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txradioguy
02-04-2012, 08:34 AM
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WASHINGTON An Army officer ordered a court-martial Friday for a low-ranking intelligence analyst charged in the biggest leak of classified information in U.S. history.

Military District of Washington commander Maj. Gen. Michael Linnington referred all charges against Pfc. Bradley Manning to a general court-martial, the Army said in a statement.

The referral means Manning will stand trial for allegedly giving more than 700,000 secret U.S. documents and classified combat video to the anti-secrecy website WikiLeaks for publication.

The 24-year-old Crescent, Oklahoma, native faces 22 counts, including aiding the enemy. He could be imprisoned for life if convicted of that charge.

A judge who is yet to be appointed will set the trial date.

Manning's lead defense counsel, civilian attorney David Coombs, didn't immediately return a call Friday evening seeking comment on the decision.

Defense lawyers say Manning was clearly a troubled young soldier whom the Army should never have deployed to Iraq or given access to classified material while he was stationed there from late 2009 to mid-2010.


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Novaheart
02-04-2012, 10:51 AM
Defense lawyers say Manning was clearly a troubled young soldier whom the Army should never have deployed to Iraq or given access to classified material while he was stationed there from late 2009 to mid-2010.

I realize that these are defense attorneys, and it's their job to say or do anything legal to help the defendant..... but seriously, the argument is that the Army should have known Manning was likely to do something like this? And that would let him off the hook?

txradioguy
02-04-2012, 10:55 AM
Defense lawyers say Manning was clearly a troubled young soldier whom the Army should never have deployed to Iraq or given access to classified material while he was stationed there from late 2009 to mid-2010.

I realize that these are defense attorneys, and it's their job to say or do anything legal to help the defendant..... but seriously, the argument is that the Army should have known Manning was likely to do something like this? And that would let him off the hook?

His defense lawyers actually are trying to claim with a straight face that he's some kind of Whistle Blower and a patriot that should be released and have a parade thrown for immediately.

This traitor has become the poster child for every ant-War group out there.

Odysseus
02-04-2012, 11:08 AM
Defense lawyers say Manning was clearly a troubled young soldier whom the Army should never have deployed to Iraq or given access to classified material while he was stationed there from late 2009 to mid-2010.

I realize that these are defense attorneys, and it's their job to say or do anything legal to help the defendant..... but seriously, the argument is that the Army should have known Manning was likely to do something like this? And that would let him off the hook?

Yep. That's the best that they can do.

And, in all fairness, the army was negligent. Manning should never have gotten a TS clearance with his baggage. Before DADT was repealed, he was openly gay (or at least not doing anything to hide it) and involved in an affair with a drag queen, who dumped him shortly before he decided to steal and leak the documents. By every objective measure, he was a huge security risk. He should not have been in uniform, much less granted a clearance and deployed. However, this doesn't take him off of the hook for having deliberately leaked documents. That was his decision, and he is responsible for it.

Novaheart
02-04-2012, 11:22 AM
Yep. That's the best that they can do.

And, in all fairness, the army was negligent. Manning should never have gotten a TS clearance with his baggage. Before DADT was repealed, he was openly gay (or at least not doing anything to hide it) and involved in an affair with a drag queen, who dumped him shortly before he decided to steal and leak the documents. By every objective measure, he was a huge security risk. He should not have been in uniform, much less granted a clearance and deployed. However, this doesn't take him off of the hook for having deliberately leaked documents. That was his decision, and he is responsible for it.

Speaking of which, how long should we expect it to be before US bases are crawling with Iraq/Afghan war brides?

txradioguy
02-04-2012, 12:04 PM
Speaking of which, how long should we expect it to be before US bases are crawling with Iraq/Afghan war brides?


Won't see it any time soon.

Novaheart
02-04-2012, 12:08 PM
Won't see it any time soon.

Is it actively discouraged in some way not previously employed? Or is it simply that Iraqi and Afghan women aren't as alluring as Vietnamese, Filipino, Japanese, British, and German? Not trying to be funny, seriously curious.

txradioguy
02-04-2012, 12:31 PM
Is it actively discouraged in some way not previously employed? Or is it simply that Iraqi and Afghan women aren't as alluring as Vietnamese, Filipino, Japanese, British, and German? Not trying to be funny, seriously curious.


I think IIRC the military learned it's lesson on this from Vietnam and tightened the regs.

I can only recall one instance in my career where anyone tried to bring back a war bride and that was in Somalia. But there was more red tape involved in trying to make that happen than was worth the end result.

txradioguy
02-04-2012, 12:34 PM
As for the Brits Germans etc...the laws are different because we aren't at war with them.

What I said above was more in line with places where we are actively engaged in combat.

And while I'm sure there are some beautiful women of Afghan origin...the ones that were born raised and are surviving in that country in their 20's and 30's due to a hard life look like they are 50.

djones520
02-04-2012, 01:06 PM
Is it actively discouraged in some way not previously employed? Or is it simply that Iraqi and Afghan women aren't as alluring as Vietnamese, Filipino, Japanese, British, and German? Not trying to be funny, seriously curious.

I knew of an officer in Kyrgyzstan who had been deployed there so often that he had a wife and family with a local national. That is the only instance I've heard of though. When I deployed while I was single I certainly appreciated how attractive the women were over there, but the thought of actually getting in a relationship with them was the last thing on my mind. I imagine that it's the same for most people. Not to mention that the oppurtunities afforded to develop such a relationship are extremely restricted now. There was no wandering off base in Iraq/Afghanistan. In the other countries where we are allowed off base, it's in supervised trips.

So yeah, as Tx stated, the military really cracked down on this.

TooManyChiefs
02-04-2012, 03:56 PM
The support this guy gets from the liberal activists disgusts me. He committed a crime that many before him have been executed for. He betrayed every person in the Army and every citizen of the USA.

I dont blame WikiLeaks, its their responsibility to post this information. The reason this whole mess happened is the person we trusted to keep it from organizations like WikiLeaks is a total fuckhead.

Odysseus
02-04-2012, 04:27 PM
Is it actively discouraged in some way not previously employed? Or is it simply that Iraqi and Afghan women aren't as alluring as Vietnamese, Filipino, Japanese, British, and German? Not trying to be funny, seriously curious.
It is actively discouraged, and the vast majority of troops have no opportunities to fraternize. Also, the culture makes any contact between unmarried local women and US troops very difficult. Finally, Sharia law forbids marriage between a non-Muslim man and a Muslim woman, so that even if the opportunity is present and the woman is willing, her family and the local imams are far more likely to kill her than allow the marriage. Most American women in the region have seen the culture up close and have no interest in marrying Muslim men.

I dont blame WikiLeaks, its their responsibility to post this information. The reason this whole mess happened is the person we trusted to keep it from organizations like WikiLeaks is a total fuckhead.

Wikileaks has no obligation to publish anything. They have set themselves up as gadflies whose sole purpose is to spread anarchy and undermine their own countries. Notice that Wikileaks has never published anything that embarrasses or compromises our enemies. They're just another face of the enemy.

Novaheart
02-05-2012, 11:39 AM
Finally, Sharia law forbids marriage between a non-Muslim man and a Muslim woman........

That is part of what concerns me. We have American men, especially young American me, who might think of conversion to Islam in the same way that Sammy Davis became Jewish, some guy they knew in high school became a Buddhist, some guy in prison becomes a Nation of Islam- little more than words and a new claim of a new identity. My best friend converted to Catholicism (from Lutheran) as a condition of marriage to his wife. So did my handyman. I don't think that either guy seriously changed his religious views in the process, though the handyman does enjoy the academic aspects of Catholicism (he likes talking about religion and history).

American men for all their outward belief in their own masculinity, tend to be a little insecure. We can see this by the fact that so many of them marry the first woman who comes along and asks them. Most American men are raised by American women and simply aren't inculcated with the belief that as a male they are god's gift to the universe. Islam has that covered, it's part of its appeal to poor men who would otherwise be excluded from access to "good women". And it works. Even prison converts to NOI are promised that if they become a "good muslim", then women who want a good husband will also become muslim to get one. Go to the ghetto Walmart and see how many American negro women you see wearing musliim garb. Even here, the number is climbing.

I don't think that American men will be converted in a giant wave, but Islam is both immediately insidious and patient at the same time. It's like water against a seawall, it will look for the weak spot, but it will also simply lay against the wall for centuries gently soaking in and rotting it.

Odysseus
02-05-2012, 01:00 PM
That is part of what concerns me. We have American men, especially young American me, who might think of conversion to Islam in the same way that Sammy Davis became Jewish, some guy they knew in high school became a Buddhist, some guy in prison becomes a Nation of Islam- little more than words and a new claim of a new identity. My best friend converted to Catholicism (from Lutheran) as a condition of marriage to his wife. So did my handyman. I don't think that either guy seriously changed his religious views in the process, though the handyman does enjoy the academic aspects of Catholicism (he likes talking about religion and history).

American men for all their outward belief in their own masculinity, tend to be a little insecure. We can see this by the fact that so many of them marry the first woman who comes along and asks them. Most American men are raised by American women and simply aren't inculcated with the belief that as a male they are god's gift to the universe. Islam has that covered, it's part of its appeal to poor men who would otherwise be excluded from access to "good women". And it works. Even prison converts to NOI are promised that if they become a "good muslim", then women who want a good husband will also become muslim to get one. Go to the ghetto Walmart and see how many American negro women you see wearing musliim garb. Even here, the number is climbing.

I don't think that American men will be converted in a giant wave, but Islam is both immediately insidious and patient at the same time. It's like water against a seawall, it will look for the weak spot, but it will also simply lay against the wall for centuries gently soaking in and rotting it.

Agreed. However, I have to make one point:


... American negro women...

Juan Williams would like a word with you.

noonwitch
02-07-2012, 03:14 PM
I think IIRC the military learned it's lesson on this from Vietnam and tightened the regs.


Not to mention that in Iraq and Afganistan, we are talking about parts of the world in which pregnant women who are not married get murdered by their fathers and brothers. I think when US military personnel understand that, no one really wants to bear any responsibility for putting a woman in such a situation.

RedGrouse
02-07-2012, 07:34 PM
Hang him high!