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SarasotaRepub
01-29-2012, 10:48 AM
:D This one is pretty funny. (http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002236980)





Sun Jan 29, 2012, 06:43 AM
Prism


So a few baptists came to the door today . . .

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I was getting ready for work when the doorbell rang. I was a little surprised because the entrance to my apartment is in the back of the building, and usually only squirrels and hummingbirds manage to find the place. But, being a sociable sort, I answered the door, and there were two men. Entirely too blonde, too many teeth, powder blue button downs and khakis that imply entirely too much put-togetherness. But, I'm absurdly polite, so I say hallo.

"Hi, we're from the Baptist church over on . . ."

Ok, no. I'm a gay deist. But they persist as my boyfriend observes hidden in the recesses of the apartment. "Have you thought about what happens to you in the ever after?" I certainly have. And being an amateur cosmologist, it has almost nothing to do with the Bible. But, just for shits and giggles (and vaguely because I feel like this will be the path of least resistance), I note "Of course. I'm Catholic (I was raised one. Southern Baptists hate Catholics, so I figured this was an easy out. Not so!).

This generates lots of discussion about interpretations of the Bible.

I do a bit of ideological fencing. Their idea of Catholicism is a bit stereotypical ("No, not all Catholics are super-obedient to the Pope in Rome). We discusss Biblical passages. They ask me all about the after-life. I answer. They discuss. I answer. I answer for at least twenty minutes. Finally, I declare, "So, I need to leave for work soon, but I'll read this and think on it." End of communication.

And you know what? It didn't hurt me. It didn't scar me. I'm a gay male raised Catholic, and I could weather some evangelical missionaries at my front door while my homosexual boyfriend hovered in the backrground. They believed what they do quite earnestly, and it didn't entirely destroy my shit.

I feel like we've lost something in this country. The ability to say "Well, I don't believe as you do, but, whatever." Isn't that the mark of tolerance and plurality? To be able to say "We're different, and that's pretty ok!"

When we can't say that, I feel we're erring. No, I don't share their religion. Yes, they're totally hosed about my equality. I could've gotten real, real nasty. But . . . that's not who I am. We believe. I'll lay my case out as best I can, we'll have a dialogue, and let's see where we go from there.

So, I spent my morning sopping wet, just this side of being late to work, totally gay, and had a conversation with Baptists who were evangelizing.

And I lived to tell the tale.

Imagine that.



OK...and da kicker!




Response to Prism (Original post)
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 06:56 AM
Obamanaut

3. Oh my goodness! I 'rec' this OP. No police jumped out of the bushes, no tattooed bikers


were converted to another ideal while in a checkout line, no senior citizens were berated in a fast food joint, no clerks were 'put in their place' for giving a cordial farewell.

Yours was an outstanding OP.



:applause:

Rockntractor
01-29-2012, 10:56 AM
Nova will just luf this!:popcorn:

NJCardFan
01-29-2012, 12:37 PM
http://bibleway.biz/images/animated-ball_bouncing.gif

And why? Because of the kicker...

So a few baptists came to the door today . . . Reply to Thread

Dan D. Doty
01-29-2012, 07:41 PM
I think the OP is telling the truth in this one.

No screaming ...

No one acting like an asshole ...

Baptists not crying their eyes out ...

Baptists not converted to Moonbatism ...

Just a normal person talking to other normal people.

DUers are going to hate hearing that.

djones520
01-29-2012, 08:58 PM
Reminds me of a time some Southern Babtists caught me sitting at a bus stop in Biloxi. There were completely confused when I told them I was an atheist. It was a completely amicable discussion, no one left with any feelings hurt. They were more curious then anything else, about my state of mind when I thought about death, and things like that. A lovely bunch of fellows if I do say so myself.

Novaheart
01-30-2012, 01:25 AM
Nova will just luf this!:popcorn:

I've never had a Baptist come to my door evangelically. Jehovah's Nitwits and Moron missionaries, but no Baptists.

Novaheart
01-30-2012, 01:29 AM
Reminds me of a time some Southern Babtists caught me sitting at a bus stop in Biloxi. There were completely confused when I told them I was an atheist. It was a completely amicable discussion, no one left with any feelings hurt. They were more curious then anything else, about my state of mind when I thought about death, and things like that. A lovely bunch of fellows if I do say so myself.

I had a pleasant conversation with some JW who came to my house one day. A married couple from Ireland via Canada. I enjoyed listening to the accent so I let him go on about JW beliefs, and they is actually some reason to listen compared to the ANglican and Catholic beliefs I was raised with. For one thing, he explained the whole thing about not going to heaven and it made a lot of sense. Until then, I couldn't imagine why anyone would belong to a religion which as much as told you that you aren't going to heaven (assuming you were going to be a Christian).

noonwitch
01-30-2012, 01:59 PM
I've never had a Baptist come to my door evangelically. Jehovah's Nitwits and Moron missionaries, but no Baptists.

When I was a kid, David Wood came to our house when he opened Heritage Baptist Church in Kentwood. He also was the director of the Michigan Moral Majority at the time.

Now, Rev. Wood is all about provoking muslims in Dearborn.

Novaheart
01-30-2012, 02:04 PM
When I was a kid, David Wood came to our house when he opened Heritage Baptist Church in Kentwood. He also was the director of the Michigan Moral Majority at the time.

Now, Rev. Wood is all about provoking muslims in Dearborn.

It's a shame when only such a person has the guts and willingness to actually oppose a problem like Islam. This is what I mean when I tell people that they need to get on the correct side of immigration and cultural aggression in the US, or a leader will arise who sounds remarkably like Hitler and inspires the nation. Yes, I am serious, I think this is where we and the countries of Western Europe are headed, except that we'll all be on the same side this time. Hell, the Japanese might even come along.

Arroyo_Doble
01-30-2012, 02:29 PM
It's a shame when only such a person has the guts and willingness to actually oppose a problem like Islam. This is what I mean when I tell people that they need to get on the correct side of immigration and cultural aggression in the US, or a leader will arise who sounds remarkably like Hitler and inspires the nation. Yes, I am serious, I think this is where we and the countries of Western Europe are headed, except that we'll all be on the same side this time. Hell, the Japanese might even come along.

Too late. The Irish already fucked up America.

Arroyo_Doble
01-30-2012, 03:29 PM
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/423753_336097789756056_137375766294927_1107747_137 897472_n.jpg

noonwitch
01-30-2012, 04:05 PM
It's a shame when only such a person has the guts and willingness to actually oppose a problem like Islam. This is what I mean when I tell people that they need to get on the correct side of immigration and cultural aggression in the US, or a leader will arise who sounds remarkably like Hitler and inspires the nation. Yes, I am serious, I think this is where we and the countries of Western Europe are headed, except that we'll all be on the same side this time. Hell, the Japanese might even come along.

The problem is not that he opposes Islam, but his methods of demonstrating his opposition. Yes, he should have free speech during the arab festival in Dearborn. Is it smart to yell out religious insults to american muslims? It's about as smart as being a white person and walking around downtown Detroit using the n word. Yeah, you have the right to do it, but it's not very smart.

Adam Wood
01-30-2012, 06:21 PM
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/423753_336097789756056_137375766294927_1107747_137 897472_n.jpg

LOL! That took me a second.

Novaheart
01-30-2012, 11:43 PM
The problem is not that he opposes Islam, but his methods of demonstrating his opposition. Yes, he should have free speech during the arab festival in Dearborn. Is it smart to yell out religious insults to american muslims? It's about as smart as being a white person and walking around downtown Detroit using the n word. Yeah, you have the right to do it, but it's not very smart.

I disagree. Yelling nword at blacks is not debating their philosophy or their presence in this country. American Negroes are not an exotic, invasive, and inherently toxic people, they have been here almost as long as my people have. We may not owe them anything in reparation for slavery, but we do owe them the respect owed American root (pre-colonial and colonial) nations. Muslims do not belong here, period. Islam is incompatible with our culture, economy, and system of government.