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Rockntractor
03-11-2012, 10:58 PM
DETROIT (WWJ) - A man was shot and killed Friday night after an apparent dispute over the price of condoms at a Detroit gas station.

WWJ’s Beth Fisher spoke to an employee at the BP gas station on Fenkell and Meyers, where the shooting took place on the city’s westside overnight. The employee said the argument was apparently over the price of a box of condoms.

He said the customer bought a box of condoms, but made a comment that he was overcharged and could have bought them somewhere else for a cheaper price. After being told he couldn’t get a refund, the customer allegedly began tossing items off the shelves. That’s when, according to the employee, the overnight clerk came out with a gun and fired a warning shot, which struck the customer in the shoulder.

Police say the customer was taken to a local hospital where he later died from his injuries.

Ron Scott, with the Detroit Coalition Against Police Brutality, said they are working on conflict resolution between gas station owners and Detroiters, something they will be discussing at a meeting on Sunday.

“We can’t have this kind of attitude and this kind of disrespect for life. Whether it happens to people who work in the gas station or definitely if it happens to people in the community. From what I’m understanding, the price of a condom should not be somebody’s life,” said Scott.

Police say the store clerk, whose name has not been released, is in custody. An investigation is ongoing.

The shooting comes during an increase of violent crime in Detroit.

In another recent incident at a gas station, an 86-year-old World War II veteran was assaulted and his car was stolen in broad daylight. After several people passed by him as he crawled, unable to walk because his leg was broken in the attack, the man tried to pay a stranger to drive him home. The good Samaritan man drove him for free, and called an ambulance. Days later, a 21-year-old suspect was arrested. Charges are pending.

Detroit Councilman Kwame Kenyatta is drafting an ordinance that would require gas station owners to hire security guards to protect the public.

“And as we watch this man was beaten on camera and crawled into the station, never once did I see the proprietor, as well as the people who were going to that gas station, help that individual. We are saying secure your facility, safeguard us as a community,” said Kenyatta.

Scott said part of the problem is the general relationship between customers in the communities and gas station owners and employees.

“The problem basically is that you have people who work in the stations who do not have a reasonable relationship with the community, where the respect for the dollars that they spend is accorded to them in the terms of human respect. On the other hand, you do have people in the neighborhood who come in, or people who might engage in negative activity, where the lives of the owners are threatened,” said Scott.

What it comes down to, said Scott, is respect.

“I’ve been in similar situations in some of these stores where I’ve been disrespected. And now we’re talking about young, specifically African-American men. One of the major things in the community that you want is respect… and I think people here don’t have skills in terms of de-escalation of violence,” said Scott.
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/03/10/man-shot-at-detroit-gas-station-reportedly-over-price-of-condoms/

How many people must die before free condoms become our right?

Apache
03-11-2012, 11:21 PM
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/03/10/man-shot-at-detroit-gas-station-reportedly-over-price-of-condoms/

How many people must die before free condoms become our right?

that dick got the biggest condom.... a body-bag.

noonwitch
03-12-2012, 09:48 AM
The city of Detroit does give away free condoms, at least they used to through the Health Department. There's a PP downtown and most of the high schools also give them away. None of them are open in the middle of the night or on weekends, though.


This is weird and all, but I find the more troubling problem in Detroit right now is that 4 children have been shot in the past month.

AmPat
03-12-2012, 11:52 AM
The city of Detroit does give away free condoms, at least they used to through the Health Department. There's a PP downtown and most of the high schools also give them away. None of them are open in the middle of the night or on weekends, though.


This is weird and all, but I find the more troubling problem in Detroit right now is that 4 children have been shot in the past month.

Detroit has no problem that a hundred or so Cat D-11's could'nt fix. Just start at one end and push the rubble into a large hole.http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=8xkU7vyGdCA&vq=medium#t=101

Novaheart
03-12-2012, 12:35 PM
Detroit Councilman Kwame Kenyatta is drafting an ordinance that would require gas station owners to hire security guards to protect the public.

“And as we watch this man was beaten on camera and crawled into the station, never once did I see the proprietor, as well as the people who were going to that gas station, help that individual. We are saying secure your facility, safeguard us as a community,” said Kenyatta.

Scott said part of the problem is the general relationship between customers in the communities and gas station owners and employees.

“The problem basically is that you have people who work in the stations who do not have a reasonable relationship with the community, where the respect for the dollars that they spend is accorded to them in the terms of human respect. On the other hand, you do have people in the neighborhood who come in, or people who might engage in negative activity, where the lives of the owners are threatened,” said Scott.

What it comes down to, said Scott, is respect.

Oh forgodsake, we have two elected officials trying to excuse criminal behavior by blaming the victims for not adequately protecting themselves. In prison logic and lingo no less.

Novaheart
03-12-2012, 12:37 PM
The city of Detroit does give away free condoms, at least they used to through the Health Department. There's a PP downtown and most of the high schools also give them away. None of them are open in the middle of the night or on weekends, though.


This is weird and all, but I find the more troubling problem in Detroit right now is that 4 children have been shot in the past month.

Give every nonfelon woman in Detroit a Ruger LC9 and a box of bullets. Two birds with one stone.

noonwitch
03-12-2012, 02:22 PM
Detroit Councilman Kwame Kenyatta is drafting an ordinance that would require gas station owners to hire security guards to protect the public.

“And as we watch this man was beaten on camera and crawled into the station, never once did I see the proprietor, as well as the people who were going to that gas station, help that individual. We are saying secure your facility, safeguard us as a community,” said Kenyatta.

Scott said part of the problem is the general relationship between customers in the communities and gas station owners and employees.

“The problem basically is that you have people who work in the stations who do not have a reasonable relationship with the community, where the respect for the dollars that they spend is accorded to them in the terms of human respect. On the other hand, you do have people in the neighborhood who come in, or people who might engage in negative activity, where the lives of the owners are threatened,” said Scott.

What it comes down to, said Scott, is respect.

Oh forgodsake, we have two elected officials trying to excuse criminal behavior by blaming the victims for not adequately protecting themselves. In prison logic and lingo no less.


There is a lot of hostility between the owners and employees of stores and the citizens of Detroit. It's complicated and race plays a factor-most of the store owners and employees are of middle eastern descent and most of their customers are african americans. One of the main issues is that the store/gas station operators charge more for merchandise (like 7-11 does) in a city in which the population does not have the mobility to price-shop.

I'm not justifying anything, just trying to show the backround to it all. A while back, maybe 10 years or so, an african store clerk shot and killed a customer in a dispute. The store was owned by african immigrants, and the people from the neighborhood started a protest. They demanded that the store owners give the business to the community as damages for the loss of the man who was killed, which of course the owners refused to do. The people from the neighborhood effectively boycotted the business and shut it down. The building remains vacant, even though it's in a good location.

On the other side, the mostly arab people who own and operate most of the neighborhood stores and gas stations have lost sons and fathers to armed robbers, most of whom are african americans. If you ever see them take money out at the end of a shift, it's quite a complicated matter that involves 2-3 well-armed men. Most of the storekeepers keep semi-automatics behind the bullet-proof glass for good reason.

TVDOC
03-12-2012, 04:57 PM
There is a lot of hostility between the owners and employees of stores and the citizens of Detroit. It's complicated and race plays a factor-most of the store owners and employees are of middle eastern descent and most of their customers are african americans. One of the main issues is that the store/gas station operators charge more for merchandise (like 7-11 does) in a city in which the population does not have the mobility to price-shop.
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Charging more for their services and merchandise couldn't have anything to do with covering the cost of all of that bullet-proof plexiglass, and armed guards required to make a simple bank deposit would it??

Seems to me that the "community" is to blame for their own problems, and the lack of services therein. Were they civilized, such measures would be unnecessary, costs would lower, and more businesses would be attracted to the area.

It's too bad the community doesn't have the "mobility" to price-shop, but they always seem to have the mobility to purchase firearms, drugs, knives, and other implements of destruction......

My sympathy meter is banging hard on "zero" for Detroit........and yes, I've lived in the area, and worked downtown......IMO the bulldozer solution mentioned above is the most logical, and bury the "community" with the debris......

I'll offer the same challenge here that I've proffered elsewhere many times, and is, to this day, yet unanswered......Name ONE successful, economically thriving government run entirely by Africans, or African-Americans........

doc

Novaheart
03-12-2012, 06:24 PM
There is a lot of hostility between the owners and employees of stores and the citizens of Detroit. .

For some reason I'm thinking that if NOI and other black activists can beg or borrow the money to build a mosque or a "community center" then they shouldn't have any trouble pulling together a group to open up black owned corner stores and liquor stores. So why haven't they? Could it be because black people won't put up with the level of abuse, theft, and threat that the Arabs do?

My town isn't black and yet all the corner stores are owned by Arabs of some sort. It pisses me off. I don't know why it's like that. Maybe brightwhite people won't work the hours. Maybe brightwhite people won't put their lives on the line for a drawer with $100 in it. The Cubans have a market that closes at 7pm. The Vietnamese own several grocery stores uptown which close at 7 pm. Brightwhite people own produce stands, barber shops, and dog groomers, bars, and restaurants.

TVDOC
03-12-2012, 08:40 PM
Absurdity snipped...for bandwidth and sanity

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"Bright" white people live and establish their businesses in the suburbs, send their children to good schools, shop at Albertsons, Macy's, Bloomingdales, and even (gasp) Walmart.......where there is no need to make their purchases through a drawer in two inches of Lexan..........such intelligent humans only venture into the inner-city cesspools if they happen to have their office there, and for no longer than necessary.......

doc

JB
03-12-2012, 08:51 PM
I wonder how much gas was.

Novaheart
03-13-2012, 12:43 AM
"Bright" white people live and establish their businesses in the suburbs, send their children to good schools, shop at Albertsons, Macy's, Bloomingdales, and even (gasp) Walmart.......where there is no need to make their purchases through a drawer in two inches of Lexan..........such intelligent humans only venture into the inner-city cesspools if they happen to have their office there, and for no longer than necessary.......

doc

It's always interesting to look inside the experience of a person such as yourself. You are truly ignorant in the dictionary sense of the word.

TVDOC
03-13-2012, 03:40 PM
It's always interesting to look inside the experience of a person such as yourself. You are truly ignorant in the dictionary sense of the word.

Well.....in the dictionary sense of the word, "ignorant" boils down to "uneducated"**, so in the "dictionary" you use, a person that spent 13 years in academia, and earned three degrees (none of which were in "humanities"), was awarded one honorary degree for expertise in a highy technical area......is uneducated???

**
ig·no·rant (gnr-nt)
adj.
1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed.

Strange world you live in.......what color is the sky there??

doc

AmPat
03-13-2012, 03:49 PM
Well.....in the dictionary sense of the word, "ignorant" boils down to "uneducated"**, so in the "dictionary" you use, a person that spent 13 years in academia, and earned three degrees (none of which were in "humanities"), was awarded one honorary degree for expertise in a highy technical area......is uneducated???

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Strange world you live in.......what color is the sky there??

doc

Doc, I hope you're sitting down and near a toilet. His "sky" is a combination of colors best described as those found deep inside a colon. :vomit:

TVDOC
03-13-2012, 04:01 PM
Doc, I hope you're sitting down and near a toilet. His "sky" is a combination of colors best described as those found deep inside a colon. :vomit:

Which is....apparently......where he/she/its head (among other appendages) tends to most frequently reside......

doc

noonwitch
03-13-2012, 04:09 PM
For some reason I'm thinking that if NOI and other black activists can beg or borrow the money to build a mosque or a "community center" then they shouldn't have any trouble pulling together a group to open up black owned corner stores and liquor stores. So why haven't they? Could it be because black people won't put up with the level of abuse, theft, and threat that the Arabs do?

My town isn't black and yet all the corner stores are owned by Arabs of some sort. It pisses me off. I don't know why it's like that. Maybe brightwhite people won't work the hours. Maybe brightwhite people won't put their lives on the line for a drawer with $100 in it. The Cubans have a market that closes at 7pm. The Vietnamese own several grocery stores uptown which close at 7 pm. Brightwhite people own produce stands, barber shops, and dog groomers, bars, and restaurants.


I don't even want to know what you mean by "Brightwhite people".

The main reason the corner stores are owned by people from other countries is that most of the businesses were bought for cash. I don't know how it works for people from asian countries, but the arabs around here started buying the corner stores after the 67 riots, when the previous owners were desperate to get out of Detroit. They had the cash, and the banks wouldn't loan money to black people in those days, regardless of their income or assets. So the arabs were able to buy the stores and make enough money to buy more stores and put their sons/nephews/brothers into business when they came here, and they expanded their liquor store/gas station empire to the burbs.

It's capitalism at work. The arabs who own the stores work hard to maintain their businesses, and are rewarded with the profits.

I can see both sides of the situation, but it is what it is and we can't turn the clock back to 1967 and force the Detroit banks (none of which still exist at this point because all have been taken over by national banks) to retroactively address a wrong from 40 years ago.

Adam Wood
03-13-2012, 04:57 PM
Anyone heard from Sandra Fluke?

:biggrin-new:

Odysseus
03-13-2012, 04:57 PM
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/03/10/man-shot-at-detroit-gas-station-reportedly-over-price-of-condoms/

How many people must die before free condoms become our right?

Does Sandra Fluke have an alibi?


Detroit Councilman Kwame Kenyatta is drafting an ordinance that would require gas station owners to hire security guards to protect the public.

“And as we watch this man was beaten on camera and crawled into the station, never once did I see the proprietor, as well as the people who were going to that gas station, help that individual. We are saying secure your facility, safeguard us as a community,” said Kenyatta.

Doesn't the city of Detroit have some organization that... I don't know, does something like that? You know, goes out into the communities and provides security and law enforcement? If not, perhaps the city could hire people to do that, and make them recognizable with uniforms, badges and specially marked vehicles. Just a thought, which appears to be more than this councilman had.


Scott said part of the problem is the general relationship between customers in the communities and gas station owners and employees.

“The problem basically is that you have people who work in the stations who do not have a reasonable relationship with the community, where the respect for the dollars that they spend is accorded to them in the terms of human respect. On the other hand, you do have people in the neighborhood who come in, or people who might engage in negative activity, where the lives of the owners are threatened,” said Scott.

What it comes down to, said Scott, is respect.

Oh forgodsake, we have two elected officials trying to excuse criminal behavior by blaming the victims for not adequately protecting themselves. In prison logic and lingo no less.

Not only that, but the city of Detroit goes to great trouble to deny the victims the means to protect themselves. I'll bet that not one person in that gas station had a CCL.

TVDOC
03-13-2012, 05:18 PM
I don't even want to know what you mean by "Brightwhite people".

The main reason the corner stores are owned by people from other countries is that most of the businesses were bought for cash. I don't know how it works for people from asian countries, but the arabs around here started buying the corner stores after the 67 riots, when the previous owners were desperate to get out of Detroit. They had the cash, and the banks wouldn't loan money to black people in those days, regardless of their income or assets. So the arabs were able to buy the stores and make enough money to buy more stores and put their sons/nephews/brothers into business when they came here, and they expanded their liquor store/gas station empire to the burbs.

It's capitalism at work. The arabs who own the stores work hard to maintain their businesses, and are rewarded with the profits.

I can see both sides of the situation, but it is what it is and we can't turn the clock back to 1967 and force the Detroit banks (none of which still exist at this point because all have been taken over by national banks) to retroactively address a wrong from 40 years ago.

A fairly accurate analysis, however I don't believe that Detroit's business climate can be laid at the feet of the banks (either past or present). Banks, be they local, regional, or national are always profit-oriented. If a loan or investment carries a high risk, they will pass.......unless acted upon by an outside force (such as federal loan guarantees).

This is coming from a person who enjoyed dragging Woodward Avenue every Saturday night when in undergrad school. Detroit used to be a thriving beautiful city, full of economic opportunites.......what changed was the population.

Detroit is a "worst case scenario", however the problems there are shared by any American urban core......we hear the same complaints from the inner-city indiginous black population here in the midwest......."why are there no supermarkets, chain pharmacies, department stores, etc. here....?." The answer is simple: Large price-competitive merchandisers operate on low profit margins, they cannot afford to place stores in locations where shoplifting, robberies, carjacking, and other forms of crime are rampant. Their profit margins would be instantly eaten up by security and inventory-shrinkage loss prevention.

Not that it will ever happen, but the obvious solution is that the black inner-city community needs to take a good long hard objective look in the mirror, and come to the conclusion that they need to start solving their OWN problems, not making excuses for them, and blaming others......

No amount of federal/state "investment", or urban redevelopment funding is going to change a drug dealer/user, petty thief, armed robber into an honest citizen.......changing the family environment that spawns these problems is the only solution, and that appears to be unattainable in that "culture". Sadly, the culture seems to encourage such behavior.......

YMMV

doc

Madisonian
03-13-2012, 08:03 PM
On the other side, the mostly arab people who own and operate most of the neighborhood stores and gas stations...

...but the arabs around here started buying the corner stores after the 67 riots, when the previous owners were desperate to get out of Detroit.

For someone that has lived in Michigan and the Detroit area for as long as you have, I would think that you would at least know something about the area.

The party stores, c-stores and gas stations are not owned mostly owned by Arabs, they are mostly owned by Chaldeans.
Chaldeans are Roman Catholic Christians from primarily the Iraq area that left because of religious persecution.

Educate yourself (http://www.georgeenterprises.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=89%3Athe-chaldean-godfather&catid=44%3Amichael-j-george-sr&Itemid=70)

Mike George is the primary reason many of the Detroit area stores are owned by Chaldeans today. He was born in Detroit and created a financing system to help other Chaldeans buy the stores.
My father did business with Mike for many years and Mike has always been an American first and damned proud of it.

Novaheart
03-13-2012, 08:11 PM
I don't even want to know what you mean by "Brightwhite people".



It is a term I invented for caucasian people who others refer to as WASP or Anglo, as opposed to off-white or ecru.

noonwitch
03-14-2012, 09:40 AM
For someone that has lived in Michigan and the Detroit area for as long as you have, I would think that you would at least know something about the area.

The party stores, c-stores and gas stations are not owned mostly owned by Arabs, they are mostly owned by Chaldeans.
Chaldeans are Roman Catholic Christians from primarily the Iraq area that left because of religious persecution.

Educate yourself (http://www.georgeenterprises.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=89%3Athe-chaldean-godfather&catid=44%3Amichael-j-george-sr&Itemid=70)

Mike George is the primary reason many of the Detroit area stores are owned by Chaldeans today. He was born in Detroit and created a financing system to help other Chaldeans buy the stores.
My father did business with Mike for many years and Mike has always been an American first and damned proud of it.


Do you know how I can tell the difference between an arab owned gas station and a chaldean owned one? The arab stations always charge the same price per gallon to use a debit card as to use a credit card. The chaldean stations always charge the cash rate for debit card purchases.

If I go in, a chaldean store usually has pictures of the saints up in the register area (behind the plexiglass).

There are plenty of stores and gas stations owned by arabs, too. It's not all chaldeans.

Odysseus
03-14-2012, 10:56 AM
It is a term I invented for caucasian people who others refer to as WASP or Anglo, as opposed to off-white or ecru.

You might want to point that out the first time that you use a term that you have made up that isn't immediately self-explanatory, so that us lowly semites and generic honkies can keep up with the voices in your head.


Do you know how I can tell the difference between an arab owned gas station and a chaldean owned one? The arab stations always charge the same price per gallon to use a debit card as to use a credit card. The chaldean stations always charge the cash rate for debit card purchases.

If I go in, a chaldean store usually has pictures of the saints up in the register area (behind the plexiglass).

There are plenty of stores and gas stations owned by arabs, too. It's not all chaldeans.

I think that you are using Arabs as a catchall term for Muslims. There are Christian Arabs (who, BTW, constitute the majority of American Arabs) and there are Muslims (the majority of whom, in the US, are not Arabs). Chaldeans are descendents of the Assyrians, and do not consider themselves Arabs, but most people confuse the two.

noonwitch
03-14-2012, 11:12 AM
You might want to point that out the first time that you use a term that you have made up that isn't immediately self-explanatory, so that us lowly semites and generic honkies can keep up with the voices in your head.



I think that you are using Arabs as a catchall term for Muslims. There are Christian Arabs (who, BTW, constitute the majority of American Arabs) and there are Muslims (the majority of whom, in the US, are not Arabs). Chaldeans are descendents of the Assyrians, and do not consider themselves Arabs, but most people confuse the two.

Around here, the vast majority of arabs are muslims. I know chaldeans are not arabs, but a lot of people around here (especially african americans) do not differentiate.

Novaheart
03-15-2012, 07:14 PM
I think that you are using Arabs as a catchall term for Muslims.

What language is the Koran in?

Rockntractor
03-15-2012, 07:32 PM
What language is the Koran in?

Whatever language you bought it in.

Novaheart
03-15-2012, 09:43 PM
Whatever language you bought it in.

I was told that a Koran is only legitimate if it is in Arabic.

Rockntractor
03-15-2012, 09:50 PM
I was told that a Koran is only legitimate if it is in Arabic.

Only a portion of Muslims read Arabic so it is printed in all languages, yes the preferred language is Arabic and at one time they said it was the duty of all Muslims to learn Arabic but very few did.


P.S. Muhammad was illiterate.