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Teetop
03-03-2012, 09:27 AM
Link. (http://www.democraticunderground.com/101466640)

It couldn't be the OWS people!!!!


Star Member Grassy Knoll
1. So 3 Thugs in Oakland attach themselves to the Occupy movement...

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Did they say they were Occupiers, or did the cops proclaim this ? What was Oakland's excuse before
the Occupy Movement ? WHAT!!! .....Car with Reagan sticker gets tires slashed.....Oh No...Not St. Ronnie. sigh
Bull sit story, but nice try.


Webster Green
2. More likely a case of lying Oakland pigs.

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Sounds like a few punks were roaming around looking for trouble. It would be a stretch to connect them to the occupy movement, based only on the fact that they were found among occupy protesters.

I call bullshit!


vaberella
8. I'm a bit annoyed here.

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People are quick to say these aren't protestors...how the hell do we know. Maybe they were protestors---not all protestors could be good guys. They might not be plants, or GOP drones or shills in disguise and/or thugs. They could be just as sincerely part of the OcOak group who got annoyed by the women.

Dodge that ban hammer vabrerella!

SarasotaRepub
03-03-2012, 10:19 AM
Better get Nadin to do some "fact checking"...:adoration:

Novaheart
03-03-2012, 12:54 PM
I'm not one to defend Occupy Folks, but I do strive for fairness. These three monsters look like crackheads who may have been rational enough to try to justify their actions through class struggle, but would have robbed someone that night whether there was an Occupy movement or not.

BadCat
03-03-2012, 01:01 PM
I'm not one to defend Occupy Folks, but I do strive for fairness. These three monsters look like crackheads who may have been rational enough to try to justify their actions through class struggle, but would have robbed someone that night whether there was an Occupy movement or not.

Crackhead/liberal/progressive/democrat...no difference.

DumbAss Tanker
03-03-2012, 01:30 PM
I'm not one to defend Occupy Folks, but I do strive for fairness. These three monsters look like crackheads who may have been rational enough to try to justify their actions through class struggle, but would have robbed someone that night whether there was an Occupy movement or not.


OK, so you're in the 'Definitely Occupoopers" camp on this...

Novaheart
03-03-2012, 01:40 PM
OK, so you're in the 'Definitely Occupoopers" camp on this...

I would need you to translate that into English before I can respond to it.

However, as a general statement I would say that Occupy Oakland probably doesn't have the same level of political cohesion and intellectual rationality that say, Occupy Toronto might. We have repeatedly seen that Oakland has plenty of people who want little more than an excuse to act in a criminal fashion behind a large group and a political cause.

Odysseus
03-03-2012, 04:12 PM
I'm not one to defend Occupy Folks, but I do strive for fairness.
Anyone else do a spit-take at that?

However, as a general statement I would say that Occupy Oakland probably doesn't have the same level of political cohesion and intellectual rationality that say, Occupy Toronto might. We have repeatedly seen that Oakland has plenty of people who want little more than an excuse to act in a criminal fashion behind a large group and a political cause.

As opposed to all of the other Occupy groups that have been cited for everything from sexual assaults to creating toxic health conditions? Occupy Denver chose a dog as their spokesman (spokes-dog? spokes-canine-American?).

VIOLENCE, ARRESTS, AND THE OCCUPATIONS

The OWS movement's first large-scale clash with law-enforcement occurred on October 1, 2011, when a horde of demonstrators shut down traffic on the Brooklyn Bridge for two-and-a-half hours, a move that resulted in some 700 arrests (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/10/occupy-wall-street-more-than-700-arrested-after-protesters-block-traffic-on-brooklyn-bridge-during-rush-hour/). It should be noted that getting arrested is a calculated OWS tactic; the movement's organizers commonly select their “arrestables (http://trevorloudon.com/2011/10/who’s-behind-occupy-wall-street/)”—i.e., people who project a desired image or demeanor—in advance of a direct action. This is essentially a prescription from the Saul Alinsky (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2314)playbook, which emphasizes the inspiration that a group can experience when some of its members—particularly key figures—are “willing to suffer imprisonment for the cause.”

Another landmark date for OWS was October 15, when rallies were held in many hundreds of cities (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/15/us-protests-idUSTRE79E0FC20111015) around the world. Violence broke out most notably in Rome, where tens of thousands (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/15/us-protests-idUSTRE79E0FC20111015) of protesters converged. According to a Reuters report (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/15/us-protests-idUSTRE79E0FC20111015): “Hundreds of hooded, masked demonstrators rampaged in some of the worst violence seen in the Italian capital in years, setting cars ablaze, breaking bank and shop windows and destroying traffic lights and signposts.” Meanwhile, 175 (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-occupy-chicago-protesters-relocate-to-grant-park-20111015,0,3664663.story)protesters were arrested in Chicago and 92 (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/16/world/occupy-wall-street-protests-worldwide.html?_r=1&hp)were arrested in New York.

The mayhem of October 15 offered evidence that although OWS had publicly professed (http://occupywallst.org/), at its inception, to “encourage (http://www.communityrecords.org/news/?p=4703) the use of nonviolence,” by no means does the movement uniformly deem violence off-limits. No less a personage than OWS organizer Lisa Fithian (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2521), who cites (http://old.nationalreview.com/york/york200508290901.asp) the late-19th and early-20th century anarchist movement in Spain as her inspiration, has candidly declared: “I am not a pacifist (http://biggovernment.com/lstranahan/2011/10/10/meet-the-anarchist-leaders-behind-the-leaderless-occupy-movement-part-one-lisa-fithian/).… I was raised in this culture, which is a very violent culture and I understand that I have some violence in who I am.” Moreover, Fithian once told (http://www.texasgopvote.com/andrew-breitbart/archive-occupy-wall-streets-career-community-organizers-revealed-003405) theInternationalist Socialist Review:


“I have no issue with property destruction. I think sometimes it's appropriate, sometimes it's not. Again, I look at it strategically. Does this help us or does it hurt us? Does it help us achieve our goal, or does it not? We're in a society where property is idolized, so a lot of people don't get it yet that it doesn't really matter. It's just glass or products.”


>snip<

Violence and other forms of criminality (http://biggovernment.com/jjmnolte/2011/10/28/occupywallstreet-the-rap-sheet-so-far/) indeed became commonplace at OWS demonstrations. Among the many documented transgressions: vandalism, extortion, assault, theft, trespass, rape, rioting, computer hacking, sexual perversions, knife attacks, threatened violence, civil disobedience, the use and trafficking of illegal drugs, and public (http://www.breitbart.tv/caught-on-video-occupy-protester-defecates-in-public-street/) urination and defecation (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2046586/Occupy-Wall-Street-Shocking-photos-protester-defecating-POLICE-CAR.html). One cursory search of news stories reporting criminal behavior at OWS locations found hundreds of such incidents (http://biggovernment.com/jjmnolte/2011/10/28/occupywallstreet-the-rap-sheet-so-far/) which had occurred as of November 22, 2011. As of November 15, at least 4,049 (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7694#!/OccupyArrests/status/136643447238037505) OWS protesters had been arrested nationwide.

(http://biggovernment.com/jjmnolte/2011/10/28/occupywallstreet-the-rap-sheet-so-far/)Perhaps the most notable crime committed at an OWS site was a November 10 homicide, where a 25-year-old protester at Occupy Oakland was shot and killed (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/11/shooting-victim-tied-to-occupy-oakland.html) by a man whom other demonstrators described as a “frequent resident” at the camp. Numerous brutal sexual assaults were reported at OWS sites as well, during October and November 2011. At Occupy Cleveland (http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2011/10/18/occupy-cleveland-protester-alleges-she-was-raped/), for instance, a 19-year-old woman was raped (http://video.foxnews.com/v/1225856222001/sexual-assault-occurs-at-occupy-cleveland/) while she was inside her tent. At Occupy Baltimore (http://biggovernment.com/publius/2011/10/31/woman-says-she-was-raped-at-occupybaltimore-begs-for-protest-to-be-shut-down/), a woman was raped and robbed by an assailant who subsequently escaped without detection. In New York (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/protester_busted_in_tent_grope_QxAzp8mG8pULWA6cPzg nXL), an 18-year-old woman was raped by a 26-year-old man who had been working at the protesters’ makeshift kitchen at Zuccotti Park. In yet anotherNew York (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/zuccotti_perv_Qd8v3hCAnspzJ7VGC9nJZP) incident, a female protester was sexually assaulted inside her tent early one morning. In Texas, police initiated an investigation of reports that a 14-year-old girl had been raped by an adult male at the Occupy Dallas (http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/10/24/accusations-of-teen-runaway-sexual-activity-at-occupy-dallas/) encampment. Yet another sexual assault was reported at the Occupy Lawrence (http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2011/oct/25/occupy-lawrence-members-report-crimes-south-park-c/) camp in Kansas. A woman at Occupy St. Louis (http://www.poedpatriot.com/2011/11/possible-sexual-assault-at-occupy-st.html) was raped on November 8, and five days later a 23-year-old woman was raped by a 50-year-old man at Occupy Philadelphia (http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/crime&id=8429956). Nor were such heinous crimes confined solely to OWS sites in the United States. Indeed, a female resident of the Occupy Glasgow (http://news.stv.tv/scotland/west-central/276301-woman-raped-at-glasgow-george-square-protest-camp/) camp in Scotland was sexually assaulted in her tent on October 26.

At the Occupy Phoenix site (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/alleged-flyer-at-occupy-phoenix-ponders-when-should-you-shoot-a-cop/), copies of an “informational” document (http://content.clearchannel.com/cc-common/mlib/3359/10/3359_1319803260.pdf) were distributed to “educate” protesters vis à vis the possible efficacy of violence directed against police officers. Asserting that “far more injustice, violence, torture, theft, and outright murder has been committed IN THE NAME [emphasis original] of 'law enforcement' than has been committed in spite of it,” the document advised:


“When those violently victimizing the innocent have badges, become a cop-killer....The next time you hear of a police officer being killed 'in the line of duty,' take a moment to consider the very real possibility that maybe in that case, the 'law enforcer' was the bad guy and the 'cop killer' was the good guy.”


http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7694

These people are violent morons. Occupy Oakland is the rule, not the exception.