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FlaGator
02-21-2012, 04:12 PM
"This is a spiritual war. And the Father of Lies has his sights on what you would think the Father of Lies would have his sights on: a good, decent, powerful, influential country - the United States of America. If you were Satan, who would you attack in this day and age?"

"He attacks all of us and he attacks all of our institutions."

Santorum made the provocative comments to students at Ave Maria University in Florida.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3s.htm

I am pretty much in agreement with this.

Arroyo_Doble
02-21-2012, 04:54 PM
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3s.htm

I am pretty much in agreement with this.

How about this:




"We look at the shape of mainline Protestantism in this country and it is in shambles, it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it."

Apache
02-21-2012, 05:07 PM
How about this:




"We look at the shape of mainline Protestantism in this country and it is in shambles, it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it."

Ok Oreo... drop the gotcha you're holding on to...

Apache
02-21-2012, 05:12 PM
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3s.htm

I am pretty much in agreement with this.

I can see why too. Every decent thing in this country seems to be under a barrage attack. As our three resident "Progressive"(or has the term changed?) members keep singing about...

FlaGator
02-21-2012, 05:13 PM
How about this:


"We look at the shape of mainline Protestantism in this country and it is in shambles, it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it."


I don't have an issue with that either.

Keep in mind that I'm a Episcopalian and in the upper tiers of the TEC hierarchical structure resides the most godless bunch of pagans and gnostics to every call themselves Christians. I can think of very few elements of common Christian doctrine that they haven't cast aside. Christian beliefs are to stand as an alternative to secular culture. The new Episcopals instead have embraced watered down version secular humanism that would cause Jesus to turn over in His tomb if He had a Tomb to turn over in. :wink:

Arroyo_Doble
02-21-2012, 05:26 PM
I don't have an issue with that either.

Keep in mind that I'm a Episcopalian and in the upper tiers of the TEC hierarchical structure resides the most godless bunch of pagans and gnostics to every call themselves Christians. I can think of very few elements of common Christian doctrine that they haven't cast aside. Christian beliefs are to stand as an alternative to secular culture. The new Episcopals instead have embraced watered down version secular humanism that would cause Jesus to turn over in His tomb if He had a Tomb to turn over in. :wink:


Wow.

Was it the prayers for the poor, the lonely, and the oppressed that pissed you off?

FlaGator
02-21-2012, 06:21 PM
Wow.

Was it the prayers for the poor, the lonely, and the oppressed that pissed you off?

It was among other things

1) the endorsement of abortion
2) the ordination of non-celebate gay priests and bishops
3) the acceptence of same-sex marriages despite scripture stating otherwise
4) putting intuition over the authority of scripture
5) the law suits against parishes that wanted to leave the church with their property
6) the re-interpretation of Episcopal Canon to mean whatever it is they want it to mean
7) stating that Christ was not the only way to God despite Jesus stating otherwise
8) ordaining a known pedaphile, defrocked priest as an Episcopal Priest and acting surprised when he abused more children
9) removing the mascline references to God and Christ

I'm not even warmed up yet. Should I continue?

Did you know that TEC generally sues parishes that wish to leave under the pretext that they are protecting the assets of the greater church and then are often forced to sell the property in order to pay for the legal expenses it took take the buildings away from the people who wanted to leave?

Would you like more information?

Arroyo_Doble
02-21-2012, 06:23 PM
It was among other things

1) the endorsement of abortion
2) the ordination of non-celebate gay priests and bishops
3) the acceptence of same-sex marriages despite scripture stating otherwise
4) putting intuition over the authority of scripture
5) the law suits against parishes that wanted to leave the church with their property
6) the re-interpretation of Episcopal Canon to mean whatever it is they want it to mean
7) stating that Christ was not the only way to God despite Jesus stating otherwise
8) ordaining a known pedaphile, defrocked priest as an Episcopal Priest and acting surprised when he abused more children
9) removing the mascline references to God and Christ

I'm not even warmed up yet. Should I continue?

Did you know that TEC generally sues parishes that wish to leave under the pretext that they are protecting the assets of the greater church and then are often forced to sell the property in order to pay for the legal expenses it took take the buildings away from the people who wanted to leave?

Would you like more information?

No. I am at Ground Zero on that Iker argument.

Articulate_Ape
02-21-2012, 08:37 PM
Given the situation this country is in, I can't believe this is even being talked about. Talk about deck chairs on the Titanic. Wow.

SaintLouieWoman
02-21-2012, 10:38 PM
Given the situation this country is in, I can't believe this is even being talked about. Talk about deck chairs on the Titanic. Wow.

Here's hoping the Republicans do better after one of the field is chosen. We don't need to get into the religious wars. I thought one of the first things we learn is to not get into religious discussions socially. That applies to politics, too.

We can't fall into the hands of the Obama-ites and their minions, the press. They're twisting Santorum's words and trying to demonize him like they did Michelle Bachman. Next will come his face on the cover of Time or Newsweek, wearing his little vest with a demonic look on his face.

We need to hit them on bread and butter issues---and survival ones. That 80% proposed drop in our nuclear arsenal could start the discussion, then morph into oil prices and the phony job statistics. They should shout from the rooftops "Can we afford another 4 years?"

The search for the birth certificate and the discussions of who is a Christian need to stop. It's divisive and being used against us.

Articulate_Ape
02-21-2012, 10:42 PM
Here's hoping the Republicans do better after one of the field is chosen. We don't need to get into the religious wars. I thought one of the first things we learn is to not get into religious discussions socially. That applies to politics, too.

We can't fall into the hands of the Obama-ites and their minions, the press. They're twisting Santorum's words and trying to demonize him like they did Michelle Bachman. Next will come his face on the cover of Time or Newsweek, wearing his little vest with a demonic look on his face.

We need to hit them on bread and butter issues---and survival ones. That 80% proposed drop in our nuclear arsenal could start the discussion, then morph into oil prices and the phony job statistics. They should shout from the rooftops "Can we afford another 4 years?"

The search for the birth certificate and the discussions of who is a Christian need to stop. It's divisive and being used against us.

Spot on, SLW.

linda22003
02-22-2012, 09:21 AM
Here's hoping the Republicans do better after one of the field is chosen. We don't need to get into the religious wars. I thought one of the first things we learn is to not get into religious discussions socially. That applies to politics, too.

We can't fall into the hands of the Obama-ites and their minions, the press. They're twisting Santorum's words and trying to demonize him like they did Michelle Bachman. Next will come his face on the cover of Time or Newsweek, wearing his little vest with a demonic look on his face.

We need to hit them on bread and butter issues---and survival ones. That 80% proposed drop in our nuclear arsenal could start the discussion, then morph into oil prices and the phony job statistics. They should shout from the rooftops "Can we afford another 4 years?"

The search for the birth certificate and the discussions of who is a Christian need to stop. It's divisive and being used against us.

It doesn't take a lot of twisting. He SAID this shit, and it's inconveniently on tape. This is a losing strategy.

Odysseus
02-22-2012, 10:12 AM
Here's hoping the Republicans do better after one of the field is chosen. We don't need to get into the religious wars. I thought one of the first things we learn is to not get into religious discussions socially. That applies to politics, too.

We can't fall into the hands of the Obama-ites and their minions, the press. They're twisting Santorum's words and trying to demonize him like they did Michelle Bachman. Next will come his face on the cover of Time or Newsweek, wearing his little vest with a demonic look on his face.

We need to hit them on bread and butter issues---and survival ones. That 80% proposed drop in our nuclear arsenal could start the discussion, then morph into oil prices and the phony job statistics. They should shout from the rooftops "Can we afford another 4 years?"

The search for the birth certificate and the discussions of who is a Christian need to stop. It's divisive and being used against us.

Obama's minions will twist any Republican's words, and if they can't, they will make stuff up. The core principle of this election is power: The Democrats want to keep it, and will use it to enforce their rigid orthodoxy on the rest of us. They are theocrats, but their theology is socialism, and they will use every tool and weapon at their disposal to retain the power to impose it. We have to make the case that they cannot be trusted with power, and that the unconstitutional concentration of power in the federal government is a perpetual temptation to tyrants.

Janice
02-22-2012, 10:44 AM
Here's hoping the Republicans do better after one of the field is chosen. We don't need to get into the religious wars. I thought one of the first things we learn is to not get into religious discussions socially. That applies to politics, too.

We can't fall into the hands of the Obama-ites and their minions, the press. They're twisting Santorum's words and trying to demonize him like they did Michelle Bachman. Next will come his face on the cover of Time or Newsweek, wearing his little vest with a demonic look on his face.

We need to hit them on bread and butter issues---and survival ones. That 80% proposed drop in our nuclear arsenal could start the discussion, then morph into oil prices and the phony job statistics. They should shout from the rooftops "Can we afford another 4 years?"

The search for the birth certificate and the discussions of who is a Christian need to stop. It's divisive and being used against us.

Yes, this election must be about 0bama. And about his record. The sooner the front runner is chosen, the sooner this will be the case. But the attacks by the GOP and Romney against other republicans has never been fiercer. And candidates are going to respond.

And I cant find any fault with what Santorum said. But they will twist it, just as they themselves are twisted.

Novaheart
02-22-2012, 11:15 AM
I don't have an issue with that either.

Keep in mind that I'm a Episcopalian and in the upper tiers of the TEC hierarchical structure resides the most godless bunch of pagans and gnostics to every call themselves Christians. I can think of very few elements of common Christian doctrine that they haven't cast aside. Christian beliefs are to stand as an alternative to secular culture. The new Episcopals instead have embraced watered down version secular humanism that would cause Jesus to turn over in His tomb if He had a Tomb to turn over in. :wink:

The Anglican communion has evolved and promises to be the dominant civic church. As Christian mythology evolves into essential cultural traditions rather than an actual belief in gods and monsters, the Anglican communion will absorb other non-religious churches whose congregations wish a more textured experience.

Buddhist philosophy has reportedly made tremendous inroads in seminary trained clerics.

Molon Labe
02-22-2012, 12:20 PM
Given the situation this country is in, I can't believe this is even being talked about. Talk about deck chairs on the Titanic. Wow.

I'm very much in agreement with Santorums assessment. But I completely agree with you. This country is going down the tube for far bigger reasons. If we don't get our house in order then you can kiss fixing social issues goodbye.

However, I have finally realized that using force to implement "Christian social values" is not Christlike.

If American's are going to be moral, they must choose to be so. Christ didn't beat the rich man into submitting to his will.

Novaheart
02-22-2012, 12:47 PM
We can't fall into the hands of the Obama-ites and their minions, the press. They're twisting Santorum's words and trying to demonize him like they did Michelle Bachman. Next will come his face on the cover of Time or Newsweek, wearing his little vest with a demonic look on his face.

What is to twist? I heard the audio of the Satan Is Coming For America routine at Ave Pizzeria University on the Todd Schnitt radio show. No twist is required- the man is as batty as Bachman ever dared to be, and actually makes her look competent in other areas.






The search for the birth certificate and the discussions of who is a Christian need to stop. It's divisive and being used against us.


I think religious questions are perfectly legitimate and can't imagine how anyone who thinks that religion is essential can turn around and declare that a person's religion isn't important.

Obama belonged to a whacked out church- that was and is an issue. Jeremiah Wright is unrepentant, he's just as angry, racist, and belligerent now as he was before.

Mitt Romney is either a devout Mormon or he needs to explain why ge gives so much money to a church he doesn't believe in. LDS is bullshit, it's even more bullshit than other mythologies because it was made up in the last 150 years and doesn't have the aspect of mysterium tremendum. We bitch about Islam being a political and economic system, and that is precisely what LDS is in the microcosm. They are an insular and secretive cult which does business, charity, and social services on the inside for the benefit of their own.

Rick Santorum is a nutbag who believes in demonic possession and a real person named Satan.

Retread
02-23-2012, 12:05 AM
If Santorum ends up as the candidate, the little o has won another 4 years.

Articulate_Ape
02-23-2012, 12:10 AM
If Santorum ends up as the candidate, the little o has won another 4 years.

This may be sadly true.

Rockntractor
02-23-2012, 12:26 AM
If Santorum ends up as the candidate, the little o has won another 4 years.

Let me see if I have the logic right here, if the winner and most popular candidate is Rick Santorum, he has less chance to win the popular vote over Obama than one of our less popular people that couldn't get enough votes to win the primaries.http://planetsmilies.net/confused-smiley-17480.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)

Novaheart
02-23-2012, 01:42 AM
Let me see if I have the logic right here, if the winner and most popular candidate is Rick Santorum, he has less chance to win the popular vote over Obama than one of our less popular people that couldn't get enough votes to win the primaries.http://planetsmilies.net/confused-smiley-17480.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)

Only 600,000 Republicans voted in the Florida primary. That's a miserable turn out.

Santorum was all puffed up because he claimed three victories in three states totaling fewer voters than Tulsa has by itself.

So yeah, he can win the primary and lose the Presidential contest. Give or take a third of the American vote is Republican. For either a Democrat or a Republican to win, he needs all of the votes of his own party and either half of the independents or some combination of independents and crossover votes. Santorum can't do that.

FlaGator
02-23-2012, 10:50 AM
The Anglican communion has evolved and promises to be the dominant civic church. As Christian mythology evolves into essential cultural traditions rather than an actual belief in gods and monsters, the Anglican communion will absorb other non-religious churches whose congregations wish a more textured experience.

Buddhist philosophy has reportedly made tremendous inroads in seminary trained clerics.

The majority of the Anglican Church is opposed to same sex marriage and the Episcopal Church as the U.S. representative of the Anglican Church is bleeding membership to the point that in 20 years or so it may not even be considered a viable Church. What it is becoming is a civic organization along the lines of 4-H or the Shiners. It is quickly casting aside any distinctions that set it apart as an alternative to the secular culture.

As a Church embraces the secular culture it looses its identity as a place of worship. Why should a person choose to get up every Sunday morning when they could sleep in and go to a monthly meeting of the Kiwanis' Club instead?

I won't argue that the Eastern philosophies haven't polluted much of western Christendom via the western liberal seminaries. It doesn't make it right or it doesn't mean that they have become enlightened. It simply means they have exchanged the truth for a lie as Christ as predicted they would. This is the point of the gay agenda, I believe, when it comes to Christianity. To dilute the message of God and pervert it in such a way that society if fooled in to thinking that it is doing God's will. Christian beliefs call homosexuality a sin and it does this in no uncertain terms. When one doesn't wish to repent from a sin that he or she enjoys then the options are to either reject the belief system or pervert it to say something more favorable.

This is not only true of the homosexual feelings of religion, I don't want you to think that I am picking specifically on gays and lesbians. There are lots of area's of our schizophrenic culture that can't let go of the things they suspect in their heart are wrong so which to change rules of society to make those things right? NAMBLA argues for the acceptance of pedophilia. If they manage to convince society that it is ok does that make pedophilia right? Some countries are changing the laws that ban incest, does that make incest ok?

Moral relativism has shone itself to be a philosophical failure so in order to keeping doing the bad things people want to do, many in society have decided to redefine what is ethically acceptable. Change the ethics and the morals will follow. If the moral bar is set to high for some then lower if for all is what society is now all about. Cater to the lowest common denominator instead of helping them to raise up.

I guess I went a bit off tangent. Please forgive me.

Arroyo_Doble
02-23-2012, 11:01 AM
I don't know which Episcopal church you go to but from my experience, you are way off.

Do you guys not even have communion?

Molon Labe
02-23-2012, 11:03 AM
Let me see if I have the logic right here, if the winner and most popular candidate is Rick Santorum, he has less chance to win the popular vote over Obama than one of our less popular people that couldn't get enough votes to win the primaries.http://planetsmilies.net/confused-smiley-17480.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)


Rock....Energizing the base is very important, but it doesn't cause the tipping point in elections. Independent votes win POTUS elections. That's how Reagan won, and that's how Bush won. It's also how Obama won. Santorum is extremeley polarizing to them. You would possibly see another 19% point loss like the thumping he took in PA.

I'm so sure that Santorum can't beat Obama that If Santorum wins the nomination, and beats the big O, I'll change my avatar to whatever you want for a year if he wins. Even your little piggy. :biggrin-new:

Rockntractor
02-23-2012, 11:11 AM
Rock....Energizing the base is very important, but it doesn't cause the tipping point in elections. Independent votes win POTUS elections. That's how Reagan won, and that's how Bush won. It's also how Obama won. Santorum is extremeley polarizing to them. You would possibly see another 19% point loss like the thumping he took in PA.

I'm so sure that Santorum can't beat Obama that If Santorum wins the nomination, and beats the big O, I'll change my avatar to whatever you want for a year if he wins. Even your little piggy. :biggrin-new:

Yes but you think if Ron Paul could get past his 10% support in the Republican party he could go on to beat Obama and you call me irrational.

Molon Labe
02-23-2012, 12:22 PM
Yes but you think if Ron Paul could get past his 10% support in the Republican party he could go on to beat Obama and you call me irrational.


Nope...not calling anyone irrational. Paul pulls in independents though he probably isn't going to win the nomination. 10% is pretty good since he' completely ignored by the media. He also pulls in disenfranchised Democrats who are disillusioned with Obama. Neither Gingrich, Romney or Santy do this. Forget the polls, these are the realities of POTUS politics.

Rockntractor
02-23-2012, 12:35 PM
Nope...not calling anyone irrational. Paul pulls in independents though he probably isn't going to win the nomination. 10% is pretty good since he' completely ignored by the media. He also pulls in disenfranchised Democrats who are disillusioned with Obama. Neither Gingrich, Romney or Santy do this. Forget the polls, these are the realities of POTUS politics.

10 % is meaningless although it is better than the 3% he got last time. At this rate of improvement he should be able to win when he is 100.

Molon Labe
02-23-2012, 12:52 PM
10 % is meaningless although it is better than the 3% he got last time. At this rate of improvement he should be able to win when he is 100.

Your probably right because the fact that 70% of the GOP voters keep voting for the same ol same ol.... t this rate with the way the GOP likes to keep nominating McCain clones, the Republican party might be defunct by 2016. How unfortunate to conservatives that will be.

Rockntractor
02-23-2012, 12:56 PM
Your probably right because the fact that 70% of the GOP voters keep voting for the same ol same ol.... t this rate with the way the GOP likes to keep nominating McCain clones, the Republican party might be defunct by 2016. How unfortunate to conservatives that will be.

No doubt, why can't the libertarians offer us a viable candidate. Every time we have a libertarian offering they turn out to be a nut sack like Paul.

Novaheart
02-23-2012, 01:17 PM
The majority of the Anglican Church is opposed to same sex marriage

I think that has a great deal to do with Nigeria and oil exports. Yes, I am serious. The Anglican church in Nigeria is in a battle to keep power in the hands of pro-commerce government (Christian identity) and to contain the Muslims who would destroy the oil business and kill any Christians they could get their hands on. If the COE and the Anglican communion go too liberal too fast for Africa to drag itself out of the cave, then there is a huge financial risk for European/American investors. Just my opinion.




As a Church embraces the secular culture it looses its identity as a place of worship. Why should a person choose to get up every Sunday morning when they could sleep in and go to a monthly meeting of the Kiwanis' Club instead?


The Washington Post found that many parishioners at Episcopal churches enjoy the ritual, the connectivity, the fellowship and of course there are the Realtors.




I won't argue that the Eastern philosophies haven't polluted much of western Christendom via the western liberal seminaries. It doesn't make it right or it doesn't mean that they have become enlightened. It simply means they have exchanged the truth for a lie as Christ as predicted they would.

Buddhism isn't so much a philosophy as it is a discipline of morality and logic. It's actually quite stringent, and not all that liberal. It's also much more difficult for a person to examine his every motive than it is to follow a small set of rules while looking for loopholes. Buddhism hasn't polluted Christianity, because both are part of the culture of man and man is evolving in his thought processes. IMO, Buddhism might be speeding up the process, but others can see it as confusing and that too is understandable when one is trained to see in black and white, and Buddhism doesn't feature a great deal in the way of common evil and supernatural demons.




This is the point of the gay agenda, I believe, when it comes to Christianity. To dilute the message of God and pervert it in such a way that society if fooled in to thinking that it is doing God's will. Christian beliefs call homosexuality a sin and it does this in no uncertain terms. When one doesn't wish to repent from a sin that he or she enjoys then the options are to either reject the belief system or pervert it to say something more favorable.

I'm smiling as I read this in the context of your pollution comment. Buddhism not only disapproves of homosexuality, it disapproves of all sex which isn't intended and expected to result in procreation. You just got left out in the cold, didn't you? Most people would. Buddhism regards sex and lust (call it love and marital relations if you like) as a distraction to the path to enlightenment. This is the philosophical reason that Christianity has monastic orders. But most Christians have worked diligently over the last thousand years to find loopholes which permit lust to express itself. And now we even have doctors telling us it's healthy to have sex in the retirement home. Who is actually on the wrong path here?



Some countries are changing the laws that ban incest, does that make incest ok?

Incest is its own topic. The answer to "does that make incest OK?" is that it all depends. Incest is one of those ancient taboos which came to have a modern justification. But from a strictly historical and logical point of view one would have to say that incest must have been OK at some point in history. We know it was OK in Egypt but not in Rome. I can't recall if it was OK in Greece or ancient China. It was OK for the real or imaginary children of the real or imaginary Adam and Eve, and the grandchildren of Noah.



Moral relativism has shone itself to be a philosophical failure ........

Moral relativism is like Political Correctness- the term has come to be a catch-all for those things you disagree with. Your statement taken at face value, I'd have to say is false. All morality is relative which is how we arrive at organic morality or universal morality. Example: The Golden Rule. The Golden Rule is organic morality, which is why you find it in almost every culture. However, the Golden Rule is a gross departure from earlier morality. It is a luxury of a civilization which has evolve beyond the survival of the fittest being the core rule. Survival of the fittest is inherently amoral, but moral relativism is required to install the Golden Rule in a society wher self defense is still necessary. So it is like we have a Golden Rule Club- of those worthy of application of the Golden Rule and those worthy of exclusion.




I guess I went a bit off tangent. Please forgive me.

Forgive? You're having a serious conversation here- I applaud.

Molon Labe
02-23-2012, 01:23 PM
Forgive? You're having a serious conversation here- I applaud.

Fla Gator has been sadly missed around here because he WILL have a serious conversation.

Novaheart
02-23-2012, 01:23 PM
I don't know which Episcopal church you go to but from my experience, you are way off.

Do you guys not even have communion?

My church has communion. I took it for years and might do it again. It's a beautiful if slightly ghoulish ritual, and listening to the organ and doing the walk is a nice break from sit-stand-kneel-sit-stand-kneel and that guy in the caftan who just keeps talking and talking. I'm not ready for a Baptist church with clapping and dancing, but the Episcopal Church could stand to add some animation to the service.

Arroyo_Doble
02-23-2012, 01:26 PM
My church has communion. I took it for years and might do it again. It's a beautiful if slightly ghoulish ritual, and listening to the organ and doing the walk is a nice break from sit-stand-kneel-sit-stand-kneel and that guy in the caftan who just keeps talking and talking. I'm not ready for a Baptist church with clapping and dancing, but the Episcopal Church could stand to add some animation to the service.

I like the parades.

linda22003
02-23-2012, 02:00 PM
My church has communion. I took it for years and might do it again. It's a beautiful if slightly ghoulish ritual

I don't know what's ghoulish about it; what seems odd is the tiny shot glasses of Welchade that other Protestant churches use. Talk about a disappointment.

BadCat
02-23-2012, 02:10 PM
I'll be voting for Rick in the primary.

If only because he scares the moonbats so much.

noonwitch
02-23-2012, 02:47 PM
My church has communion. I took it for years and might do it again. It's a beautiful if slightly ghoulish ritual, and listening to the organ and doing the walk is a nice break from sit-stand-kneel-sit-stand-kneel and that guy in the caftan who just keeps talking and talking. I'm not ready for a Baptist church with clapping and dancing, but the Episcopal Church could stand to add some animation to the service.

The Unity church of which I am a member of, but haven't attended in about a month, occasionally does communion, but they twist it up into a new age ritual and I can't deal with it.

The evangelical megachurch that I've been attending pretty much every week lately celebrates communion every once in a while-it's not an intimate ritual, like at my mom's UCC church. They just pass the trays of bread cubes and the little plastic, disposable cups of Welch's grape juice among the congregation. It's open to anyone attending, but the pastor usually makes a comment to the effect that participating is a re-affirmation of one's decision to follow Christ.

My mom's church-the minister bakes his own bread at home, then the members come forword, break off a piece of bread, dip it in the grape juice and return to their seats. Those who don't want to come forward can remain in their seats and get the wine and grape juice served like the evangelical church, but with washable glass cups instead of disposable plastic cups (I can't count how many times I had to wash those cups out after services, when my mom volunteered me for the duty). Before the current minister came, everyone took communion in their seats, but the current minister has been in that job since 1979. He likes to look his parishioners in the eye when his church celebrates communion.

txradioguy
02-23-2012, 03:42 PM
If Santorum ends up as the candidate, the little o has won another 4 years.

What a bunch of bullshit.

txradioguy
02-23-2012, 03:50 PM
First off Santorum was correct in what he said 3 years ago.


I have no more problem with this than the 18 references to God Reagan made in his famous "Evil Empire" speech.

And it's funny to note how the media is having the exact same reaction to both speeches.


The media and the professional left go all ballistic over Santorum yet at the same time do their level best to downplay and ignore the vitriol disguised as preaching that eminated from the pulpit of Obamas minister Rev Jerimiah Wright.

This whole devil "controversy" is a tempest in a teapot. Something shiny to try and distract voters from the fact Santorum is about to beat the crap out of Willard on Super Tuesday.

txradioguy
02-23-2012, 03:57 PM
Moral relativism has shone itself to be a philosophical failure so in order to keeping doing the bad things people want to do, many in society have decided to redefine what is ethically acceptable. Change the ethics and the morals will follow. If the moral bar is set to high for some then lower if for all is what society is now all about. Cater to the lowest common denominator instead of helping them to raise up.

I guess I went a bit off tangent. Please forgive me.



That part of your post sums things up about how this country is going right now better than any Conservative I've read or listened to in quite somemtime.

You don't need to be apologizing. WE need to be applauding you for what you said.

Well said sir.

Molon Labe
02-23-2012, 04:05 PM
What a bunch of bullshit.

This Goob beat him by 19% points.
http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/congress/members/photos/228/C001070.jpg

I'd be concerned cause what do people think will happen when he goes against a slickster?

Madisonian
02-23-2012, 06:40 PM
The core principle of this election is power: The Democrats want to keep it, and will use it to enforce their rigid orthodoxy on the rest of us. They are theocrats, but their theology is socialism, and they will use every tool and weapon at their disposal to retain the power to impose it. We have to make the case that they cannot be trusted with power, and that the unconstitutional concentration of power in the federal government is a perpetual temptation to tyrants.

The problem is Ody that you can take almost all of this and substitute the Republican party for Democratic party and except for maybe the socialism part (and not always sure about that with things like Medicare Part D and NCLB), the message is just as valid.

Rockntractor
02-23-2012, 07:35 PM
The problem is Ody that you can take almost all of this and substitute the Republican party for Democratic party and except for maybe the socialism part (and not always sure about that with things like Medicare Part D and NCLB), the message is just as valid.

Than take your dolly Madison and go home!:biggrin:

Madisonian
02-23-2012, 07:53 PM
Than take your dolly Madison and go home!:biggrin:

Your raper like wit strikes again.

Odysseus
02-23-2012, 09:08 PM
The problem is Ody that you can take almost all of this and substitute the Republican party for Democratic party and except for maybe the socialism part (and not always sure about that with things like Medicare Part D and NCLB), the message is just as valid.

The Republican Party establishment isn't in it for power so much as scraps. They are perfectly happy to be good losers, as long as they get some time at the trough. That's why they are the first to turn on insurgent conservatives.

txradioguy
02-24-2012, 07:20 AM
This Goob beat him by 19% points.
http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/congress/members/photos/228/C001070.jpg

I'd be concerned cause what do people think will happen when he goes against a slickster?

And that means what exactly? Romney was defeated by a drunken murderer for senate by almost that much. And he didn't even have the balls to defend his status as the Gov of Massachussetts.

Abraham Lincoln lost every action he stood for until he became President.

If you're gonna try and make an intelligent point...try doing it without the approved Romney campaign talking points.

It looks to obvious.

txradioguy
02-24-2012, 07:29 AM
The problem is Ody that you can take almost all of this and substitute the Republican party for Democratic party and except for maybe the socialism part (and not always sure about that with things like Medicare Part D and NCLB), the message is just as valid.

This is just a typical cop out excuse by the 100%'ers.

It's usually used to justify why they are going to sit home and pout on election day.

The Country is going to hell in a handbasket at the hands of an unabashed statist but because some who meets my idiotic standards isn't running I'm staying home.

Fuck the country as long as I feel good. :rolleyes:

Only people with no clue use the moronic "there's no difference between the parties" bullshit.

Madisonian
02-24-2012, 10:06 AM
This is just a typical cop out excuse by the 100%'ers.

It's usually used to justify why they are going to sit home and pout on election day.

The Country is going to hell in a handbasket at the hands of an unabashed statist but because some who meets my idiotic standards isn't running I'm staying home.

Fuck the country as long as I feel good. :rolleyes:

Only people with no clue use the moronic "there's no difference between the parties" bullshit.

And shit for brains weighs in. What took you so long?

Rockntractor
02-24-2012, 10:44 AM
This is just a typical cop out excuse by the 100%'ers.

It's usually used to justify why they are going to sit home and pout on election day.

The Country is going to hell in a handbasket at the hands of an unabashed statist but because some who meets my idiotic standards isn't running I'm staying home.

Fuck the country as long as I feel good. :rolleyes:

Only people with no clue use the moronic "there's no difference between the parties" bullshit.

You have the center and then you have the moonbat center.

Molon Labe
02-24-2012, 10:48 AM
And that means what exactly? Romney was defeated by a drunken murderer for senate by almost that much. And he didn't even have the balls to defend his status as the Gov of Massachussetts.

Abraham Lincoln lost every action he stood for until he became President.

If you're gonna try and make an intelligent point...try doing it without the approved Romney campaign talking points.

It looks to obvious.

lol...you're comparing the current GOP field to Lincoln. :rolleyes:

Molon Labe
02-24-2012, 10:50 AM
This is just a typical cop out excuse by the 100%'ers.

It's usually used to justify why they are going to sit home and pout on election day.

The Country is going to hell in a handbasket at the hands of an unabashed statist but because some who meets my idiotic standards isn't running I'm staying home.

Fuck the country as long as I feel good. :rolleyes:

Only people with no clue use the moronic "there's no difference between the parties" bullshit.


And people like you think the single most important civic duty to change all that is to go down the polling booth one Tuesday every 4 years and cast a ballot.

How's that working out for you?

Arroyo_Doble
02-24-2012, 10:54 AM
And people like you think the single most important civic duty to change all that is to go down the polling booth one Tuesday every 4 years and cast a ballot.

How's that working out for you?

If you go more often, it works out well.

Hell, show up to a few neighborhood association meetings and you will usually see your councilman and state representative. They will talk to you.

txradioguy
02-24-2012, 11:10 AM
And shit for brains weighs in. What took you so long?

That's the same exact thought I had when I read your little whiny "they're all the same" crap.

You must have been looking in the mirror when you hit send...shit for brains.

txradioguy
02-24-2012, 11:13 AM
lol...you're comparing the current GOP field to Lincoln. :rolleyes:

No...that's all your limited reading comprehension allows you to see from what I said.

txradioguy
02-24-2012, 11:19 AM
And people like you think the single most important civic duty to change all that is to go down the polling booth one Tuesday every 4 years and cast a ballot.

Umm no not really. But at least the role myself and others choose to take has a more beneficial and most times useful result.

All you do is throw a tantrum and whine and moan about the candidates then sit at home like a petchulant child and help people like Obama get elected.


How's that working out for you?

A damn site better than its working out for you.

Meshuga Mikey
02-24-2012, 12:02 PM
Santorums words were Prophetic


http://oi44.tinypic.com/i2ki2d.jpg

BadCat
02-24-2012, 12:07 PM
That is one butt-ugly family.

Molon Labe
02-24-2012, 12:26 PM
Umm no not really. But at least the role myself and others choose to take has a more beneficial and most times useful result.

All you do is throw a tantrum and whine and moan about the candidates then sit at home like a petchulant child and help people like Obama get elected.

A damn site better than its working out for you.

lol. I'm doing great. Despite all the shit we get every couple of years in office. You don't have a clue what or how I contribute. The only reason I speculate you do little more than punch a hanging chad every couple of years is that you place so much emphasis on voting for cripes sake!!

I've spent a good deal of my life involved, even directly helped to get a few good Virginian GOP members elected. And that's hard to do today with people like you supporting the RINO walking talking retard with an R by his name because of crap like "he's the only one who can win....or he's the lesser of two evils".

I think you got it backwards. You're the one bitching and moaning about who's in office. Obama is an idiot. So are the GOP candidates being served up.....again. Lucky for me I actually believe and practice the conservative virtue of not relying on the Guvment to solve all my problems.

BadCat
02-24-2012, 12:39 PM
Gentlemen, let's remember we're actually all on the same side here. After all, my new kitten would make a better President than what we have, and my kitten has the advantage of being ALL black.

Hawkgirl
02-24-2012, 03:00 PM
I don't see the big deal. It's just the media trying to hype it up for the sake of hyping. Christianity is the dominant religion in this country, so most believe in the Devil/Satan. Even those who are not Christian, such as Muslim or Jews believe in evil. Some athiests believe in a negative energy which could be construed as evil. Liberals view Republicans as evil and state so repeatedly.

So once again, we have faux outrage from the media. Shocker.

Madisonian
02-24-2012, 04:24 PM
The Republican Party establishment isn't in it for power so much as scraps.

I can't really agree with that. When the Republicans are in power, they want to hold onto it as much as the Democrats do when they are in


They are perfectly happy to be good losers, as long as they get some time at the trough. That's why they are the first to turn on insurgent conservatives.
Again, I disagree. I don't think it is that they are happy to be good losers, they just don't know how to stay winners once they get there. I think much of this has to do with constantly running on a platform that hooks in the faithful and the hopeful and then not following through with the commitment. And conservatives being less "means justifies the ends" driven than their liberal counterparts, will not blindly follow someone that has back peddled on their principles. We may end up voting for them on a lesser of evils basis, but that does not mean we have to like it.

Look at the last election. It was not until McCain picked Palin that he started to get a decent following. People remembered the McCain Feingold Campaign Finance reform as well as the McCain - Kennedy Immigration Reform and his "reaching across the aisle" was seen as kissing Democrat ass. Conservatives took selecting Palin as a message that maybe he came back to the fold, but not enough to get him elected.

In the mid-terms, all we heard from the Republican Party was about reining in Obama's spending and all the candidates told us how they were going to hold his feet to the fire, Bachmann had her Constitution classes and they had their reading select portions on the floor and for all of that, they still raised the debt ceiling and gave away more cash that they don't have.

Despite what the literacy challenged from Texas may think, I have never said that I have my own ideological purity test that a candidate must meet before I will give them my vote. I will vote for the Republican candidate this time around, just as I did with Dole in 96 and McCain in 08 because I do believe that anyone would be better than the current occupant and until something changes we are stuck with the 2 party system of viable candidates.
But again, that does not mean I have to like it and I certainly am not going to accept it in silence.

djones520
02-26-2012, 09:34 PM
Given the situation this country is in, I can't believe this is even being talked about. Talk about deck chairs on the Titanic. Wow.

Amen. As a secular conservative, this stuff has been turning me off. The man is entitled to his religious beliefs, I'll back that all the way. But there is so many other issues that truly take precedence of things like this that he should be talking about. I'd rather hear his plans on how he's going to combat 15 trillion in debt, or Iran, or one of the other countless tangible issues our country is facing.