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Carol
03-13-2012, 05:02 PM
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Star Member Narkos (951 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

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Alright, I kind of went at it w/ a conservative today.
I've been friends with this person for years via our children's playgroup. Currently she receives free health care from the government at a local military hospital and this is what she wrote:


"If anyone thinks that government health care is going to be great here's a little taste for you. I just spent 20 minutes on the phone TRYING to book an eye exam. End result was the ONLY available appt. is ************. If that doesn't work for me I am to call a different number to try to get a waiver to be seen elsewhere! This is for just an eye exam!! Scary."

I'm a clinician at this hospital, so this is what I wrote back:

"I know that it is sometimes fun to bash government health care, but as a physician at the institution you are criticizing, I think this might be an instructive moment.

You receive free health care from the government. If you don't like what the goverment offers, you are free to obtain private health insurance on your own. I suspect you won't or can't do that because it is hugely expensive...around $15K/yr for a family of four.

But since you are taking advantage of what the government offers, you will not be seen when it is convenient for you. That's the price you pay when you take advantage of the incredible offer of free health care. While waiting for a month for an elective eye exam may seem inconvenient, the system is not designed for your personal convenience. It is designed to take care of as many soldiers and their families on a constrained budget. If you would like the Military Health Care system to be more convenient, you can write your congressperson and ask them to increase funding for military hospitals so that they can have shorter wait times. In this climate, I'm doubtful anyone would take you seriously.

The one last thing I would like to say is that I take offense at the notion that because you have to wait a little longer for an elective visit that this is somehow "scary", as if it has anything to do with the quality of care provided by *******. Nothing could be further from the truth, and you should know this from personal experience.

Anyways, I wish you would realize that you have friends that work at ******, and are a little hurt that you would use Facebook to malign the place we work at and dedicate our lives to."

So, did I take it too far? I'm feeling a little nervous about it. Here liberals affirm that once we have "free health care" via the government-Obama care-which of course isn't free, just like military care isn't free, we can expect to get whatever the government wants to give us.....or not give us. And we WON'T have the choice to go elsewhere.

Their goal isn't that everyone will have good care. It's that everyone have terrible care so we're all "equal".

Star Member CaliforniaPeggy (94,107 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
3. I'd say you did it just right...not too far at all.

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You very calmly pointed out the facts, and didn't exaggerate.

Well done!

Star Member tinymontgomery (1,768 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
8. Nice way to let them know

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retired military here and medical is cheap and it also is set up for the service member as you mentioned. Wait till she is in a retired status (if they go that long) and watch what the DOD is trying to do to us know.

Star Member calimary (26,564 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
12. NO! You did NOT take it too far!

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You handled it with grace and deft use of language, explaining things simply and eloquently. VERY nice touch, reminding her that - "This is FREE health care provided by the government that has a lot of people to help, and decreasing amounts of money to fund that magnitude of need. WTF were you expecting? Two Cadillacs?"

Well done!!!

mazzarro (2,445 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
16. Not far enough IMO

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BTW have received any response?

Star Member Narkos (951 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
20. Yeah, she private messaged me

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And said something to the effect of "I didn't mean to offend anyone, I just wanted people to realize that this is what will happen when the government takes over".

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25. Government take over lolololol

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I think if she has to pay for her own, she will want to "government takeover" back...how old is she? I think she needs to look outside the military bubble...

SarasotaRepub
03-13-2012, 06:12 PM
Hey DUmmies,

IF we were to get ObamaCare, what makes you so sure you're going to be happy with it and not bitch even louder?

Hmmmm???

Apache
03-13-2012, 06:14 PM
do military medical centers take in everybody, or is it just current/retired and immediate family?

Apache
03-13-2012, 06:16 PM
Hey DUmmies,

IF we were to get ObamaCare, what makes you so sure you're going to be happy with it and not bitch even louder?

Hmmmm???

c'mon. you know they'll bitch. the lollipops will be WWII surplus...

fettpett
03-13-2012, 07:08 PM
so, this asshat is comparing the medical coverage that the military and their families who are giving up a LOT to the shit that Obama and their ilk are shoving down our throats? typical libtard

JB
03-13-2012, 07:56 PM
This is a very strange post. Does the DUmmy mean to portray government healthcare as that inept and unflattering? Because that's what I see.

First off, the woman is not receiving free healthcare. She is receiving healthcare provided by her employer. Either she or her spouse are offering their services as part of the compensation package they receive for that healthcare.

Secondly, the person replying is basically saying "government provided healthcare is shit". There's long lines and long wait times. Tough shit. That's what you get when you get free shit from the government.

You know what? When Barry forces me to buy gubmint provided healthcare next year or so, I don't want it. Just fine me for not taking it.

Odysseus
03-13-2012, 10:59 PM
do military medical centers take in everybody, or is it just current/retired and immediate family?

Only current military and family. Retirees go to the VA.

And let's get something straight, we pay for our medical care. We pay for it in long deployments away from home. We pay for it with punishing physical requirements that wear out our bodies. We pay for it in stresses from combat. Some of us pay for it in blood, and some pay for it with their lives.

AmPat
03-13-2012, 11:59 PM
Only current military and family. Retirees go to the VA.

And let's get something straight, we pay for our medical care. We pay for it in long deployments away from home. We pay for it with punishing physical requirements that wear out our bodies. We pay for it in stresses from combat. Some of us pay for it in blood, and some pay for it with their lives.
Not to be to melodramatic, but those of us who have lost friends, pay for it in ways that most civilians never do. And yet we have the Novaidiots of the world that begrudge us of a life-long earned benefit. A benefit that we nonetheless pay for on a meager retirement.

Apache
03-14-2012, 12:47 AM
Only current military and family. Retirees go to the VA.

And let's get something straight, we pay for our medical care. We pay for it in long deployments away from home. We pay for it with punishing physical requirements that wear out our bodies. We pay for it in stresses from combat. Some of us pay for it in blood, and some pay for it with their lives.

thank you ody, i thought as much, just wasn't entirely sure...

i thought this story sounded a bit contrived...

m00
03-14-2012, 01:09 AM
Not to be to melodramatic, but those of us who have lost friends, pay for it in ways that most civilians never do. And yet we have the Novaidiots of the world that begrudge us of a life-long earned benefit. A benefit that we nonetheless pay for on a meager retirement.

Okay, here's a question though, and I mean this with all due respect. Does someone who work for the DoD or I guess the Pentagon in some sort of will-never-be-deployed-desk get the same health care?

AmPat
03-14-2012, 01:20 AM
Okay, here's a question though, and I mean this with all due respect. Does someone who work for the DoD or I guess the Pentagon in some sort of will-never-be-deployed-desk get the same health care?

I suppose they do. Of course even the desk jockeys get deployed away from their familes. Many of those pentagon desk jockeys have been deployed both before and after their stint in the puzzle palace.
After a decade and two wars, few are those that haven't been deployed.

I experienced the first loss of a comrade shortly after I showed up at flight school. I was in his memorial service. Since then, I have attended many services and lost a handful of fellow aviators I knew personally.

I don't believe you can poll many service members that don't have similar stories.

m00
03-14-2012, 01:40 AM
I suppose they do. Of course even the desk jockeys get deployed away from their familes. Many of those pentagon desk jockeys have been deployed both before and after their stint in the puzzle palace.
After a decade and two wars, few are those that haven't been deployed.

Yeah, I didn't mean to be disrespectful with this. I just grew up outside of DC, where like everyone who I keep in touch with that still has a job is connected to the Federal Government either directly or as a contractor. And I think people who serve-serve in the military deserve the best my tax-dollars can buy, but there's a shit-ton of Federal employees that like... may technically work in some area affiliated with the DoD, or NSA or something... but I wouldn't call them "military" if you know what I mean? Maybe I'm just wrong on this.

txradioguy
03-14-2012, 03:52 AM
Star Member tinymontgomery (1,768 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
8. Nice way to let them know

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retired military here and medical is cheap and it also is set up for the service member as you mentioned. Wait till she is in a retired status (if they go that long) and watch what the DOD is trying to do to us know.

Note to tiny and the lurkers.

This isn't the DoD on it's own "doing this to us now".

This is the Dems...specifically the POTUS and the SecDef (brought in specifically to gut the military) doing this to US.

As I've painfully pointed out before...the ENTIRE DoD budget...including two wars is 4.7% of the GDP of this country.

Entitlement spending (welfare) is 15% and GROWING. And it will continue to grow if Obamacare is fully implemented and not repealed.

We are being gutted and sacrificed to pay for Obamacare. National Security is being tossed aside so the window lickers you hang out with at DU can get their free Government cheese. Don't fool yourself into thinking otherwise.

Bailey
03-14-2012, 06:30 AM
Note to tiny and the lurkers.

This isn't the DoD on it's own "doing this to us now".

This is the Dems...specifically the POTUS and the SecDef (brought in specifically to gut the military) doing this to US.

As I've painfully pointed out before...the ENTIRE DoD budget...including two wars is 4.7% of the GDP of this country.

Entitlement spending (welfare) is 15% and GROWING. And it will continue to grow if Obamacare is fully implemented and not repealed.

We are being gutted and sacrificed to pay for Obamacare. National Security is being tossed aside so the window lickers you hang out with at DU can get their free Government cheese. Don't fool yourself into thinking otherwise.



I love how they use that conard "its really over 50% of the budget we spend on the millitary", I'd like to spit in their faces when they say shit like that.

Odysseus
03-14-2012, 06:50 AM
Okay, here's a question though, and I mean this with all due respect. Does someone who work for the DoD or I guess the Pentagon in some sort of will-never-be-deployed-desk get the same health care?

DOD civilians are covered under the federal civilian program. If they are on an active base, they can be treated at the installations there, but their coverage is different.

Another point though, is that if the government gets to dictate your health care, then one of the prices that you pay is that you lose convenience. You go to appointments at the convenience of the system administrators, because you lose any power of the purse. Narkos had that right, but missed the implications of it. What he missed is that when you point out that beggars can't be choosers, the whole point of Obamacare is to make us all beggars. We have to beg for appointments, beg for services, beg for medicines and ultimately beg for our lives. If Obamacare stands, that arrogant, down the nose look of his is going to be the face of health care, and we're the ones who he and his minions will be looking down on. Get used to that, because that's the world that he and Narkos want.

"Free health care" isn't free. Even if the economic costs were to miraculously disappear, it still costs us our dignity and independence.

AmPat
03-14-2012, 11:01 AM
DOD civilians are covered under the federal civilian program. If they are on an active base, they can be treated at the installations there, but their coverage is different.

Another point though, is that if the government gets to dictate your health care, then one of the prices that you pay is that you lose convenience. You go to appointments at the convenience of the system administrators, because you lose any power of the purse. Narkos had that right, but missed the implications of it. What he missed is that when you point out that beggars can't be choosers, the whole point of Obamacare is to make us all beggars. We have to beg for appointments, beg for services, beg for medicines and ultimately beg for our lives. If Obamacare stands, that arrogant, down the nose look of his is going to be the face of health care, and we're the ones who he and his minions will be looking down on. Get used to that, because that's the world that he and Narkos want.

"Free health care" isn't free. Even if the economic costs were to miraculously disappear, it still costs us our dignity and independence.That's what they want and WILL get.

The arrogant nose gazers like O Blah Blah have ensured that they are exempt from this "awesome and free" system that they forced on us. We minions get to beg and scrape for the scraps while those that are more equal than us get the top tier health care.

The drones that support O Blah Blah Care don't seem to mind that the very ones that forced this crap on us are exempt from it. They also gave waivers to those organizations (like Unions), who pour millions into Marxist coffers yet supported this intrusion into our lives.:livid:


Now where are those drones asking their gods that forced this crap down our throats, and those organiztions that supported but demanded and got waivers from it, are not lining up to sign on to this awesome Socialist paradise?

Zeus
03-14-2012, 01:46 PM
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