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NJCardFan
02-20-2012, 09:31 AM
Checking out Real Clear Politics and in all polls against all GOP candidates, Obama beats all of them right now: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html

Obama +5.7% over Romney
Obama +8 over Santorum
Obama +13.9 over Newt
Obama +8.2% over Paul

And he's leading each candidate in all polls sampled including Rassmussen. Uh oh.

Arroyo_Doble
02-20-2012, 09:34 AM
Checking out Real Clear Politics and in all polls against all GOP candidates, Obama beats all of them right now: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html

Obama +5.7% over Romney
Obama +8 over Santorum
Obama +13.9 over Newt
Obama +8.2% over Paul

And he's leading each candidate in all polls sampled including Rassmussen. Uh oh.

Sooner or later (at least by Labor Day), the Republican candidates will stop kicking the shit out of each other and smile for the camera. Things should tighten up, then.

linda22003
02-20-2012, 10:08 AM
Checking out Real Clear Politics and in all polls against all GOP candidates, Obama beats all of them right now: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html

Obama +5.7% over Romney
Obama +8 over Santorum
Obama +13.9 over Newt
Obama +8.2% over Paul

And he's leading each candidate in all polls sampled including Rassmussen. Uh oh.

I'm rather surprised the percentage over Santorum isn't higher, given the crap Santorum has been saying over the past few days.

AmPat
02-20-2012, 10:42 AM
I'm rather surprised the percentage over Santorum isn't higher, given the crap Santorum has been saying over the past few days.
I haven't been following. Has he not been dutifully wagging his tail and exposing his belly for the liberal media and delicate and "moderate" voters to scratch??? :eek::cool::cool:

Rockntractor
02-20-2012, 10:45 AM
I haven't been following. Has he not been dutifully wagging his tail and exposing his belly for the liberal media and delicate and "moderate" voters to scratch??? :eek::cool::cool:

He is against abortion and a Catholic!:eek:

linda22003
02-20-2012, 10:54 AM
I haven't been following. Has he not been dutifully wagging his tail and exposing his belly for the liberal media and delicate and "moderate" voters to scratch??? :eek::cool::cool:

Not lately. His latest kick is that prenatal testing is bad because it can lead to abortion. He's okay with sonograms, but thinks "government shouldn't require them." Since states are doing EXACTLY that to discourage abortion, the irony's getting a little thick. :rolleyes:

Apache
02-20-2012, 11:24 AM
YES! Another poll....:rolleyes:



Sorry, I just don't put much stock in polls anymore....

Starbuck
02-20-2012, 12:00 PM
Not lately. His latest kick is that prenatal testing is bad because it can lead to abortion. He's okay with sonograms, but thinks "government shouldn't require them." Since states are doing EXACTLY that to discourage abortion, the irony's getting a little thick. :rolleyes:

Is that what he said? I didn't think so. I think what he actually said is that requiring prenatal testing is a bad idea. 100 percent prenatal testing would result in more abortions.

90% of Downs Syndrome babies are aborted. If more pre-birth babies are found to have Down's they will be aborted, too. Fact of life.


For my part, I believe that government should require darn little.

Novaheart
02-20-2012, 12:20 PM
kneel and kiss the ring 2012

http://nicolations.followersofyah.com/nav/pope/Kissing-Popes-Ring.jpg

NJCardFan
02-20-2012, 12:35 PM
YES! Another poll....:rolleyes:



Sorry, I just don't put much stock in polls anymore....
Do you put stock in them when they give you the result you want? And it isn't just one poll. It's an average of several polls. And even the right leaning poll has Obama ahead.

NJCardFan
02-20-2012, 12:37 PM
kneel and kiss the ring 2012

http://nicolations.followersofyah.com/nav/pope/Kissing-Popes-Ring.jpg

And another nova post attacking the Catholic church. You're nothing if not predictable. And, of course, you saw no problem with Obama bowing to every foreign leader he's met.

linda22003
02-20-2012, 12:44 PM
Is that what he said? I didn't think so. I think what he actually said is that requiring prenatal testing is a bad idea. 100 percent prenatal testing would result in more abortions.

90% of Downs Syndrome babies are aborted. If more pre-birth babies are found to have Down's they will be aborted, too. Fact of life.


For my part, I believe that government should require darn little.

Then to correct again, no one is talking about requiring women to get testing, just requiring insurance to cover it. Who can make the decision about what to do, other than the parents? No one else is qualified to do so.

Starbuck
02-20-2012, 12:55 PM
No, none of the polling is good, but consider this:

Here is Bush's approval rating. It shows that he was in the 51 - 54 % range in February, 2004. Maybe even a little less.
http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/cvfspjk4hesmzts2bc0brg.gif
http://www.gallup.com/poll/116500/presidential-approval-ratings-george-bush.aspx
Bush just barely defeated Kerry in the fall of 2004, but he did win.

But this is Obama:
http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/8mrsc49itucsq5790iz_9w.gif
http://www.gallup.com/poll/152123/Obama-Averages-Approval-3rd-Year.aspx
http://www.gallup.com/poll/152123/Obama-Averages-Approval-3rd-Year.aspx
Obama is at about 44%.:smile:

Facts show that the President will not get many votes from people who do not approve of him, and a great many people do not approve of Obama.

I believe - still - that he will end up with about 47% of the vote. Whether we Republicans will win will depend upon how the 53% is split.

I think Obama still polls as a winner because people have real problems with some of the prospective Republican nominees. When we only have one candidate, the polls will reflect what is actually going to happen.

Starbuck
02-20-2012, 01:04 PM
And you can go to this site, and see how Bush trailed Kerry/Edwards through most of 2004. Almost right up to the end, or about August. But Bush never got much more than his approval rating. I think the approval rating shows an awful lot about a candidate.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/bush_vs_kerry_historical.html

Rockntractor
02-20-2012, 01:14 PM
kneel and kiss the ring 2012

http://nicolations.followersofyah.com/nav/pope/Kissing-Popes-Ring.jpg

I'm going to start moving your crap to the whiny zone, Nova128.

AmPat
02-20-2012, 01:32 PM
Not lately. His latest kick is that prenatal testing is bad because it can lead to abortion. He's okay with sonograms, but thinks "government shouldn't require them." Since states are doing EXACTLY that to discourage abortion, the irony's getting a little thick. :rolleyes:

Oh, I see. Something REALLY significant.:rolleyes: What with record unemployment, low economic numbers, stagnant economy, record, bankrupting debt, forced socialism, executive (Unconstitutional) over reach, massive unreported, non-prosecuted corruption, etc, I'm sure glad you're focused on the really important stuff.:rolleyes:

Apache
02-20-2012, 01:32 PM
Do you put stock in them when they give you the result you want? And it isn't just one poll. It's an average of several polls. And even the right leaning poll has Obama ahead.

Poll takers have a result they're looking for...

People's views change over time...

Some will tailor their answers to what the poll taker is looking for...

and finally, this poll is a hypothetical...

These are reasons I don't trust polls... ANY polls :wink:

linda22003
02-20-2012, 01:33 PM
Oh, I see. Something REALLY significant.:rolleyes: What with record unemployment, low economic numbers, stagnant economy, record, bankrupting debt, forced socialism, executive (Unconstitutional) over reach, massive unreported, non-prosecuted corruption, etc, I'm sure glad you're focused on the really important stuff.:rolleyes:

I absolutely agree with you - there are so many real problems now, and THIS is the kind of stuff Santorum is spending his time on! It's ridiculous. I wouldn't be commenting on it if he weren't out there making the speeches. His appearance on Face the Nation yesterday was a jaw dropper. And not in a GOOD way.

AmPat
02-20-2012, 01:34 PM
kneel and kiss the ring 2012

http://nicolations.followersofyah.com/nav/pope/Kissing-Popes-Ring.jpg
Much preferred over the part of O Blah Blah that you want to kiss.

Apache
02-20-2012, 01:34 PM
kneel and kiss the ring 2012

http://nicolations.followersofyah.com/nav/pope/Kissing-Popes-Ring.jpg

Wardrobe jealousy princess?

Novaheart
02-20-2012, 01:36 PM
And another nova post attacking the Catholic church. You're nothing if not predictable. And, of course, you saw no problem with Obama bowing to every foreign leader he's met.

As usual, you have completely missed the forest for the trees. I am not attacking the American Catholic, I am attacking the papacy and those who practice popery. Having gone to Catholic school, I am quite aware that most American Catholics don't give a rat's ass what the pope thinks on any given subject- but Rick Santorum does.

I do a Buddhist/Hindu bow now and then.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BtOgCkqC-Us/TfWq3INMmWI/AAAAAAAAAi0/pfLyepuZQRM/s1600/%25EB%25A6%25AC%25EC%25B2%2598%25EB%2593%259C%25EA %25B8%25B0%25EC%2596%25B42.jpg

Novaheart
02-20-2012, 01:38 PM
Wardrobe jealousy princess?

Naw, when I want to play dress up, I put on a bunch of feathers and beads and call myself a Nanticoke.

Rockntractor
02-20-2012, 01:45 PM
As usual, you have completely missed the forest for the trees. I am not attacking the American Catholic, I am attacking the papacy and those who practice popery. Having gone to Catholic school, I am quite aware that most American Catholics don't give a rat's ass what the pope thinks on any given subject- but Rick Santorum does.

I do a Buddhist/Hindu bow now and then.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BtOgCkqC-Us/TfWq3INMmWI/AAAAAAAAAi0/pfLyepuZQRM/s1600/%25EB%25A6%25AC%25EC%25B2%2598%25EB%2593%259C%25EA %25B8%25B0%25EC%2596%25B42.jpg

http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/Dead20Horse.jpg

AmPat
02-20-2012, 01:48 PM
I absolutely agree with you - there are so many real problems now, and THIS is the kind of stuff Santorum is spending his time on! It's ridiculous. I wouldn't be commenting on it if he weren't out there making the speeches. His appearance on Face the Nation yesterday was a jaw dropper. And not in a GOOD way.
The last "interview" I saw of a GOP candidate never moved beyond the silly, DimoRAT approved, non or made up "issues." They never gave the candidate a choice in answering real questions.

Novaheart
02-20-2012, 01:48 PM
refrigerator artwork

Nice to see you have progressed beyond stick figures. ONly took you 57 years.

Rockntractor
02-20-2012, 01:56 PM
Nice to see you have progressed beyond stick figures. ONly took you 57 years.

http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/Dead20Horse.jpg

linda22003
02-20-2012, 02:06 PM
The last "interview" I saw of a GOP candidate never moved beyond the silly, DimoRAT approved, non or made up "issues." They never gave the candidate a choice in answering real questions.

Santorum chose the topic himself in his speech in Ohio on Saturday. He spoke to a group called the "Ohio Christian Alliance", so presumably he spoke about something he thought would interest them.

Kay
02-20-2012, 02:53 PM
Oh, I see. Something REALLY significant.:rolleyes: What with record unemployment, low economic numbers, stagnant economy, record, bankrupting debt, forced socialism, executive (Unconstitutional) over reach, massive unreported, non-prosecuted corruption, etc, I'm sure glad you're focused on the really important stuff.:rolleyes:

Exactly and all issues that Mitt will be better at handling than any of the others
once the election and inaugural BS is over with and the job really starts. Social
issues can be delt with later after we are back on solid footing foundation-wise.

fettpett
02-20-2012, 04:27 PM
Not lately. His latest kick is that prenatal testing is bad because it can lead to abortion. He's okay with sonograms, but thinks "government shouldn't require them." Since states are doing EXACTLY that to discourage abortion, the irony's getting a little thick. :rolleyes:

What he said was that amniocentesis testing almost always leads the to the doctor suggesting an abortion if there is something wrong, about 100% of the time when Down syndrome is found. This is immoral in his view, nor something the Government should be encouraging. Amniocentesis is dangerous, my wife didn't have it done for any of mine, for the very reason he gave.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/my-child-was-not-stillborn-rick-santorum-gets-heated-with-bob-schieffer-during-prenatal-testing-discussion/


“One of the mandates is they require free prenatal testing in every insurance policy in America,” Santorum said during a campaign stop in Ohio Saturday. “Why? Because it saves money in health care. Why? Because free prenatal testing ends up in more abortions and therefore less care that has to be done, because we cull the ranks of the disabled in our society.”


Schieffer asked:”You sound like you’re saying the purpose of prenatal care is to cause people to have abortions…I think any number of people would say that’s not the purpose at all.”


“The bottom line is that a lot of prenatal tests are done to identify deformities in utero and the customary procedure is to encourage abortion,” Santorum said. Clarifying that he had only referred to prenatal testing, not prenatal care, added: “We’re talking about specifically prenatal testing and specifically amniocentesis, which is a — which is a procedure that creates a risk of miscarriage when you have it and is done for the purposes of identifying maladies of a child in the womb, which in many cases, in fact, most cases, physicians recommend, particularly if there’s a problem, recommend abortion.”

linda22003
02-20-2012, 04:28 PM
What he said was that amniocentesis testing almost always leads the to the doctor suggesting an abortion if their is something wrong, about 100% of the time when Down syndrome is found to be a potential. This is immoral in his view, nor something the Government should be encouraging. Amniocentesis is dangerous, my wife didn't have it done for any of mine, for the very reason he gave.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/my-child-was-not-stillborn-rick-santorum-gets-heated-with-bob-schieffer-during-prenatal-testing-discussion/

A lot of people have it, don't consider it immoral, and don't abort.

fettpett
02-20-2012, 04:33 PM
As usual, you have completely missed the forest for the trees. I am not attacking the American Catholic, I am attacking the papacy and those who practice popery. Having gone to Catholic school, I am quite aware that most American Catholics don't give a rat's ass what the pope thinks on any given subject- but Rick Santorum does.

I do a Buddhist/Hindu bow now and then.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BtOgCkqC-Us/TfWq3INMmWI/AAAAAAAAAi0/pfLyepuZQRM/s1600/%EB%A6%AC%EC%B2%98%EB%93%9C%EA%B8%B0%EC%96%B42.jpg

Ironic coming from someone that bitches about "Arab gods" yet bows to another asian set of ones.

fettpett
02-20-2012, 04:35 PM
A lot of people have it, don't consider it immoral, and don't abort.

yes, a lot of people opt for it, but his POINT was that if there is something "wrong" the doctor will 99% of the time suggest abortion. Why force anyone to cover it, insurance companies or businesses with the coverage when it's something they don't believe in to begin with.

linda22003
02-20-2012, 04:53 PM
yes, a lot of people opt for it, but his POINT was that if there is something "wrong" the doctor will 99% of the time suggest abortion. Why force anyone to cover it, insurance companies or businesses with the coverage when it's something they don't believe in to begin with.

Doctors can suggest, but people make their own decisions. My doctor makes suggestions to me that I don't always follow. The idea that we don't want to cover doctors saying things we don't like them to say is... ridiculous.

Odysseus
02-20-2012, 05:42 PM
Sooner or later (at least by Labor Day), the Republican candidates will stop kicking the shit out of each other and smile for the camera. Things should tighten up, then.

I hate to agree with you, but you're right. At the moment, Obama is benefiting from the lack of focus on him and the infighting among Republicans. However, when the campaign heats up and Obama's record is under scrutiny, his lead will evaporate. The more that he talks, the lower his approval rating gets.

Novaheart
02-20-2012, 06:44 PM
Ironic coming from someone that bitches about "Arab gods" yet bows to another asian set of ones.

Paging Linda! We have a grammar crime here.

fettpett
02-20-2012, 08:24 PM
Paging Linda! We have a grammar crime here.

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

NJCardFan
02-21-2012, 02:21 PM
Oh, I see. Something REALLY significant.:rolleyes: What with record unemployment, low economic numbers, stagnant economy, record, bankrupting debt, forced socialism, executive (Unconstitutional) over reach, massive unreported, non-prosecuted corruption, etc, I'm sure glad you're focused on the really important stuff.:rolleyes:

Abortion is the red herring bogeyman of the left. When all else fails, they throw this out as if it's some kind of game changer.

NJCardFan
02-21-2012, 02:28 PM
I hate to agree with you, but you're right. At the moment, Obama is benefiting from the lack of focus on him and the infighting among Republicans. However, when the campaign heats up and Obama's record is under scrutiny, his lead will evaporate. The more that he talks, the lower his approval rating gets.

That's my guess. Once things get more one on one and Obama's record is called into question forcing him to answer, you'll see the poll numbers start to switch. Come August/September things will be different.