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Apocalypse
02-15-2012, 12:57 AM
From Jawa

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/cia_kabul_exposed.jpg


Someone from the notorious hacking group Anonymous claims to have used open source material to identify the CIA station chief in Kabul (I won't link the source). Of course, the group is just worried about the US government being too "secretive", hence the outing.



Truth above all else!
But within 24 hours the meme had made it to jihadi websites with connections to al Qaeda and other violent groups.


Here's a screenshot of one of them, but with the name of the CIA station chief and other information which might assist those wishing him harm blacked out.


Yet nothing will be done about this.

NJCardFan
02-15-2012, 01:57 AM
If this doesn't identify them as a full on terrorist group nothing does.

Odysseus
02-15-2012, 11:04 AM
I love that a group that calls itself "anonymous" complains about the secrecy of other organizations and governments. Meanwhile, they out people who will die as a result of their conduct. This is espionage, and we need to take them out.

DumbAss Tanker
02-15-2012, 12:16 PM
This is espionage, and we need to take them out.

Couldn't agree more.

Arroyo_Doble
02-15-2012, 12:25 PM
I love that a group that calls itself "anonymous" complains about the secrecy of other organizations and governments. Meanwhile, they out people who will die as a result of their conduct. This is espionage, and we need to take them out.

Do you mean espionage in the legal sense or just the general use of the word?

Odysseus
02-15-2012, 01:17 PM
Do you mean espionage in the legal sense or just the general use of the word?

In the legal sense.


18 USC § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

(a) Whoever, for the purpose of obtaining information respecting the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation, goes upon, enters, flies over, or otherwise obtains information concerning any vessel, aircraft, work of defense, navy yard, naval station, submarine base, fueling station, fort, battery, torpedo station, dockyard, canal, railroad, arsenal, camp, factory, mine, telegraph, telephone, wireless, or signal station, building, office, research laboratory or station or other place connected with the national defense owned or constructed, or in progress of construction by the United States or under the control of the United States, or of any of its officers, departments, or agencies, or within the exclusive jurisdiction of the United States, or any place in which any vessel, aircraft, arms, munitions, or other materials or instruments for use in time of war are being made, prepared, repaired, stored, or are the subject of research or development, under any contract or agreement with the United States, or any department or agency thereof, or with any person on behalf of the United States, or otherwise on behalf of the United States, or any prohibited place so designated by the President by proclamation in time of war or in case of national emergency in which anything for the use of the Army, Navy, or Air Force is being prepared or constructed or stored, information as to which prohibited place the President has determined would be prejudicial to the national defense; or
(b) Whoever, for the purpose aforesaid, and with like intent or reason to believe, copies, takes, makes, or obtains, or attempts to copy, take, make, or obtain, any sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, document, writing, or note of anything connected with the national defense; or
(c) Whoever, for the purpose aforesaid, receives or obtains or agrees or attempts to receive or obtain from any person, or from any source whatever, any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note, of anything connected with the national defense, knowing or having reason to believe, at the time he receives or obtains, or agrees or attempts to receive or obtain it, that it has been or will be obtained, taken, made, or disposed of by any person contrary to the provisions of this chapter; or
(d) Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
(e) Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense,
(1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or
(2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
(g) If two or more persons conspire to violate any of the foregoing provisions of this section, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to such conspiracy shall be subject to the punishment provided for the offense which is the object of such conspiracy.
(h)
(1) Any person convicted of a violation of this section shall forfeit to the United States, irrespective of any provision of State law, any property constituting, or derived from, any proceeds the person obtained, directly or indirectly, from any foreign government, or any faction or party or military or naval force within a foreign country, whether recognized or unrecognized by the United States, as the result of such violation. For the purposes of this subsection, the term “State” includes a State of the United States, the District of Columbia, and any commonwealth, territory, or possession of the United States.


And:


50 USC § 421 - Protection of identities of certain United States undercover intelligence officers, agents, informants, and sources

(a) Disclosure of information by persons having or having had access to classified information that identifies covert agent

Whoever, having or having had authorized access to classified information that identifies a covert agent, intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent’s intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 15 years, or both.
(b) Disclosure of information by persons who learn identity of covert agents as result of having access to classified information
Whoever, as a result of having authorized access to classified information, learns the identify of a covert agent and intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent’s intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.
(c) Disclosure of information by persons in course of pattern of activities intended to identify and expose covert agents
Whoever, in the course of a pattern of activities intended to identify and expose covert agents and with reason to believe that such activities would impair or impede the foreign intelligence activities of the United States, discloses any information that identifies an individual as a covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such individual and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such individual’s classified intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(d) Imposition of consecutive sentences
A term of imprisonment imposed under this section shall be consecutive to any other sentence of imprisonment.

And, of course, this being wartime, the Geneva Conventions apply as well. We can target them with impunity.

Arroyo_Doble
02-15-2012, 01:31 PM
In the legal sense.


18 USC § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

(a) Whoever, for the purpose of obtaining information respecting the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation, goes upon, enters, flies over, or otherwise obtains information concerning any vessel, aircraft, work of defense, navy yard, naval station, submarine base, fueling station, fort, battery, torpedo station, dockyard, canal, railroad, arsenal, camp, factory, mine, telegraph, telephone, wireless, or signal station, building, office, research laboratory or station or other place connected with the national defense owned or constructed, or in progress of construction by the United States or under the control of the United States, or of any of its officers, departments, or agencies, or within the exclusive jurisdiction of the United States, or any place in which any vessel, aircraft, arms, munitions, or other materials or instruments for use in time of war are being made, prepared, repaired, stored, or are the subject of research or development, under any contract or agreement with the United States, or any department or agency thereof, or with any person on behalf of the United States, or otherwise on behalf of the United States, or any prohibited place so designated by the President by proclamation in time of war or in case of national emergency in which anything for the use of the Army, Navy, or Air Force is being prepared or constructed or stored, information as to which prohibited place the President has determined would be prejudicial to the national defense; or
(b) Whoever, for the purpose aforesaid, and with like intent or reason to believe, copies, takes, makes, or obtains, or attempts to copy, take, make, or obtain, any sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, document, writing, or note of anything connected with the national defense; or
(c) Whoever, for the purpose aforesaid, receives or obtains or agrees or attempts to receive or obtain from any person, or from any source whatever, any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note, of anything connected with the national defense, knowing or having reason to believe, at the time he receives or obtains, or agrees or attempts to receive or obtain it, that it has been or will be obtained, taken, made, or disposed of by any person contrary to the provisions of this chapter; or
(d) Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
(e) Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense,
(1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or
(2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
(g) If two or more persons conspire to violate any of the foregoing provisions of this section, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to such conspiracy shall be subject to the punishment provided for the offense which is the object of such conspiracy.
(h)
(1) Any person convicted of a violation of this section shall forfeit to the United States, irrespective of any provision of State law, any property constituting, or derived from, any proceeds the person obtained, directly or indirectly, from any foreign government, or any faction or party or military or naval force within a foreign country, whether recognized or unrecognized by the United States, as the result of such violation. For the purposes of this subsection, the term “State” includes a State of the United States, the District of Columbia, and any commonwealth, territory, or possession of the United States.


And:


50 USC § 421 - Protection of identities of certain United States undercover intelligence officers, agents, informants, and sources

(a) Disclosure of information by persons having or having had access to classified information that identifies covert agent

Whoever, having or having had authorized access to classified information that identifies a covert agent, intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent’s intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 15 years, or both.
(b) Disclosure of information by persons who learn identity of covert agents as result of having access to classified information
Whoever, as a result of having authorized access to classified information, learns the identify of a covert agent and intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent’s intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.
(c) Disclosure of information by persons in course of pattern of activities intended to identify and expose covert agents
Whoever, in the course of a pattern of activities intended to identify and expose covert agents and with reason to believe that such activities would impair or impede the foreign intelligence activities of the United States, discloses any information that identifies an individual as a covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such individual and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such individual’s classified intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(d) Imposition of consecutive sentences
A term of imprisonment imposed under this section shall be consecutive to any other sentence of imprisonment.

And, of course, this being wartime, the Geneva Conventions apply as well. We can target them with impunity.


We can do that anyway. But that aside, there is the claim that it was gathered through public records. Also, as to the first, are you sure Anonymous fits this profile:


Whoever, for the purpose of obtaining information respecting the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation,


Catch him (if you want to, anyway) and you could probably make a case but who exactly are they working for?

NJCardFan
02-15-2012, 01:31 PM
Let's not forget this week they hacked into a telephone conversation and broadcasted it. They are a terrorist group and should be treated as such. But of course people like yo yo agree with what they do.

Arroyo_Doble
02-15-2012, 01:35 PM
Let's not forget this week they hacked into a telephone conversation and broadcasted it. They are a terrorist group and should be treated as such. But of course people like yo yo agree with what they do.

No, I don't.

I have to tell you, for a group of so-called conservatives, you guys sure find it easy to toss out a few amendments at the drop of a hat.

AmPat
02-15-2012, 02:03 PM
No, I don't.

I have to tell you, for a group of so-called conservatives, you guys sure find it easy to toss out a few amendments at the drop of a hat.
You so called liberals are to blame. Call it a threshold shift. After so many years of wiping your stinking @$$3$ with the Constitution, we get caught sometimes in a moment of weakness. The difference is, our instincts are to side with the good guys while you liberal idiots always side with the bad guys. Still want to play "Who Tramples The Constitution?":rolleyes:

Arroyo_Doble
02-15-2012, 02:04 PM
You so called liberals are to blame. Call it a threshold shift. After so many years of wiping your stinking @$$3$ with the Constitution, we get caught sometimes in a moment of weakness. The difference is, our instincts are to side with the good guys while you liberal idiots always side with the bad guys. Still want to play "Who Tramples The Constitution?":rolleyes:

Tell you what, laminate the 2nd Amendment and call it a day.

AmPat
02-15-2012, 02:21 PM
Tell you what, laminate the 2nd Amendment and call it a day.
I'll see your two and raise you ,,, Oh heck with it, I'm all in. What about you?
Let's just laminate the entire Constitution.

DumbAss Tanker
02-15-2012, 03:19 PM
No, I don't.

I have to tell you, for a group of so-called conservatives, you guys sure find it easy to toss out a few amendments at the drop of a hat.

The First Amendment is not an unbounded playground for criminals and active enemies to hide in, much as you might prefer it to be so. The Paultards would probably find your position refreshingly enlightened, though.

Odysseus
02-15-2012, 04:02 PM
We can do that anyway. But that aside, there is the claim that it was gathered through public records. Also, as to the first, are you sure Anonymous fits this profile:


Whoever, for the purpose of obtaining information respecting the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation,

Catch him (if you want to, anyway) and you could probably make a case but who exactly are they working for?
It doesn't matter who they are working for, as the law applies. Note the emphasis:

Whoever, for the purpose of obtaining information respecting the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation,
In other words, Anonymous doesn't have to be working for a foreign power, just the fact that they seek to injure the United States is sufficient under the law. And, I'm not saying that we catch them, I'm saying that we find them. If we can capture them, I'll happily waterboard these idiots until they spout gills and flippers, but we may not be able to capture them, and we don't have to, as they are engaging in espionage in wartime, which makes them combatants, and we are within our rights to engage combatants.
Let them try to hack a Predator drone as it puts a Hellfire missile through their bedroom window.

Arroyo_Doble
02-15-2012, 04:11 PM
It doesn't matter who they are working for, as the law applies. Note the emphasis:

Whoever, for the purpose of obtaining information respecting the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation,
In other words, Anonymous doesn't have to be working for a foreign power, just the fact that they seek to injure the United States is sufficient under the law. And, I'm not saying that we catch them, I'm saying that we find them. If we can capture them, I'll happily waterboard these idiots until they spout gills and flippers, but we may not be able to capture them, and we don't have to, as they are engaging in espionage in wartime, which makes them combatants, and we are within our rights to engage combatants.
Let them try to hack a Predator drone as it puts a Hellfire missile through their bedroom window.

Not if that window is in the United States.

You cross a serious line when you enable the military to start assassinating American citizens in their homes (assuming that home is here .... in Pakistan, have at it. With or without that nation's permission).

Apache
02-15-2012, 04:56 PM
Not if that window is in the United States.

You cross a serious line when you enable the military to start assassinating American citizens in their homes (assuming that home is here .... in Pakistan, have at it. With or without that nation's permission).

And therein lies the chasm between the conservatives and the Left. We respect the Constitution, whereas you guys twist it to fit your worldview...

Try as you might... You just can't nail down Jell-O

Odysseus
02-15-2012, 05:04 PM
Not if that window is in the United States.

You cross a serious line when you enable the military to start assassinating American citizens in their homes (assuming that home is here .... in Pakistan, have at it. With or without that nation's permission).

If they are in the United States, we can capture them. If they are in a foreign country, and that country is either an ally or neutral, then we identify them, and ask the host nation to turn over the persons who are operating against us from their territory and violating their neutrality. And, if the host fails to fulfill its obligations under the Geneva Conventions, then it waives its neutrality and we are free to turn anonymous into a fine red mist.

Arroyo_Doble
02-15-2012, 05:06 PM
And therein lies the chasm between the conservatives and the Left. We respect the Constitution, whereas you guys twist it to fit your worldview...

Try as you might... You just can't nail down Jell-O

You respect the Constitution by ignoring the at least three amendments (I would argue 4 but don't want to get into the whole thing about whether the 9th is rhetorical or not) and part of Article I Section 9?

Arroyo_Doble
02-15-2012, 05:08 PM
If they are in the United States, we can capture them. If they are in a foreign country, and that country is either an ally or neutral, then we identify them, and ask the host nation to turn over the persons who are operating against us from their territory and violating their neutrality. And, if the host fails to fulfill its obligations under the Geneva Conventions, then it waives its neutrality and we are free to turn anonymous into a fine red mist.

For espionage? Or revenge?

Are you sure this isn't political for you? Would you have turned Lawrence Franklin into red mist?

Apache
02-15-2012, 05:16 PM
You respect the Constitution by ignoring the at least three amendments (I would argue 4 but don't want to get into the whole thing about whether the 9th is rhetorical or not) and part of Article I Section 9?

Where did I suggest anything of the sort? I'll wait....:rolleyes:

Apache
02-15-2012, 07:01 PM
Oreo?

Still trying to find it?

NJCardFan
02-15-2012, 10:44 PM
No, I don't.

I have to tell you, for a group of so-called conservatives, you guys sure find it easy to toss out a few amendments at the drop of a hat.

Anonymous has gone global(the attack on Sony wasn't just in the US) hence they're very limited in their Constitutional protections. Once you take your attacks global, like this one, you're now an enemy combatant and this is how you should be treated:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICsujYpRI8A&feature=related

Odysseus
02-16-2012, 12:24 AM
For espionage? Or revenge?

Are you sure this isn't political for you?
No, it's professional and personal. The professional side is that I'm a Soldier, we're at war, and these clowns are serving the interests of our enemies. As for the personal, I've got friends in Kabul who are in harm's way, and who are endangered by this kind of idiocy.

Would you have turned Lawrence Franklin into red mist?
Yes, I would have, if it came down to it. He violated his oath and broke faith with the rest of us.

Want me to sign another loyalty oath just to satisfy you?

hai
02-16-2012, 12:36 AM
I love that a group that calls itself "anonymous" complains about the secrecy of other organizations and governments. Meanwhile, they out people who will die as a result of their conduct. This is espionage, and we need to take them out.

This.

Or to put them in a prison that has bubba in it.

AmPat
02-16-2012, 11:06 AM
This.

Or to put them in a prison that has bubba in it.
Klintoon is untouchable, the DIMS made sure of this.

AmPat
02-16-2012, 11:10 AM
Anonymous has gone global(the attack on Sony wasn't just in the US) hence they're very limited in their Constitutional protections. Once you take your attacks global, like this one, you're now an enemy combatant and this is how you should be treated:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICsujYpRI8A&feature=related
That's my boys. If we can see you, we can hit you. And that is the smallest weapon on board.;) It is an area weapon system and not meant to be used as a sniper rifle. It fires a minimum of 10 rounds, each round loaded with HE.

Odysseus
02-17-2012, 09:25 AM
That's my boys. If we can see you, we can hit you. And that is the smallest weapon on board.;) It is an area weapon system and not meant to be used as a sniper rifle. It fires a minimum of 10 rounds, each round loaded with HE.

I'm sure that the current administration is preparing a strongly worded statement with every adjective in the arsenal. That'll show 'em. :rolleyes:

AmPat
02-18-2012, 11:07 AM
I'm sure that the current administration is preparing a strongly worded statement with every adjective in the arsenal. That'll show 'em. :rolleyes:

We are looking into an Obama administration training mandate. New prospective Apache crewmen will need to demonstrate an ability to make Chain-gun like verbal noises that mimic actual gunfire. They will need a passing score based on real life criteria such as how scary they were and did the grader flinch during the audition.

Odysseus
02-18-2012, 12:02 PM
We are looking into an Obama administration training mandate. New prospective Apache crewmen will need to demonstrate an ability to make Chain-gun like verbal noises that mimic actual gunfire. They will need a passing score based on real life criteria such as how scary they were and did the grader flinch during the audition.

Nah, that might scare the man-made disaster facilitators on the ground, and then they wouldn't like us.
No, the new Apache ordnance will replace HE rounds with pamphlets that explain our commitment to diversity and appreciation of Islam, and will contain coupons for 10% any halal meal at the Kabul Burger King.

fettpett
02-18-2012, 01:08 PM
While I agree in this case, they have done some good, they are responsible for bringing down one of the biggest Child porn rings in the world last Nov. I don't like their tactics or their stance, but do have to give them credit when they are doing good.

AmPat
02-19-2012, 11:53 AM
Nah, that might scare the man-made disaster facilitators on the ground, and then they wouldn't like us.
No, the new Apache ordnance will replace HE rounds with pamphlets that explain our commitment to diversity and appreciation of Islam, and will contain coupons for 10% any halal meal at the Kabul Burger King.

Ah, I didn't get the memo. We here in the lab are the last to know. May I assume I can continue with the MRE ejection tubes? We have re-engineered them so that only the Halal meals fit into the tubes. We can't risk cross-load errors and accidentlally stuff them with Pork Patty or Pork Chow Mein.

Odysseus
02-19-2012, 01:30 PM
While I agree in this case, they have done some good, they are responsible for bringing down one of the biggest Child porn rings in the world last Nov. I don't like their tactics or their stance, but do have to give them credit when they are doing good.
Wonderful. We'll adjust the payloads in the Predators in order to ensure a quicker death.

Ah, I didn't get the memo. We here in the lab are the last to know. May I assume I can continue with the MRE ejection tubes? We have re-engineered them so that only the Halal meals fit into the tubes. We can't risk cross-load errors and accidentlally stuff them with Pork Patty or Pork Chow Mein.

I think that it's okay to continue to eject MREs, as long as it's done by the case and the targeting system guarantees impact from high altitude. We'll kill them with kindness. :biggrin-new: