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RedGrouse
03-01-2012, 08:20 PM
Radical theory of first Americans places Stone Age Europeans in Delmarva 20,000 years ago
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/radical-theory-of-first-americans-places-stone-age-europeans-in-delmarva-20000-years-ago/2012/02/28/gIQA4mriiR_story.html?hpid=z5

Looks like the first Americans are possibly Basque people as the map in the link shows they are from northern Spain and southern France.

Rockntractor
03-01-2012, 08:28 PM
Rabbits predate humans by thousands of years, soon they will take back what is rightfully theirs!http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/animal/animal0030.gif

Novaheart
03-02-2012, 02:08 AM
Watch for hate coming at any theory about Americans who predate "Native Americans". There is a reason that the term "Native American" was created, and this is it. Native American is a culturally aggressive term to keep driving home a single theory that the American Indians are indigenous to this continent. On the other hand, you have the followers of the late Ivan van Sertima who through no scientific process whatsoever decided that Congoid people from Africa were the indigenous people of the Americas. Then you have the way out there American Indians who deny that they are Siberians, this despite the undeniable similarities between the plains Indians and the Itelmens of Kamchatka Peninsula in Russia, a racial hybrid of Caucasoid and Mongoloid.

And when you use reason and fact- like noting that the Virginians did not mention significant physical differences from the extant population, and they obviously didn't look at these folks and say, "Negroes!" , and they drew pictures of them, and a portrait was painted of Pocahontas, well you must be an idiot because EVERYONE KNOWS that this is settle science. The American Indians are indigenous, and they arrived from Asia 15,000 years ago for no apparent reason, because they followed a herd across an ice bridge before shoes were invented. Yeah, that's the tickey.

Chuck58
03-02-2012, 03:10 AM
Congress had a bill proposed that would have changed the definition of "Native American" from being that which "is indigenous to the United States" to "is or was indigenous to the United States." It was never voted on.

If it had passed every race whether Indian, Caucasian, Mongoloid or whatever would have been a Native American if they lived in what is now the United States in prehistoric times.

The bill resulted from Kennewick Man, a Caucasian man whose remains were found a few years ago. He died in Washington State about 10K yrs ago. The fact that he was Caucasian upset the Indians of that area. They tried to claim the remains and stop the study of them, and lost since the skeleton wasn't Indian.

fettpett
03-02-2012, 11:38 AM
there are too many similarities between Old world and New world cultures (pre-Columbian) for there to have been no contact or little evidence that there weren't civilzations that old to have discovered them (As many old maps of the world include both North and South America as well as Antarctica). That and I have a feeling some of their age dating is way off.

NJCardFan
03-02-2012, 12:18 PM
I'm still trying to figure out how the 'experts' figure that Indians were some kind of earth loving peaceful people.

fettpett
03-02-2012, 12:21 PM
I'm still trying to figure out how the 'experts' figure that Indians were some kind of earth loving peaceful people.

haha, right, I was just reading an article about the Mayan's on Io9 that they think the reason they died out was due to their farming techniques...which was essentially hack-n-slash of the rainforest, coupled with nearly a century long drought, wiped them out

Novaheart
03-02-2012, 12:32 PM
haha, right, I was just reading an article about the Mayan's on Io9 that they think the reason they died out was due to their farming techniques...which was essentially hack-n-slash of the rainforest, coupled with nearly a century long drought, wiped them out

I have read a couple of explanations for the demise of the Mayans. One thing they agree upon is that it happened long before Columbus arrived. The Nauhatl people apparently did to the Mayans what the Mexicans are attempting to do to the American people: Move in without being invited, and breed like rabbits until they are in the majority.

One day, an archaeologist will find Los Angeles and San Diego layered in the skeletons of a people who had not the technology to have built them.

Novaheart
03-02-2012, 12:40 PM
Congress had a bill proposed that would have changed the definition of "Native American" from being that which "is indigenous to the United States" to "is or was indigenous to the United States." It was never voted on.

If it had passed every race whether Indian, Caucasian, Mongoloid or whatever would have been a Native American if they lived in what is now the United States in prehistoric times.

The bill resulted from Kennewick Man, a Caucasian man whose remains were found a few years ago. He died in Washington State about 10K yrs ago. The fact that he was Caucasian upset the Indians of that area. They tried to claim the remains and stop the study of them, and lost since the skeleton wasn't Indian.


WIKI:


Ownership controversy

According to the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act, if human remains are found on federal lands and their cultural affiliation to a Native American tribe can be established, the affiliated tribe may claim them. The Umatilla tribe requested custody of the remains, wanting to bury them according to tribal tradition. Their claim was contested by researchers hoping to study the remains.

The Umatilla argued that their oral history goes back 10,000 years and say that their people have been present on their historical territory since the dawn of time,[11] so a government holding that Kennewick Man is not Native American is tantamount to the government's rejection of their religious beliefs.

Robson Bonnichsen and seven other anthropologists sued the United States for the right to conduct tests on the skeleton. On February 4, 2004, the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit panel rejected the appeal brought by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and the Umatilla, Colville, Yakama, Nez Perce and other tribes on the grounds that they were unable to show any evidence of kinship.[2]

On April 7, 2005, during the 109th Congress, United States Senator John McCain introduced an amendment to NAGPRA which (section 108) would have changed the definition of "Native American" from being that which "is indigenous to the United States" to "is or was indigenous to the United States."[12] However, the 109th Congress concluded without enacting the bill. By the bill's definition, Kennewick Man would have been classified as Native American, regardless of whether any link to a contemporary tribe could be found. Proponents of this definition argue that it agrees with current scientific understanding, which is that it is not in all cases possible for prehistoric remains to be traced to current tribal entities, partly because of social upheaval, forced resettlement and extinction of entire ethnicities caused by disease and warfare. Doing so would still not remove the controversy surrounding Kennewick Man as then it would have to be decided which Native American group should take possession of the remains if he could not be definitively linked with a current tribe. To be of practical use in a historical and prehistorical context, some argue further that the term "Native American" should be applied so that it spans the entire range from the Clovis culture (which cannot be positively assigned to any contemporary tribal group) to the Métis, a group of mixed ancestry who only came into being as a consequence of European contact, yet constitute a distinct cultural entity.

The way I read this, had McCain's bill passed, then politics would have triumphed over science and history. All ancient remains would be considered Indian remains, and would then be buried without study. That's bullshit, and I can't imagine why McCain would support such a thing.

fettpett
03-02-2012, 12:40 PM
I have read a couple of explanations for the demise of the Mayans. One thing they agree upon is that it happened long before Columbus arrived. The Nauhatl people apparently did to the Mayans what the Mexicans are attempting to do to the American people: Move in without being invited, and breed like rabbits until they are in the majority.

One day, an archaeologist will find Los Angeles and San Diego layered in the skeletons of a people who had not the technology to have built them.

well yeah it happened long before Columbus...about 1200 years before

http://io9.com/5886796/did-mild-weather-really-destroy-the-mayan-empire
here's the article

their analysis is much more in depth than my comment...as it was probably mostly like any other Empire...mix of social and economic conditions that brought down the Empire.

but it's funny that envrio-nutters think that all the indegiouns peoples were "tree-hugging hippies" like them

Novaheart
03-02-2012, 12:47 PM
but it's funny that envrio-nutters think that all the indegiouns peoples were "tree-hugging hippies" like them

Black studies (Afrocentric studies) activists are teaching kids that Africa was a unified people and culture in peace and harmony with nature prior to invasion by Caucasians. Of course, they also teach them that all of humanity comes from Africa, so how we could invade the place of our origin escapes me... but that's Afrocentrism for you. When they aren't claiming that Caucasians from western Asia invaded Egypt and stole their culture, they claim that the middle eastern people were actually black from Abraham to Christ.