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Rockntractor
02-22-2012, 11:50 AM
White House press secretary Jay Carney first says Republicans "forced" President Obama to deny the permit for the Keystone XL pipeline. Later in his press briefing, Carney says Obama didn't turn down the pipeline.

"In terms of Keystone, as you all know, the history here is pretty clear. And the fact is because Republicans decided to play political with Keystone, their action essentially forced the administration to deny the permit process because they insisted on a time frame in which it was impossible to completely approve the pipeline," Carney said when asked about the pipeline by ABC News' Jake Tapper.

Later in the briefing, Carney says it is the Republicans' fault.

Jake Tapper: "How can you say that you have an all the above on approach if the President turned down the Keystone pipeline? And you blame the Republicans for making it political."

Carney: "But the President didn't turn down the Keystone pipeline. There was a process in place, with long precedent, run out of the State Department because of the issue of the pipeline crossing an international boundary, that required an amount of time for proper for review after an alternate route was deemed necessary through Nebraska at the request of the Republican Governor of Nebraska and other stakeholders in Nebraska and the region that needed to play out, to be done appropriately. You can't review and approve a pipeline, the route for which doesn't even exist.

"The Republicans were the ones who unfortunately decided because they were looking for scalps, I guess, or wins in a situation where they somehow found themselves on the wrong side of cutting taxes for 160 million Americans last December. They decided to play politics with this decision and attack the payroll tax cut extension. Even though it was made clear by the State Department that doing so would make it impossible for them to conduct the review responsibly, they did it anyway knowing what the result would be."
Video at link>http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/02/21/carney_obama_didnt_turn_down_the_keystone_pipeline .html
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Arroyo_Doble
02-22-2012, 12:11 PM
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Has the route been finalized?

Rockntractor
02-22-2012, 01:09 PM
Has the route been finalized?

If you have a point to make make it, I'm not playing your fucking games.

NJCardFan
02-22-2012, 01:20 PM
If you have a point to make make it, I'm not playing your fucking games.

You already did.

Odysseus
02-22-2012, 01:23 PM
Has the route been finalized?

Is the the meme on the left now? That the route wasn't finalized, and therefore the pipeline couldn't be approved?

If that's the best that you've got, then you're flailing.

Starbuck
02-22-2012, 01:23 PM
It's all part of the plan to claim the Republicans are actually in charge and are to blame.

Today, a new corporate tax was introduced. Same ol' story. Obama claims that he wants to reduce taxes on corporations in order to "make things fair". Republicans will not vote on it. Obama will blame the Republicans for blocking something he needs in order to "restore the American economy."

The key?...The bill doesn't reduce taxes at all. It reduces taxes and then reduces deductions resulting in the same tax bill as before.
http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-obama-corporate-taxes-20120222,0,4725599.story

Rockntractor
02-22-2012, 01:24 PM
You already did.

True, more time than he was worth.:biggrin:

Rockntractor
02-22-2012, 01:26 PM
Is the the meme on the left now? That the route wasn't finalized, and therefore the pipeline couldn't be approved?

If that's the best that you've got, then you're flailing.

Everything he argues is shot down, all he does is flail through every subject, all the while claiming some sort of superiority over the rest of us. I am tired of him!

Arroyo_Doble
02-22-2012, 01:37 PM
I guess not.

Odysseus
02-22-2012, 02:13 PM
I guess not.

You guess? You don't know for sure? What's wrong, weren't the DNC talking points posted?

fettpett
02-22-2012, 02:34 PM
Has the route been finalized?

http://www.transcanada.com/keystone_pipeline_map.html

Arroyo_Doble
02-22-2012, 02:46 PM
http://www.transcanada.com/keystone_pipeline_map.html

Conflicting information.




Though the president just rejected a permit for the controversial project, Nebraska Gov. Dave Heineman told Fox News that he expects to send the Obama administration a new proposed route for the pipeline well before Election Day.

"I fully expect we could get it done certainly in the early September, August time frame," the governor told Fox News on Thursday. "I would send the letter back to the president of the United States saying we approve it and if he were decisive, he could turn around and approve it shortly thereafter, well before the November election."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/19/nebraska-gov-heineman-expects-to-ask-obama-for-keystone-decision-before/#ixzz1n8bS0DmJ


Although the governor of Nebraska doesn't think it is necessary for The United States to wait for the final route before signing off on the project.

fettpett
02-22-2012, 02:58 PM
you wanted to know the path, w/e they decide, it'll be more or less along the same path, a few minor adjustment due to some stupid butterfly or something isn't going to matter one hill of beans

Odysseus
02-22-2012, 03:46 PM
Conflicting information.


Though the president just rejected a permit for the controversial project, Nebraska Gov. Dave Heineman told Fox News that he expects to send the Obama administration a new proposed route for the pipeline well before Election Day.

"I fully expect we could get it done certainly in the early September, August time frame," the governor told Fox News on Thursday. "I would send the letter back to the president of the United States saying we approve it and if he were decisive, he could turn around and approve it shortly thereafter, well before the November election."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/19/nebraska-gov-heineman-expects-to-ask-obama-for-keystone-decision-before/#ixzz1n8bS0DmJ


Although the governor of Nebraska doesn't think it is necessary for The United States to wait for the final route before signing off on the project.
The reason for a new route is that environmentalists opposed the construction, which the State Dept. had already approved. If Obama hadn't decided to play politics with this, the approved route would have been used.


But Heineman disputes any suggestion that the federal government needs lots of time to review his state's new study. He said the project already received initial approval from the State Department for the earlier route, before the department backed off upon objections from environmentalists.

As Obama rejected the permit for Keystone saying there wasn't enough time to review at the federal level, Heineman questioned why -- since the state and the company have already agreed to reroute the pipeline through a less sensitive area.

"So again, the State Department had already approved the route that was much more environmentally sensitive, and so in my view, he should have said 'yes' to allow this to move forward. There's so much at stake for this country," he said.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/19/nebraska-gov-heineman-expects-to-ask-obama-for-keystone-decision-before/#ixzz1n8rOS5LO

Starbuck
02-22-2012, 03:53 PM
They will never settle on a route. It'll be "approved" and all ready to go, but those pesky ol' Republicans just won't let it through because "they and their splinter groups" keep filing suite.:smile:

NJCardFan
02-22-2012, 04:17 PM
As Obama rejected the permit for Keystone saying there wasn't enough time to review at the federal level
My my the hypocrisy level in this pack of BS is at critical levels. So, he didn't want to sign a bill that would have created thousands of jobs but the stimulus boondoggle was passed before even one page was read. Hell, Pelosi said it needed to be passed so they could see what was in it.

Rockntractor
02-22-2012, 04:30 PM
And yet another fail for the all knowing Doblow. Who saw that coming?http://planetsmilies.net/violent-smiley-1614.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)

RobJohnson
02-22-2012, 05:33 PM
You guess? You don't know for sure? What's wrong, weren't the DNC talking points posted?

:biggrin:

DumbAss Tanker
02-22-2012, 06:24 PM
It's amazing that even a lying, smarmy shitbird like Carney can say that without laughing.

Madisonian
02-22-2012, 07:44 PM
Has the route been finalized?

Not sure how they can finalize the route unless TransCanada has already purchased the land to run the pipeline.
Unless they are planning to get the state and federal governments to use eminent domain to get the land for them even though TransCanada is a private company.
Well, it worked with Kelo and I know how happy Conservatives were about that.

Articulate_Ape
02-22-2012, 07:56 PM
Not sure how they can finalize the route unless TransCanada has already purchased the land to run the pipeline.
Unless they are planning to get the state and federal governments to use eminent domain to get the land for them even though TransCanada is a private company.
Well, it worked with Kelo and I know how happy Conservatives were about that.

I agree. That aspect of this thing makes it less cut and dry to me as a Constitutionalist conservative. At the same time, Carney is lying through his teeth about this and his body language shows it.

Madisonian
02-22-2012, 08:12 PM
I agree. That aspect of this thing makes it less cut and dry to me as a Constitutionalist conservative. At the same time, Carney is lying through his teeth about this and his body language shows it.

I have no doubt that Carney is playing the pants on fire game. At the same time I have no doubt that TransCanada will use every means to twist governmental arms to get the land they want whether or not the owners want to sell it to them.

This particular statement from their "Landowner Relations" page...


All landowners will receive fair and equitable compensation for the land easements granted and TransCanada will work closely with them to identify special circumstances, land restrictions, access routes and other construction requirements to minimize disturbance to the land, the landowner and the environment

tells me that if they want your land they will get it one way or another and are not above using any means necessary to get it, even if it is unconstitutional.

Articulate_Ape
02-22-2012, 10:37 PM
I have no doubt that Carney is playing the pants on fire game. At the same time I have no doubt that TransCanada will use every means to twist governmental arms to get the land they want whether or not the owners want to sell it to them.

This particular statement from their "Landowner Relations" page...



tells me that if they want your land they will get it one way or another and are not above using any means necessary to get it, even if it is unconstitutional.

Yes. Therein lies the rub. This is not a black and white situation.

Odysseus
02-22-2012, 10:53 PM
Only a lying, smarmy shitbird like Carney can say that without laughing.
Fixed.

Not sure how they can finalize the route unless TransCanada has already purchased the land to run the pipeline.
Unless they are planning to get the state and federal governments to use eminent domain to get the land for them even though TransCanada is a private company.
Well, it worked with Kelo and I know how happy Conservatives were about that.

They don't buy the land, they purchase easements. The owners retain the land.

Articulate_Ape
02-22-2012, 10:58 PM
Fixed. :D


They don't buy the land, they purchase easements. The owners retain the land.

From what I have read (FWIW) they have also taken legal action to have the land of resistant owners "condemned". Given the state-run media we now have in the US, I don't know what to believe anymore.

Rockntractor
02-22-2012, 10:58 PM
Fixed. :D


They don't buy the land, they purchase easements. The owners retain the land.

I have a gas pipeline running through my property, you don't build on top of it, other than that you forget it's there.
You have to allow easement for electric, water, gas, whatever. sure there are draw backs but the alternative is using a kerosine lamp, riding a horse and washing your clothes by a creek.
Fucking Luddites!

wwworkingguy
02-22-2012, 11:13 PM
Florida Drivers Shelling Out Nearly $6 A Gallon At Some Gas Stations
.....
According to GasBuddy.com, motorists are shelling out $5.89 for a gallon of regular gas at a Shell station in Lake Buena Vista, topping out at $5.99 a gallon for premium. It doesn’t get better at a Suncoast Energy station in Orlando, where drivers are paying $5.79 for a gallon of regular.
.....

http://tampa.cbslocal.com/2012/02/22/florida-drivers-shelling-out-nearly-6-a-gallon-at-some-gas-stations/

We've been dealing with this government obstruction for years. I remember Bubba Clinton said that it takes 10 years to get production going..... blah blah blah blah...... how many years has it been since then?

Madisonian
02-23-2012, 06:49 PM
I have a gas pipeline running through my property, you don't build on top of it, other than that you forget it's there.
You have to allow easement for electric, water, gas, whatever. sure there are draw backs but the alternative is using a kerosine lamp, riding a horse and washing your clothes by a creek.
Fucking Luddites!

Except that the ones you mentioned, also known as utilities, are government controlled monopolies and are subject to state and / or local commissions that regulate the price of the utilities commodity. Is TransCanada allowing the states its pipelines run through set the price of the oil that flows through it?

And somehow if this...
http://www.heatingoil.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/oil_pipeline.jpg
were running through my back yard, I don't think I could forget its there.

Retread
02-23-2012, 06:51 PM
Except that the ones you mentioned, also known as utilities, are government controlled monopolies and are subject to state and / or local commissions that regulate the price of the utilities commodity. Is TransCanada allowing the states its pipelines run through set the price of the oil that flows through it?

And somehow if this...
http://www.heatingoil.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/oil_pipeline.jpg
were running through my back yard, I don't think I could forget its there.

That won't be running through Neb either.

Sorta like these (http://www.eia.gov/pub/oil_gas/natural_gas/analysis_publications/ngpipeline/ngpipelines_map.html) for natural gas - you have to know they are there to know where they are.

Rockntractor
02-23-2012, 07:21 PM
Except that the ones you mentioned, also known as utilities, are government controlled monopolies and are subject to state and / or local commissions that regulate the price of the utilities commodity. Is TransCanada allowing the states its pipelines run through set the price of the oil that flows through it?

And somehow if this...
http://www.heatingoil.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/oil_pipeline.jpg
were running through my back yard, I don't think I could forget its there.

The gas line through my property is not end user it transports raw gas to be processed.

fettpett
02-23-2012, 08:30 PM
And somehow if this...
http://www.heatingoil.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/oil_pipeline.jpg
were running through my back yard, I don't think I could forget its there.

You know why that is like that?

because the ground is too fucking frozen to bury it in Alaska. Even if they could, the ground would thaw too much from the heat of the petroleum moving through it and would move and break.