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Janice
03-14-2012, 11:59 AM
http://i.imgur.com/1ZeQP.jpg

American flag with President Obama's image sparks outrage at Florida Democrats (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/14/us-flag-depicting-president-obama-removed-from-floridas-lake-county-democratic/#content)

An American flag with President Obama's image in place of the stars flew over a Florida county's Democrat headquarters long enough to enrage local veterans who called the altered banner "a disgrace."

Lake County Democratic Party officials took down the flag, which flew just below a standard Old Glory on the flagpole outside headquarters in Tavares following complaints by local veterans. But merely taking it down wasn't enough for several local veterans, who said they fought for the flag Betsy Ross made famous, not one with a politician on it.

"It's absolutely disrespectful," Jim Bradford, a 71-year-old veteran who participated in the Bay of Pigs Invasion told FoxNews.com. "It's totally ridiculous. To put somebody's picture there, to me, it's a disgrace to do that."

Bradford, an organizer with the Veterans Memorial at Fountain Park in Leesburg, Fla., snapped photos of the flag and distributed them to fellow veterans and friends. By late afternoon, he and several other veterans delivered a copy of the federal flag code to Nancy Hurlbert, chairwoman of the Lake County Democratic Party.

"We read that to her, but she would not accept that," Bradford said. "The discussion finally got a little bit heated."

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I dont see what the big deal is, putting 0bama's face on the flag .... when one considers that he has spent the last three and half years apologizing for and soiling "old glory" and trampling all over it. For some dems this is just the new "Emperor Flag". Isnt this why dem school teachers are teaching our kids to pledge allegiance to the anointed one? This is not much different than Stalin, Mao, etc. showing their dear leaders all over the country.

AmPat
03-14-2012, 12:10 PM
These disgusting Marxists (aka, Dimorats), just can't contain their enthusiasm to kill our Republic and make us into a third world Communist paradise. I detest them with every ounce of my being.

linda22003
03-14-2012, 12:17 PM
Altering the flag with ANYONE's picture is just wrong.

Rockntractor
03-14-2012, 12:22 PM
Altering the flag with ANYONE's picture is just wrong.

I particularly liked the way this veteran worded it.

But merely taking it down wasn't enough for several local veterans, who said they fought for the flag Betsy Ross made famous, not one with a politician on it.

Apache
03-14-2012, 12:30 PM
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I dont see what the big deal is, putting 0bama's face on the flag .... .because the blue field and stars represent the states and the people in those states... not just one self- absorbed jackass.

Rockntractor
03-14-2012, 12:40 PM
because the blue field and stars represent the states and the people in those states... not just one self- absorbed jackass.

The vassals in the fiefdoms?http://gfxlovers.com/smilies/imgs/confused/confused007.gif (http://gfxlovers.com/smilies)

SarasotaRepub
03-14-2012, 12:58 PM
That moronic "flag" should be burned. Idiots.

Odysseus
03-14-2012, 01:18 PM
That moronic "flag" should be burned. Idiots.

Are you kidding? That flag should be on every conservative website in the country! It's the icon for the sick personality cult that Democrats are building around Obama, and their utter disregard for the country. In fact, we ought to rewrite the pledge:


I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of Obama.
To Socialism and the manipulation of justice to support the narratives of the oppressed, for which it stands.
On nation, under Obama, with free medical care and serfdom for all.

linda22003
03-14-2012, 01:22 PM
It's just not the right thing to do.

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/John-Wayne-American-Flag-Lg-3ft-x5ft-/00/$(KGrHqR,!m!E3J4eozIQBOKbv(Kem!~~0_35.JPG

Bailey
03-14-2012, 01:25 PM
It's just not the right thing to do.

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/John-Wayne-American-Flag-Lg-3ft-x5ft-/00/$(KGrHqR,!m!E3J4eozIQBOKbv(Kem!~~0_35.JPG

Well at least that person loved this Country unlike the Magic Negro.

linda22003
03-14-2012, 01:32 PM
Well at least that person loved this Country unlike the Magic Negro.

So sometimes it's okay? How confusing. If it's a bad drawing and being sold for profit - that's okay? (Only $16.50)!

SarasotaRepub
03-14-2012, 01:37 PM
Are you kidding? That flag should be on every conservative website in the country! It's the icon for the sick personality cult that Democrats are building around Obama, and their utter disregard for the country. In fact, we ought to rewrite the pledge:

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of Obama.
To Socialism and the manipulation of justice to support the narratives of the oppressed, for which it stands.
On nation, under Obama, with free medical care and serfdom for all.


Well...I bet I could make a fortune for CU selling that to the DUmmies. :biggrin-new::biggrin-new:

linda22003
03-14-2012, 01:58 PM
http://flagsgonewild.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/american_flag_vader.jpg

Odysseus
03-14-2012, 02:01 PM
It's just not the right thing to do.

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/John-Wayne-American-Flag-Lg-3ft-x5ft-/00/$(KGrHqR,!m!E3J4eozIQBOKbv(Kem!~~0_35.JPG

It isn't. However, John Wayne isn't running for office. In his case, it's tacky and tasteless, but at least it isn't being done by the party chair of a major state organization.

AmPat
03-14-2012, 02:22 PM
It isn't. However, John Wayne isn't running for office. In his case, it's tacky and tasteless, but at least it isn't being done by the party chair of a major state organization.
tangent---------- That doesn't look like John Wayne to me. The other likeness does resemble the Marxist In Chief.

linda22003
03-14-2012, 02:35 PM
tangent---------- That doesn't look like John Wayne to me. The other likeness does resemble the Marxist In Chief.

I said it was a "bad drawing". :)

JB
03-14-2012, 03:27 PM
Give them to the Occupukes. They can use them after they're done with the cop cars.

Janice
03-14-2012, 04:22 PM
http://i.imgur.com/zZToV.jpg
Can you say "clown"?

The 0bama Flag could just as well be a banner flying over Berlin in 1940. It's incredibly bad taste, as were the Styrofoam columns ... as was the President-Elect (or re-ject) Seal 0bama originally used on his lectern. The hits just never stop coming ...

Rockntractor
03-14-2012, 04:44 PM
It's just not the right thing to do.

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/John-Wayne-American-Flag-Lg-3ft-x5ft-/00/$(KGrHqR,!m!E3J4eozIQBOKbv(Kem!~~0_35.JPG

Yes Linda, we remember the days when John Wayne was president and we flew that flag over the Republican headquarters.http://gfxlovers.com/smilies/imgs/foolish/foolish004.gif (http://gfxlovers.com/smilies)

m00
03-14-2012, 05:27 PM
http://flagsgonewild.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/american_flag_vader.jpg

Oh snap, someone made a bust of SR.

NJCardFan
03-14-2012, 10:58 PM
It's just not the right thing to do.

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/John-Wayne-American-Flag-Lg-3ft-x5ft-/00/$(KGrHqR,!m!E3J4eozIQBOKbv(Kem!~~0_35.JPG

2 things. #1, this looks like a bad representation of the Duke more than likely sold by some trinket seller. Which brings me to #2, this flag didn't hang over the RNC offices like the above narcissistic in chief's flag is over the DNC office.

Kay
03-15-2012, 12:20 AM
http://i.imgur.com/1ZeQP.jpg

Fools names and fools faces are often seen in public places.

Odysseus
03-15-2012, 12:38 AM
A bit more from the article:


Hurlbert said Tuesday's incident was the first time anyone had complained about the flag, which she received as a gift two months ago.

"It leads me to believe that it's not about the flag," she told FoxNews.com. "Certain elements cannot accept Barack Obama as president."

The financial markets, for example...


Hurlbert said she intends to contact an attorney regarding the matter and remained non-committal as to whether she'll fly the flag again.

"I won't say no and I won't say yes," she said. "We want to find out what our legal rights are."

Because it's all about you.


Jenn Meale, communications director for Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi, referred FoxNews.com to state laws that pertain to the use of flags on public lands and property when asked for clarification as to whether Hurlbert could face any penalties.

Statute 256.05, which covers improper use of state or United States flag, or other symbol of authority, reads: "No person shall, in any manner, for exhibition or display:


"(1) Place or cause to be placed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, drawing or advertisement of any nature upon any flag, standard, color, ensign or shield of the United States or of this state, or authorized by any law of the United States or this state; or
"(2) Expose to public view any such flag, standard, color, ensign or shield upon which shall have been printed, painted or otherwise produced, or to which shall have been attached, appended, affixed or annexed any such word, figure, mark, picture, design, drawing or advertisement."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/14/us-flag-depicting-president-obama-removed-from-floridas-lake-county-democratic/#content#ixzz1p9mUqw5V



On the plus side, this might actually be the start of something new. It's nice to see Democrats not trying to burn the flag for once. Also, Obama might actually wear that flag as a lapel pin, or salute it, and Michelle might not make snide comments about it.

Also, is it me, or is it a rather unflattering picture of the narcissist in chief? His scowl reminds me of the look that he gets whenever his poll numbers drop. Whoever gave the Democrats that flag might have actually been setting them up.

Chuck58
03-15-2012, 01:05 AM
I'm partial to this one, a variant.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS7o9gx5g5DuTh2m8U3Xt0AkYzP0s0Rl XE-fV9a_PYgcNOMSKeApA

As for the obama flag....I'm grabbing that pic and posting it on every forum I visit. They call themselves Americans?

I hadn't seen or heard about it until I saw this thread. Haven't seen any news today.

Janice
03-15-2012, 02:56 AM
http://i.imgur.com/GKxbC.jpg (http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/vets-angry-over-american-flag-featuring-obama/nLR5Q/#comments)
Local news video

Vets angry over American flag featuring Obama (http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/vets-angry-over-american-flag-featuring-obama/nLR5Q/#comments)

LAKE COUNTY, Fla. —

Tempers are flaring over a version of the American flag flying in Lake County. A veterans group says the flag is an outrage.

The flag, which features a picture of President Obama, was taken down Tuesday afternoon.

Korean war veteran Don Van Beck said his blood was boiling.

"I can't describe how upset was because you just don't do that to the American flag," Van Beck said.

Van Beck found it flying outside Lake County Democratic headquarters under the stars and stripes. Marine Corps vet John Masterjohn was seeing red.

"Joseph Stalin, pictures of Mao, pictures of Adolph Hitler. The pomp, the ceremony -- the flags like that," Masterjohn said.

Nearly a dozen veterans went to the door and aimed to take it down.

"No. This is private property. This is private property. You're not allowed to touch anything. I'll call the police," Democratic Party chairwoman Nancy Hulbert said. "Just went online. Just went online and looked up the flag code. There is no higher-up in Lake County. I'm responsible. I take responsibility."

"If you've been a veteran and fought -- and some died for this flag -- you don't want to see it desecrated. That's how simple it is," Van Beck said.

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Good video. (http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/vets-angry-over-american-flag-featuring-obama/nLR5Q/#comments)

txradioguy
03-15-2012, 07:03 AM
2 things. #1, this looks like a bad representation of the Duke more than likely sold by some trinket seller. Which brings me to #2, this flag didn't hang over the RNC offices like the above narcissistic in chief's flag is over the DNC office.


Yeah but to a drone like Linda #'s the two are completely alike.

linda22003
03-15-2012, 09:00 AM
Yeah but to a drone like Linda #'s the two are completely alike.

"Drone"? I was wondering if any alteration to the flag was acceptable (personally, I don't think so). Apparently here it is acceptable depending on what the subject is and who does it.

AmPat
03-15-2012, 09:36 AM
"Drone"? I was wondering if any alteration to the flag was acceptable (personally, I don't think so). Apparently here it is acceptable depending on what the subject is and who does it.
Apparently, you are using a much too large brush. I don't believe the site owner has weighed in on what this board believes on the issue. I for one don't agree to any disrespect of our flag.

linda22003
03-15-2012, 09:52 AM
Apparently, you are using a much too large brush. I don't believe the site owner has weighed in on what this board believes on the issue. I for one don't agree to any disrespect of our flag.

Then you and I completely agree on this. What I've seen are explanations that other such alterations were commercial rather than political, and that one representation was of a man who loved his country, thus making it somehow all right. :lemo:

Adam Wood
03-15-2012, 10:08 AM
Hurlbert said she intends to contact an attorney regarding the matter and remained non-committal as to whether she'll fly the flag again.

"I won't say no and I won't say yes," she said. "We want to find out what our legal rights are."Yes, Dingy, you have the legal right to fly that POS flag. That's what all those brave men and women who are angry fought for: your right to be stupid in public.

"Legal" and "right" are not the same thing, lady. For 235 years, this country's finest, bravest men and women have suffered the worst kinds of privation, have starved and sweated and frozen and died face-down in the mud and/or screaming for their mothers in agony for the specific right for you to do as you please. They have stood guard, all day and all night, in the worst kinds of hot, cold, rain, snow, beating sun, and battering wind imaginable, always unwavering, always ready, solely for the purpose of protecting you, and they don't even know you.

All that they ask in return is that you use those rights respectfully. Is that really too much to ask?

txradioguy
03-15-2012, 10:34 AM
Apparently, you are using a much too large brush. I don't believe the site owner has weighed in on what this board believes on the issue. I for one don't agree to any disrespect of our flag.

No what she is doing is what the DUmmies do and using the "well it was done here so it's ok to do it this time" crap.

noonwitch
03-15-2012, 10:48 AM
I have mixed feelings about it-I'm not a flag hater, or a flag burner, but I do recognize the difference between a symbol like the flag and the great country it represents.

It's disrespectful, and it makes me wonder about the people who would put someone's face on the flag more than the person whose face they put on it (whether it's Obama or The Duke).

linda22003
03-15-2012, 11:12 AM
No what she is doing is what the DUmmies do and using the "well it was done here so it's ok to do it this time" crap.

Boy, do you know how to misread. I specifically said that I don't think it's ever all right.

Apocalypse
03-15-2012, 11:36 AM
A bit more from the article:

Hurlbert said Tuesday's incident was the first time anyone had complained about the flag, which she received as a gift two months ago.

"It leads me to believe that it's not about the flag," she told FoxNews.com. "Certain elements cannot accept Barack Obama as president."



Yep, thats right. Perfect lib thinking. Military and Vets just can't stand the thought of a black man as president.

RACIST! ALL OF THEM!!

SaintLouieWoman
03-15-2012, 11:58 AM
There is no higher-up in Lake County (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/s/news/lake-county/). I'm responsible. I take responsibility."



This woman has a high opinon of herself--no higher-up than her, the chair of the Dem party in Lake County? Oy!

To answer Linda #'s, please don't represent the comments of any member here as the feelings of the entire board or its owners.

As far as I'm concerned, the Duke pic is tacky and unacceptable on the flag, although it is at least superimposed over the flag, not totally taking over the field with the stars representing the states. It should not be, is not a justification for the Obama flag. It's sort of like the HOA in my community when they're fighting over the legal height of fences here. Those yapping for 6 foot fences instead of the 5 ft allowed per the deed restrictions use the same tactic as you have used----the citing someone blocks away who snuck in an illegally sized fence.

The Duke pic is tacky and the Obama picture is uber-tacky and a disturbing sign of the mindset of this administration. I remember all those little odes to Obama sung by the sweet little kids prompted by their Obama loving lib teachers. Then as Janice said remember those tacky fake Greek columns and on and on.

They have no respect for American traditions. God bless those vets for stepping up to the plate. When I watched the video posted on the link, the dem party chair stated that they could have called and it would be taken down. Don't think that would have happened. It took twelve vets standing out there with news cameras and some arguments with the lovely lady before that flag was finally removed.

Odysseus
03-15-2012, 01:24 PM
Then you and I completely agree on this. What I've seen are explanations that other such alterations were commercial rather than political, and that one representation was of a man who loved his country, thus making it somehow all right. :lemo:

Nobody is saying that the John Wayne flag is okay. Both are unacceptable. The sole difference is that the person flying the Obama flag is a Democratic Party chair for the county, i.e., a party official, while the person selling the John Wayne flag is, presumably, some clown at a swap meet. I tend to expect more responsible civic conduct and knowledge from political party leaders than I do from guys selling cheesy memorabilia out of the backs of their cars.

Don't you?

linda22003
03-15-2012, 01:29 PM
I would hope so, but that's not the way the betting is going, these days. :frown-new:

Odysseus
03-15-2012, 01:56 PM
I would hope so, but that's not the way the betting is going, these days. :frown-new:

This reminds me of William F. Buckley's comment that he would rather be governed by the first hundred names in the Boston phone book than the faculty of Harvard.

NJCardFan
03-15-2012, 05:06 PM
Yep, thats right. Perfect lib thinking. Military and Vets just can't stand the thought of a black man as president.

RACIST! ALL OF THEM!!

That's been the meme since day one. Anything, and I do mean anything negatively said against Obama all comes down to race. It's all in the Democratic playbook which, thanks to Obama, has been whittled down to just one page: When all else fails, claim racism.

JB
03-15-2012, 05:07 PM
...referred FoxNews.com to state laws that pertain to the use of flags on public lands and property when asked for clarification as to whether Hurlbert could face any penalties.I'm not sure we want to go down that road considering almost every novelty flag I've ever seen displayed or flown or worn as clothing would be considered "conservative" moreso than "liberal".

Although, I am partial to this one. It would make for some good head 'sploding.

http://www.kyfor10.org/10flagjpg.jpg

Elspeth
03-16-2012, 01:21 AM
because the blue field and stars represent the states and the people in those states... Not just one self- absorbed jackass.

amen!

Odysseus
03-16-2012, 09:32 AM
That's been the meme since day one. Anything, and I do mean anything negatively said against Obama all comes down to race. It's all in the Democratic playbook which, thanks to Obama, has been whittled down to just one page: When all else fails, claim racism.

It's just another tactic to suppress dissent. Obama can't run on his record, and Democrats can't live without power, so they have to change the subject. If the election is about Obama's performance in office, then they lose.


I'm not sure we want to go down that road considering almost every novelty flag I've ever seen displayed or flown or worn as clothing would be considered "conservative" moreso than "liberal".

Although, I am partial to this one. It would make for some good head 'sploding.

http://www.kyfor10.org/10flagjpg.jpg

She won't face any penalties, at least not legally, because there aren't any, nor is anyone suggesting that there ought to be. The issue is the chairwoman of a county Democratic Party committee flying a flag that has been altered to become a partisan device, and the creepy personality cult that Democrats have built up around Obama.

Novaheart
03-16-2012, 10:21 AM
Oh for God's sake people. In the first place, any "law" pertaining to what you can or can't do with a flag that you own is nullified by the First Amendment... as it should be. It might make me furious to see Mexicans drag the flag in the street of Los Angeles, but it's because they are advocating the destruction of the United States, not because they are incorporating a flag in their political statement. And yes, I cheered when the guy in San Diego or some crappy town in California took down the US flag from a Mexican store, because it was being flown under the Mexican flag. Resistance is not futile.

People have been altering and/or incorporating the US flag in political statements, commercial advertising, and parody for a long time, probably as long as there has been a US flag. The Ku Klux Klan and a host of other fringe groups use the US flag in their iconography.

http://www.clevelandpeople.com/images/native-american/indian-flag.jpg

AmPat
03-16-2012, 02:04 PM
Oh look, Nova has come in and is acting better(and smarter) than the rest of us. We "people" have apparently triggered his "I've had enough" switch and it is time for him to patronize us Rethugs.

Thanks Nova, thanks for saving us from ourselves and showing us the right way to think. You're the best.:rolleyes:

Odysseus
03-16-2012, 02:41 PM
Oh for God's sake people. In the first place, any "law" pertaining to what you can or can't do with a flag that you own is nullified by the First Amendment... as it should be. It might make me furious to see Mexicans drag the flag in the street of Los Angeles, but it's because they are advocating the destruction of the United States, not because they are incorporating a flag in their political statement. And yes, I cheered when the guy in San Diego or some crappy town in California took down the US flag from a Mexican store, because it was being flown under the Mexican flag. Resistance is not futile.

People have been altering and/or incorporating the US flag in political statements, commercial advertising, and parody for a long time, probably as long as there has been a US flag. The Ku Klux Klan and a host of other fringe groups use the US flag in their iconography.

http://www.clevelandpeople.com/images/native-american/indian-flag.jpg

I'm willing to concede that the Democratic Party is a fringe group, but they keep getting enough signatures to get their candidates on the ballot, so we have to pay at least some attention to their activities.

Janice
03-19-2012, 09:52 PM
First we had school children singing praises and reciting poetry for 0bama, which happened after his immaculation. Now we find the stars and stripes (less the stars) with a picture of 0bama in the stars place. This is the kind of thing that appears in Cuba, China and the former USSR. Not in the USA. Why dont the Democrats drop the pretense and just identify themselves as the communist party of the United States? As I understand it about 70 of them are already members as it is.

The leader of the Communist Party USA is telling his supporters to unite with democrats. (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/01/us-communist-leader-urges-unification-with-democratic-party/)

"Currently, the conditions rarely if ever allow us to run open Communists for office. When members do run for office, it is within the auspices of the Democratic Party. Otherwise, we find ourselves supporting progressive (and in some instances not-so-progressive) Democratic candidates. Despite how much many of us would love to run comrades for office as Communists, we all agree that this is how we currently have to function in this political climate."

“What was once impossible during the Bush years has become possible, thanks to the election of Barack Obama.” (http://keywiki.org/index.php/Communist_Party_USA)

Odysseus
03-20-2012, 08:27 AM
First we had school children singing praises and reciting poetry for 0bama, which happened after his immaculation. Now we find the stars and stripes (less the stars) with a picture of 0bama in the stars place. This is the kind of thing that appears in Cuba, China and the former USSR. Not in the USA. Why dont the Democrats drop the pretense and just identify themselves as the communist party of the United States? As I understand it about 70 of them are already members as it is.

The leader of the Communist Party USA is telling his supporters to unite with democrats. (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/01/us-communist-leader-urges-unification-with-democratic-party/)

"Currently, the conditions rarely if ever allow us to run open Communists for office. When members do run for office, it is within the auspices of the Democratic Party. Otherwise, we find ourselves supporting progressive (and in some instances not-so-progressive) Democratic candidates. Despite how much many of us would love to run comrades for office as Communists, we all agree that this is how we currently have to function in this political climate."

“What was once impossible during the Bush years has become possible, thanks to the election of Barack Obama.” (http://keywiki.org/index.php/Communist_Party_USA)

Notice that the Democrats never repudiate the communists that support them. When David Duke won a Republican primary for governor of Louisiana, the Republican party endorsed the Democrat. That never happens when the Democrats nominate an out and out Stalinist or any other monstrous ideologue.

DumbAss Tanker
03-20-2012, 10:56 AM
First we had school children singing praises and reciting poetry for 0bama, which happened after his immaculation. Now we find the stars and stripes (less the stars) with a picture of 0bama in the stars place. This is the kind of thing that appears in Cuba, China and the former USSR. Not in the USA. Why dont the Democrats drop the pretense and just identify themselves as the communist party of the United States? As I understand it about 70 of them are already members as it is.


Just practice the phrase "Führer, wir folgen!" You'll need it if he gets re-elected.