot inherit it or get it by proxy. You must make that decision to make Him, Jesus Christ, Lord and Savior. Notice that Lord comes before Savior? God has no Grandchildren. Everybody must come to Him on His terms. You may seek those terms in the halls of academia or through useless logic, I'll stick with the Bible.


Who told you that? The prisons of the US are disproportionately filled with people raised in evangelical pentecostal charismatic shouting loud and rolling on the floor protestant churches led by fire breathing "pastors" bellowing fear and shame every Sunday morning. Some of these people never missed a Sunday church service until the morning after they robbed the liquor store and carjacked the Benningtons.
Source? proof? Oh, I see, you pulled that too out of your stink hole.:rolleyes:



Again, you choose to compare the best case scenario of that which you consider yourself to represent and the worst case scenario of that which you condemn. You are, in short, not having an honest discussion with yourself or me.As opposed to Mr Honesty yourself? :rolleyes:
You may choose your God from any idol you choose. I really don't care. You have been exposed to The Way, The Truth, and The Life. Your decision is now yours. I'm not arguing from any discussion, no matter how "honest or dishonest you choose to label it. My opinion is found verbatim in the Bible you choose to ridicule and dismiss.

Lager
01-29-2012, 08:04 PM
You're missing the whole point, Nova. When people choose to follow a religious path, the reasons are not for the little details in religious texts, such as one particular explanation for the creation of the Universe. Suppose that someone realizes that humans are flawed creatures, prone to weakness and self doubt and all sorts of petty actions toward their fellow man. If they recognize that a core set of beliefs and concepts can help them focus on the path towards self discovery and fulfillment, then perhaps that shows wisdom. Your belief that religion is simply cowardly and ignorant superstition shows a lack of knowledge in itself. For example, it's obvious that Romney must have some intelligence to end up as wealthy as he is, even though some of the teachings of Mormonism might seem batshit crazy to many people.

NJCardFan
01-30-2012, 01:05 AM
Do you have any doubt that one could stand outside Georgia Tech or the Citadel with a video camera and tape enough candid encounters to make either institution appear populated by idiots?

I take it the video that Rock posted by the brainiac congressman was doctored as well?:rolleyes:

MrsSmith
01-30-2012, 11:10 AM
The source of the story is http://www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conservatism-racism.html (LiveScience)

The source of the paper in question is the journal Psychological Science.

The author is Dr. Gordon Hodson at Brock University



You shouldn't draw conclusions because a san fransisco paper re-prints the story.

Dr Gordon Hodson is quite obviously a bigot. In his own words:
My primary research interests examine intergroup processes related to prejudice, stereotyping, and discrimination. In particular, I am interested in: (a) subtle expressions of prejudice, such as aversive racism; (b) individual differences in prejudice, such as social dominance orientation and right-wing authoritarianism; (c) resistance to immigrants and immigration; (d) perceived group threat; (e) intergroup emotions, such as disgust and anxiety; (e) outgroup dehumanization; and (f) the benefits of intergroup contact and cross-group friendship for prejudice reduction.

When you start with a prejudiced and biased viewpoint, it doesn't take much to skew data to present the picture you want to show. Hodson's research starts on a blatantly leftist foundaton.

AmPat
01-30-2012, 11:13 AM
I take it the video that Rock posted by the brainiac congressman was doctored as well?:rolleyes:

Any VID of Hank Johnson or Cynthia McKinney should be proof enough of liberal idiots and low IQ.

MrsSmith
01-30-2012, 11:13 AM
One can know that the Queen is considerably older than 25 without knowing her exact age. The earth is inarguably older than 6,000 years. 6,000 years ago isn't all that long. The year 5772 in the Jewish calendar was calculated in modern times using the generations and events in the Bible; which required considerable speculation on the length of generations given that some in the Bible supposedly lived multiple centuries.

What is pertinent to the discussion is not the exact age of the earth, but that it wasn't created in six solar days about 6000 years ago by the whim of a god.



Are you edging toward cafeteria Judaism/Christianity/Islam? You wouldn't be alone. Many people accept the implausibility of a literal read of Creation and pretty much accept that Noah's flood didn't happen as described- and yet fiercely defend all the fear mongering, shame, and other aspects of primitive government one finds in the Bible.

If your moral compass comes from that book and your fear of a sky monster, then you have no moral compass- you have fear of punishment. Morality is doing what is right because it is right, not because you expect to be rewarded for it or punished for doing otherwise.

Which is not to say that the Bible has no value or that it shouldn't be used in a classroom. It's a wonderful collection of folk history, folklore, mythology, ballads, and pornography. What it isn't, is a reference book.



The prisons of Europe and the Americas are full of devout Christians, Muslims, and Jews. Perhaps we should research their proportion and see how they stack up to Buddhists and other Atheists?



Who told you that? The prisons of the US are disproportionately filled with people raised in evangelical pentecostal charismatic shouting loud and rolling on the floor protestant churches led by fire breathing "pastors" bellowing fear and shame every Sunday morning. Some of these people never missed a Sunday church service until the morning after they robbed the liquor store and carjacked the Benningtons.



Again, you choose to compare the best case scenario of that which you consider yourself to represent and the worst case scenario of that which you condemn. You are, in short, not having an honest discussion with yourself or me.

Let us not forget that those who deny God must therefore have faith in the idea that life arose from dead material, that RNA and DNA and the working cell all came about with no supernatural help, and that the chaos of unrestrained mutations somehow created the rational order we see today. It takes far more faith to believe man's fairy tales than to believe the only eyewitness to the Creation. ;)

AmPat
01-30-2012, 12:04 PM
Let us not forget that those who deny God must therefore have faith in the idea that life arose from dead material, that RNA and DNA and the working cell all came about with no supernatural help, and that the chaos of unrestrained mutations somehow created the rational order we see today. It takes far more faith to believe man's fairy tales than to believe the only eyewitness to the Creation. ;)

Once upon a time, a man who came from nothingness and chaos, came across a large field filled with boxes and boxes of parts. The parts were pristine and in good working order. The man who came from nothingness and chaos decided to start assembling the parts. He found in one box a nice set of tools and finely calibrated wrenches and measuring devices. He set about assembling the boxes and one day, Wallah! He had assembled a Boeing 747 Jetliner.

The man never questioned how he had the intellect or knowledge to assemble the strange contraption. Indeed, he never questioned how the parts came to be there in the first place. He assumed that the parts just evolved over the years and migrated to this very field and somehow were placed in the boxes over a huge expanse of time. He just assumed that he had the innate intelligence to assemble the strange looking contraption correctly. He never questioned the underlying intelligence that it took to make the thousands of highly technological parts. He never imagined a master plan that allowed for such a masterpiece to be assembled.

His one unanswered and apparently his only question remained; "What the heck is the purpose of this unexplained contraption."

Novaheart
01-30-2012, 03:14 PM
Let us not forget that those who deny God must therefore have faith in the idea that life arose from dead material, that RNA and DNA and the working cell all came about with no supernatural help, and that the chaos of unrestrained mutations somehow created the rational order we see today. It takes far more faith to believe man's fairy tales than to believe the only eyewitness to the Creation. ;)

Those who deny gods need have no such faith. Yours is the silliness by which one reasons that the nontheist (previously known as atheist) is a theist because to see no evidence of god is to believe that there is a god in absentia rather than an absence of god.

And your premise is disingenuous because it assails the nontheist position for its inability to explain the origin of life while you simply skip over the fact that you cannot explain how "God" came into existence from nothing either, other than to claim he always was and always will be.

In the absence of complete information to decide that a god created this world and man is no more sane or intelligent than deciding that Vishnu dreamed it all up while sleeping on a lilpad or whatever the basis for Hinduism is. It's bullshit, my dear. It's a primitive way of understanding the universe which we incorporated into our culture and calendar. If you enjoy it that is your business. Keep it out of government and off me.

Novaheart
01-30-2012, 03:18 PM
Once upon a time, a man who came from nothingness and chaos, came across a large field filled with boxes and boxes of parts. The parts were pristine and in good working order. The man who came from nothingness and chaos decided to start assembling the parts. He found in one box a nice set of tools and finely calibrated wrenches and measuring devices. He set about assembling the boxes and one day, Wallah! He had assembled a Boeing 747 Jetliner.

The man never questioned how he had the intellect or knowledge to assemble the strange contraption. Indeed, he never questioned how the parts came to be there in the first place. He assumed that the parts just evolved over the years and migrated to this very field and somehow were placed in the boxes over a huge expanse of time. He just assumed that he had the innate intelligence to assemble the strange looking contraption correctly. He never questioned the underlying intelligence that it took to make the thousands of highly technological parts. He never imagined a master plan that allowed for such a masterpiece to be assembled.

His one unanswered and apparently his only question remained; "What the heck is the purpose of this unexplained contraption."

Since we're on this insipid track, no you would not decide that God created the watch. You could wander the world, noting that watches are similar to clocks, and that the older clocks are, the larger and more primitive they tend to be. You would eventually arrive at the intelligent conclusion that man created the clock over a long period of time after experimenting with a variety of mechanisms and measurements.

NJCardFan
01-31-2012, 12:52 AM
Since we're on this insipid track, no you would not decide that God created the watch. You could wander the world, noting that watches are similar to clocks, and that the older clocks are, the larger and more primitive they tend to be. You would eventually arrive at the intelligent conclusion that man created the clock over a long period of time after experimenting with a variety of mechanisms and measurements.

http://cdn-images.hollywood.com/cms/300x375/7236163.jpg

AmPat
01-31-2012, 11:29 AM
Since we're on this insipid track, no you would not decide that God created the watch. You could wander the world, noting that watches are similar to clocks, and that the older clocks are, the larger and more primitive they tend to be. You would eventually arrive at the intelligent conclusion that man created the clock over a long period of time after experimenting with a variety of mechanisms and measurements.

After all the face-palms, let me start by suggesting that there is a huge difference between a watch and a 747. Of course, I should not assume a liberal would know the difference. Secondly, the story suggests that there might be a master design. I realize this is much too advanced and nuanced for such a small brain, so I apologize. I will try again with a Barney character using Thomas the Train as an example in order to DUmb down the story to your level. :rolleyes:

Odysseus
01-31-2012, 12:47 PM
The OP is claiming that some conservative ideas are the result of low IQ. Compared with the fact that all liberal ideas are, it's really not that big an issue. :D


The source of the story is http://www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conservatism-racism.html (LiveScience)

The source of the paper in question is the journal Psychological Science.

The author is Dr. Gordon Hodson at Brock University

You shouldn't draw conclusions because a san fransisco paper re-prints the story.
The paper is the latest example of the perversion of science by the academic left. This clown is simply the latest Lysenko.

Do you have any doubt that one could stand outside Georgia Tech or the Citadel with a video camera and tape enough candid encounters to make either institution appear populated by idiots?

I won't vouch for Georgia Tech, but I'll take the Citadel, VMI and West Point against UCLA, UC Berkeley and Harvard. In fact, I'll even throw in an infantry AIT class at FT Benning. I guarantee that the service academy students will be better informed, and I'll bet even money that the infantry trainees are.

Novaheart
01-31-2012, 01:00 PM
After all the face-palms, let me start by suggesting that there is a huge difference between a watch and a 747. Of course, I should not assume a liberal would know the difference. Secondly, the story suggests that there might be a master design. I realize this is much too advanced and nuanced for such a small brain, so I apologize. I will try again with a Barney character using Thomas the Train as an example in order to DUmb down the story to your level. :rolleyes:

You are still chasing your own tail. If an artifact has been designed by an even more complex creation then you are left to find the designer of the designer.

Seriously, why do you need to buy into this BS? Does it simplify life for you to have someone else tell you an explanation, even if it's not a plausible explanation? If that is the case, then you should be on board with the Afrocentrics, and everyone else who thinks that history isn't important, the narrative is important, that history is matter of opinion and perspective rather than facts and science.

I suspect that is the case. It's easier to accept a religion, any religion, than it is to figure things things out for yourself and act ethically without fear. Isn't it? Not only that, but by signing on to a religion, you made some respected figure in your life happy, didn't you? Was it your father? Some other emotional giant like a military superior or something? Or is it simply your need to belong to a group?

Do you have any idea how ripe you and your ilk are to being converted to Islam?

Lager
01-31-2012, 01:43 PM
What other force or influence is there in our society for ethical behavior, besides religion right now? Mind you, I'm not a very religious person myself, I'm just a bit amused by those on the left who in order to attack it, must disavow any positive influence religion has in one's life or in society.

Novaheart
01-31-2012, 02:03 PM
What other force or influence is there in our society for ethical behavior, besides religion right now? Mind you, I'm not a very religious person myself, I'm just a bit amused by those on the left who in order to attack it, must disavow any positive influence religion has in one's life or in society.

You don't have to disavow a positive influence. Islam has supposedly made better citizens of many who learned it in prison. It doesn't change the particulars of Islam, does it?

The positive influence of a religion comes from one or both of two sources. One of these is worthy of respect and the other isn't. Fear of gods and eternal damnation is not an admirable condition or motivation. On the other hand, the group dynamic of the civic church can unquestionably be a good thing. It can also be used for other purposes, like group-hate, promoting prejudice and discrimination.

AmPat
01-31-2012, 04:18 PM
You are still chasing your own tail. If an artifact has been designed by an even more complex creation then you are left to find the designer of the designer.

Seriously, why do you need to buy into this BS? Does it simplify life for you to have someone else tell you an explanation, even if it's not a plausible explanation? If that is the case, then you should be on board with the Afrocentrics, and everyone else who thinks that history isn't important, the narrative is important, that history is matter of opinion and perspective rather than facts and science.

I suspect that is the case. It's easier to accept a religion, any religion, than it is to figure things things out for yourself and act ethically without fear. Isn't it? Not only that, but by signing on to a religion, you made some respected figure in your life happy, didn't you? Was it your father? Some other emotional giant like a military superior or something? Or is it simply your need to belong to a group?

Do you have any idea how ripe you and your ilk are to being converted to Islam?

Once again MORON, I don't act out of fear. Apparently, the English language is too advanced for you. Either re-read my posts or try to find an adult to help you with the big words. As for "chasing tail?" I'll leave that to you. As for converting to anything, especially iz-lamb, NEVER. I'll convert to Iz-Lamb as soon as I become an idiot liberal. That would be the day after eternity.

Novaheart
01-31-2012, 04:33 PM
Once again MORON, I don't act out of fear. Apparently, the English language is too advanced for you. Either re-read my posts or try to find an adult to help you with the big words. As for "chasing tail?" I'll leave that to you. As for converting to anything, especially iz-lamb, NEVER. I'll convert to Iz-Lamb as soon as I become an idiot liberal. That would be the day after eternity.

Whatever you say, Abdullah.

NJCardFan
01-31-2012, 09:59 PM
You don't have to disavow a positive influence. Islam has supposedly made better citizens of many who learned it in prison. It doesn't change the particulars of Islam, does it?


The Islam being taught in prison is vastly different than the Islam being taught in Tehran. Also, a vast majority of prison converts to Islam ascribe to the Nation of Islam version of Islam which isn't exactly the most pious version of Islam...unless you think black separatism is pious.

Novaheart
02-01-2012, 12:30 PM
The Islam being taught in prison is vastly different than the Islam being taught in Tehran. Also, a vast majority of prison converts to Islam ascribe to the Nation of Islam version of Islam which isn't exactly the most pious version of Islam...unless you think black separatism is pious.


Objectively the details are irrelevant, the assessment is if conversion to Islam , even Nation of Islam, makes for better citizens. If it lowers the recidivism rate and takes the former inmate out of the street crime and drug market converting a drain on society to a neutral or productive then objectively he has been made a better citizen. No?

AmPat
02-01-2012, 12:51 PM
Whatever you say, Abdullah.

Piss off faggot!

Odysseus
02-01-2012, 01:41 PM
Objectively the details are irrelevant, the assessment is if conversion to Islam , even Nation of Islam, makes for better citizens. If it lowers the recidivism rate and takes the former inmate out of the street crime and drug market converting a drain on society to a neutral or productive then objectively he has been made a better citizen. No?


You don't have to disavow a positive influence. Islam has supposedly made better citizens of many who learned it in prison. It doesn't change the particulars of Islam, does it?

The positive influence of a religion comes from one or both of two sources. One of these is worthy of respect and the other isn't. Fear of gods and eternal damnation is not an admirable condition or motivation. On the other hand, the group dynamic of the civic church can unquestionably be a good thing. It can also be used for other purposes, like group-hate, promoting prejudice and discrimination.

That is assuming that their activities under the Nation of Islam are benign. The NOI preaches violence, hatred, racism and Islamist supremacy, and use both legal and illegal means to achieve those ends. Joining the NOI doesn't make someone a better citizen, it simply ups their criminal game by shfting the focus from petty crime in order to for them to become part of a larger conspiracy, the subversion of the United States Constitutional order and the subjugation of all other faiths.

DumbAss Tanker
02-01-2012, 04:15 PM
That is assuming that their activities under the Nation of Islam are benign. The NOI preaches violence, hatred, racism and Islamist supremacy, and use both legal and illegal means to achieve those ends. Joining the NOI doesn't make someone a better citizen, it simply ups their criminal game by shfting the focus from petty crime in order to for them to become part of a larger conspiracy, the subversion of the United States Constitutional order and the subjugation of all other faiths.

Roger that. NOI is closer to being a crime syndicate with religious overtones than it is to being a religion (More like a cult, really) with just an unusual number of criminals in it.

Odysseus
02-01-2012, 05:28 PM
Roger that. NOI is closer to being a crime syndicate with religious overtones than it is to being a religion (More like a cult, really) with just an unusual number of criminals in it.

A cult made up of criminals sounds an awful lot like the Thuggee.

NJCardFan
02-01-2012, 08:30 PM
Objectively the details are irrelevant, the assessment is if conversion to Islam , even Nation of Islam, makes for better citizens. If it lowers the recidivism rate and takes the former inmate out of the street crime and drug market converting a drain on society to a neutral or productive then objectively he has been made a better citizen. No?

Uh huh. This is why one of the members of NOI created the 5%ers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nation_of_Gods_and_Earths). A group that my department classifies as a STG or Security Threat Group. Don't believe prison converted Muslims end up docile in any way. They are as violent a prison gang as the Bloods and Crips.