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Janice
03-04-2012, 10:02 PM
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Controversy Over FDNY Exam Workshop (http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/controversy-over-fdny-exam-workshop-20120301)

MYFOXNY.COM - A chaotic scene unfolded outside Middle School 72 in Jamaica, Queens, on Wednesday night as several men who wanted to attend a tutorial workshop for the upcoming FDNY entrance exam were turned away.

These men said it was because they were white. The Workshop was being hosted by the Vulcan Society, a fraternal organization of black firefighters, which apparently only let in people who got a special e-mail.

Fox 5 spoke to a few people who were turned away. They didn't want to be identified, but they said it appeared that only African-American hopefuls were admitted to the event.

A federal judge has ruled the FDNY discriminated in hiring and ordered reforms. But these candidates said they are being unfairly punished.

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Affirmative action ... its not just for those who hate America anymore.

NJCardFan
03-05-2012, 02:16 AM
Switch the races around. Now imagine the klaxon from the left over this happening. That said, I'd like to know more about this. It might have been a program that is trying to encourage blacks to be firefighters. If that's the case than so be it. However, turning people away because they had the wrong skin tone, well, let's just say that 2 wrongs don't make a right.

Novaheart
03-05-2012, 02:24 AM
Switch the races around. Now imagine the klaxon from the left over this happening. That said, I'd like to know more about this. It might have been a program that is trying to encourage blacks to be firefighters. If that's the case than so be it. However, turning people away because they had the wrong skin tone, well, let's just say that 2 wrongs don't make a right.

I'm more than a little interested in the very existence of "a fraternal organization of black firefighters". Is there one of these clubs for every ethnicity?

NJCardFan
03-05-2012, 02:32 AM
I'm more than a little interested in the very existence of "a fraternal organization of black firefighters". Is there one of these clubs for every ethnicity?

Wigga please.

djones520
03-05-2012, 02:35 AM
I'm more than a little interested in the very existence of "a fraternal organization of black firefighters". Is there one of these clubs for every ethnicity?

There is a phillipino club right off base here.

I should form a Scot club, and turn anyone away not wearing a kilt.

Rockntractor
03-05-2012, 02:48 AM
There is a phillipino club right off base here.



It's karaoke too isn't it? Handle On The Law makes Philippine callers sing "peelings".

Odysseus
03-05-2012, 02:51 AM
I'm more than a little interested in the very existence of "a fraternal organization of black firefighters". Is there one of these clubs for every ethnicity?

Except whites. That would be racist, you see...

The FDNY is under a consent decree and has been subjected to all manner of idiocies by a federal judge who has micromanaged their hiring practices for the past decade and inserted himself into the process in so many ways that he has become the de facto hiring manager for the department. He's even instituted quotas. Because of this, the city has been forced to pay massive amounts of overtime in order to make up for the personnel not hired because of this hack. The NY Post has been all over it.


Begone, Garaufis
Last Updated: 12:14 AM, January 22, 2012
Posted: 10:11 PM, January 20, 2012

It’s about time.
The Bloomberg administration has demanded that federal Judge Nicholas Garaufis be removed from the ongoing lawsuit over the Fire Department’s hiring practices.

That lawsuit, says the city, “began as a narrow challenge” to two application exams — but has “been misused” by Garaufis to mount “an unjustified takeover” of the FDNY’s hiring structure.

“Along the way,” writes Corporation Counsel Michael Cardozo in a 139-page filing, Garaufis “lost any semblance of neutrality.”

Indeed, he writes, the “vehemence” of Garaufis’ insistence — in the face of all available evidence — that the city deliberately discriminated against minority candidates raises “substantial doubt” on his ability to fairly continue hearing the case.

Which is putting it mildly.

Clearly the city has finally had it with King Nicholas’ imperious insistence on being not only judge, but also prosecutor and jury, in the Vulcan Society’s 2007 lawsuit.

The only mystery here is why City Hall waited so long — when the record of Garaufis’ bias and irrational behavior has been abundantly clear.

Not to mention his blatant personal grudge against top city officials, particularly Mayor Bloomberg and Fire Commissioner Sal Cassano.

Virtually from the outset, the city says, Garaufis was “bound and determined” to impose “closely supervised ‘top-to-bottom’” court oversight of the FDNY. When the city presented evidence to refute the need for that, he “excluded, struck or ignored it.” When the other side’s evidence fell short, he “found a way to excuse or fix it.”

Typical of Garaufis’ vindictiveness was his personal selection of former Manhattan DA Robert Morgenthau as a special master to oversee the FDNY’s application exams.

Morgenthau, the city noted, “had a long, acrimonious and well-known history of conflict with many city officials directly involved in this case” — which would’ve “created widespread public speculation of partiality.”

Given his “vituperative tone and content,” the city charges, Garaufis “would have adhered to his choice” had Morgenthau not withdrawn after widespread criticism.

Perhaps most troubling is Cardozo’s compilation of Garaufis’ “preoccupation with press coverage” — especially coverage “he perceived as being critical of him.” (If this page provided some of his agita, we couldn’t be happier.)

He’s repeatedly complained about Bloomberg and Cardozo “attacking the court . . . instead of just saying we disagree.”
He even asked Cassano “what steps he would take” if FDNY officials wrote “columns in the newspaper” that “criticized the [court] process” — i.e., Garaufis.

Garaufis long ago lost his moral grasp on this case — by losing control of himself.

His is no more a neutral, impartial party to the proceeding than is the Vulcan Society itself.

But he is supposed to be the judge.

The city has presented a compelling case for his replacement. Here’s hoping the 2nd US Circuit Court of Appeals agrees.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/editorials/begone_garaufis_oEjOfR6y2pFD1jpYKdBdrL#ixzz1oDc3yv OX

Retread
03-06-2012, 12:21 AM
(most) of you guys are welcome to join my organization WORMs - White Old Rich Men.

noonwitch
03-06-2012, 05:33 PM
I'm more than a little interested in the very existence of "a fraternal organization of black firefighters". Is there one of these clubs for every ethnicity?


It is time to do away with those separate professional organizations.


Even in social work, a liberal-dominated profession, there is a NASW and an NABSW. The original reason for the split had to do with interracial adoptions-the NABSW opposed placing black children into white foster and adoptive homes because white children were not placed into black foster and adoptive homes. This was still an issue in 1987 when I started working in the field, and at least in Michigan, it is no longer an issue. Black parents can adopt white kids and white parents can adopt black kids. Now we use religion as a criteria for placement of kids instead of race, because placing kids in the home of someone who doesn't practice the same religion can make things really sticky with the legal parents who are working to get their kids back.

Unlike other black professional organizations, which were founded back in the days of segregation because black people weren't allowed in the official organization for a given profession, the NABSW was a split from the NASW over a specific issue. The NASW had been integrated prior to that, and some black social workers are members of both organizations. I'm not a member of the NASW, because the NASW does not think highly of BSW degrees and really only recognizes MSWs. Yet they charge the same fees.

Wei Wu Wei
03-06-2012, 07:11 PM
(most) of you guys are welcome to join my organization WORMs - White Old Rich Men.

I didn't know you worked for the Republican Party

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NJCardFan
03-06-2012, 11:51 PM
There is a phillipino club right off base here.

I should form a Scot club, and turn anyone away not wearing a kilt.

So in other words you want to start a club where a bunch of dudes wear skirts?

Retread
03-07-2012, 01:20 AM
I didn't know you worked for the Republican Party

http://i.imgur.com/JMenE.gif

You're not axquainted with Warren I take it?

I brought up this org at a staff meeting right after the co approved a GBLT group. I had 3 AA's and rwo Latinos volunteering for the charter meeting.

Novaheart
03-07-2012, 01:39 AM
The original reason for the split had to do with interracial adoptions-the NABSW opposed placing black children into white foster and adoptive homes because white children were not placed into black foster and adoptive homes. This was still an issue in 1987 when I started working in the field, and at least in Michigan, it is no longer an issue. Black parents can adopt white kids and white parents can adopt black kids.

i thought that the pecking order, for lack of a better term, was that nearest matches would be placed first, and when you run out of near matches, then you start considering alternatives? If that were the case, then as I understand the statistics, blacks would never adopt or foster white children, because you would always run out of white children while there were still white adoptive or foster parents left over?

I should also think that if it became common knowledge that white children were being placed with blacks, it would slow the complaint driven side of intervention in white families. I have no specific knowledge of the DCF business, but I would guess that a larger percentage of DCF interventions in white families are complaint driven, as opposed to the police referring a large percentage of the blacks. AM I wrong?

NJCardFan
03-07-2012, 01:45 AM
The real crux of this story is that blacks are more racist than whites are. Hell, blacks don't even like their own. If you're light skinned, you're a near pariah.

Janice
03-07-2012, 02:35 AM
The real crux of this story is that blacks are more racist than whites are. Hell, blacks don't even like their own. If you're light skinned, you're a near pariah.

That seems to be true from my experience too, unfortunately.