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Carol
02-20-2012, 04:32 PM
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Star Member wyldwolf (34,218 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

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Can liberals really be friends with conservatives?

From an LATimes Op-ed.

My mother had Republican friends. She was a lifelong Democrat, worked with the Adlai Stevenson for president campaign and was a precinct chairman for Hubert Humphrey. She was ashamed of Richard Nixon and thought Ronald Reagan was misguided. Still, she didn't hate Republicans. She disagreed with their politics and they with hers, but she believed people, no matter how they vote, are basically all the same.

I don't agree. I don't want to be friends with someone who is a member of the tea party or is a Newt Gingrich Republican. We are not the same. I equate their political views with thoughtlessness, intolerance and narcissism.

My views on all these things gay marriage, abortion, the war in Iraq, healthcare, education, food stamps, even NPR and PBS funding seem so logical to me. Of course we need to take care of those less fortunate; of course we want everybody to have the joy and legal benefits of a life partner; of course we want every baby to be wanted and every person to be safe, healthy, informed and looking forward to a better future.

These things are no-brainers to me, and it kills me that my neighbor disagrees. I wonder what would happen if he woke up one morning to find that his son had been killed in Iraq or that his 15-year-old daughter was pregnant or that his favorite sister was gay. What if he suddenly lost his job, his wife got cancer, there was no insurance and not much food? I'm not saying I want life to knock him around. But would he still feel that the government shouldn't be helping anybody out?

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-wagman-it-is-not-possible-to-talk-to-conserv-20120219,0,1149982.story



I've had similar talks with my wife who, in a lot of ways, is more liberal than I am but also much more tolerant of Republicans. I asked her this once: If you saw a child, starving and sick, turned away by one of your Republican friends, would you still respect that person? Of course not. Then how can you respect someone who indirectly causes millions of sick and hungry children to go without food and healthcare by their votes for Republicans?


Star Member jillan (28,633 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
2. My soon to be ex is a die hard, faux news watching Republican.

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There was a time when we could get along. Then came hate radio and faux news.

Not any more. A friend of mine explained it best - it's more than politics. It effects the entire way a person looks at the world.

Be thankful you were not in my house when "Obamacare" passed. So jillan can't get along with her husband because because he thinks differently than she does. In fact she's so intolerant that she's getting a divorce because of it.

Star Member Demeter (54,233 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
3. It's even more than not respecting the GOP

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They are dangerous, like rabid animals. They cannot function in a free society because they have no respect for differences, and no ego boundaries to tell them MYOB. They want to be the Deciders. America was founded on the notion that there was no elite class of "deciders", that each decided for himself.

If the GOP cannot work within this meme, then they cannot be functional Americans. They can only be terrorists, destroying the nation and the government.

Reagan was the start of it all. Nixon at least finally bowed to the will of the People. Reluctantly, and with a lot of arm-twisting from his fellow GOP, but he did yield.:rolleyes: talk about not having respect for differences......

Star Member southernyankeebelle (4,183 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
4. Every thing you say is right. But if this country doesn't find a way out of this mess then we just

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should go ahead and divide this country in half like Canada. This democracy was built on cooperation and compromise. Your momma is right. When I am around people who are republicans I don't talk politics. They see me and what I do to help others. I see what they do and how they handle a problem. Some times both help each other. The only way this country seems to unite is when a major problem happens. Sad but it should be this way all the time. Demcrats put it out there to solve. What I see going on in the republican party is back room hiding what they are doing. That has to stop. It is up to republicans to stop it.

Of course.:eek: By doing everything the way the Democrats want it, becasue their policies of spending more and more money have been oh so successful.

fettpett
02-20-2012, 04:42 PM
um...yes...I have a lot of friends that are libs, get along just fine with them

3rd-try
02-20-2012, 04:57 PM
If you saw a child, starving and sick, turned away by one of your Republican friends, would you still respect that person? Of course not. Then how can you respect someone who indirectly causes millions of sick and hungry children to go without food and healthcare by their votes for Republicans?

I know it's usless...but wyldwolf, why don't you look at any, and all social indicators of the black family unit 20 years prior and 20 years post LBJ's great social "fix-all".

It's jaded, but I see more and more many liberals whose motivation sure looks to be about feeling good about themselves. Otherwise, wouldn't they occasionally research the real results of their policies?

Like in the great union debates....They are totally pro union. But, they have no economically sound(mathematical) way to pay for it. (yea, tax coporations..dumbass)

Odysseus
02-20-2012, 05:06 PM
I find it hard to be friends with people that see me as thoughtless, intolerant and narcissistic, especially since they never listen to why I think the way that I do.

Arroyo_Doble
02-20-2012, 05:14 PM
Yes. My inner circle friends run the spectrum.

michaelsean
02-20-2012, 05:47 PM
Only raving lunatics can't have friends who think differently, and that's what places like the Hive thrive upon. Hey DUmmies, it's your failings. Rational people get along fine with others.

Articulate_Ape
02-20-2012, 06:01 PM
I find it hard to be friends with people that see me as thoughtless, intolerant and narcissistic, especially since they never listen to why I think the way that I do.

You know, if you actually took the time to think about it for once, you'd realize that you can't tolerate me because you believe it's all about you. :tongue:

Rockntractor
02-20-2012, 06:22 PM
It depends on the degree of friendship and also the importance of politics to the liberal.

Zathras
02-20-2012, 06:34 PM
If someone puts their politics ahead of their friends then I don't want to have anything to do with someone that shallow and petty. Which is why I could never be friends with anyone at the DUmp since every member there in good standing is just that.

Apache
02-20-2012, 07:02 PM
As long as they keep their opinions to themselves. Lefties that can't, don't stand a chance around me....

Dan D. Doty
02-20-2012, 07:58 PM
Fore the most part, DUers and Moonbats in general live in bubbles ( communities of the like minded) , echo chambers ( tv, the internet, media). and as a rule don't like to mix with others who have different ideas, or different lifestyles then themselves.

But if you go by the DU thread presented, The DUers are most intolerent, small mind people I've seen.

Fore me, the people I meet are like a gallery of paintings, each different and unique.

The Moonbats on the other hand want to be in a house of mirrors; everyone is just a reflexion of themselves.

Rockntractor
02-20-2012, 08:03 PM
What is the best thing for DU liberals, this!:Dissolve:http://planetsmilies.net/party-smiley-17172.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)

FlaGator
02-20-2012, 09:18 PM
I have friends and relatives who are liberal and we manage to get along just fine. From time to time we have a spirited debate but our relationship transcends political leanings.

Now this just jumped out at me

I wonder what would happen if he woke up one morning to find that his son had been killed in Iraq or that his 15-year-old daughter was pregnant or that his favorite sister was gay.

I have a step son and a son in-law both about to be deployed to Afghanistan over the next few months. If one or both died in service to this country I would be heart broken but I would also be proud that they did what their hearts told them to do. They would have given up their lives for protecting the country they loved.

What if I had a daughter or a sister or a brother that I found out was gay. I would still love them. I would let them know that what I thought the live style they were living was wrong but that I still loved them and I would always be welcome in my home and in my life.

Hey Libs, here is a fact that you need to accept, just because someone thinks that something someone else does is wrong doesn't mean they hate that person. If someone stills a loaf of bread to feed his family, I can state that stealing is wrong but still sympathize with that person's need to provide for those he loves. Stating an point of view that is different than yours does not mean that my speech is hate speech.

You libs have gone a long way to destroying any value that might have been found in calling something hate speech by labeling everything you disagree with as hate speech. You people have diluted lots of other important words by using them in ways they weren't intended. Bigotry, racism, elitism, democracy, freedom, tolerance and acceptance come to mind immediately. Way to go guys and gals

Janice
02-20-2012, 09:19 PM
Most people I know are liberal. And so are most of my friends. A few are very good friends. I also have gay/lesbian friends. Very good friends and business assoc. A couple of them are conservative too believe it or not and are also against the militant gay agenda as am I.

So it is no mystery, I am not shy about my conservatism. We have a good laugh sometimes like when I used to call CNN the Clinton News Network a few years back. Now its MSLSD that gets most of the fanfare. :biggrin:

ABC in Georgia
02-20-2012, 09:29 PM
It depends on the degree of friendship and also the importance of politics to the liberal.

I agree Rock ...

Would really like to turn this title around on the Du poster, and ask ....

Can conservatives really be friends with liberals?

To this, I give a ... resounding YES!

Most of my British and Canadian family members are Labor/Liberal folks when it comes to politics. Guess this has given me an advantage over the years of having to deal with the differences in our ideological beliefs..

Meaning strictly ... a system of ideals, that form the basis of economic or political policy. (Thanks dictionary definition! :smile:)

It truly has no bearing on my *feelings* for them in the least. I love them, they are my family!

As for personal friends, must admit about 90% of them are as conservative as I am. The other 10%? They are still as dear to me ... but we do tend to step lightly, or avoid politics altogether.

When in social gatherings, we just have fun and enjoy each other's company. When in need of help of any kind, we are there for each other.

Isn't that the way friendships should be? Otherwise, why bother associating with them in the first place?

Here endeth my sermon! :an: :biggrin:

~ ABC

Tantal
02-27-2012, 04:18 PM
No. I don't associate with such trash.

noonwitch
02-27-2012, 05:22 PM
I find it hard to be friends with people that see me as thoughtless, intolerant and narcissistic, especially since they never listen to why I think the way that I do.


And that can have absolutely nothing to do with politics and everything to do with psychology.