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Janice
03-15-2012, 10:29 AM
http://i.imgur.com/vODJ2.jpg

Justice Department is protecting voter fraud (http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/2012/03/justice-department-protecting-voter-fraud/371281)

As the U.S. Justice Department sought to block voter identification laws in three states, an Albuquerque, N.M., man recently registered his dog to vote. Thomas Tolbert used a fake Social Security number and date of birth to fill out a voter registration card for his dog, Buddy. He mailed it in and, two weeks later, got a voter registration card for Buddy. >>>

My response to all this ProgressNow New Mexico muckraking is: So what? Do they really expect us to believe they're so shocked and appalled at Tolbert's law-breaking, when it's liberals and progressives who've not only winked at, but also tacitly condoned and encouraged, illegal immigration across the land?

It is because of such voter fraud of the type Tolbert was able to pull off that Republicans, across the land, have advocated voter identification laws. And it is "progressives" and liberals of the ilk of ProgressNow New Mexico who have fought those laws tooth and nail. Some of those liberals and progressives are in President Obama's administration. His Justice Department might be characterized as "illegal immigrant friendly."

In December, Obama's Justice Department challenged South Carolina's voter identification law. Obama and his party clearly want as many of what they consider undocumented Democrats -- that would be illegal immigrants to the rest of us -- to have unfettered access to the polls. MORE ...

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Voter fraud to this Regime, is any person voting Republican. Lets see how many Black Panthers show up at your polling place in November, to make sure that you vote properly.

txradioguy
03-15-2012, 10:38 AM
Liberals hate voiter ID laws because it stops their ability to cheat in elections...which is the only way they can win.

wwworkingguy
03-15-2012, 11:13 AM
I think that we should have a national id card for every citizen. Other countries like Brazil have this. I don't understand the resistance to this. We already have social security #'s and that is a form of national id but it doesn't have a picture on it and is so flimsy as to be easily counterfited.
Allowing people to vote without current picture id is absolutely ludicris. Only a party or a justice department that is seeking chaos & the breakdown of our system would want this.

linda22003
03-15-2012, 11:19 AM
I think that we should have a national id card for every citizen. Other countries like Brazil have this. I don't understand the resistance to this.

I agree this would be the most effective solution, and I DO think there should be voter ID. Ironically, it's been the conservatives who have been against a national ID card, especially the religious right who think there's some sort of "666" aspect to it.

Novaheart
03-15-2012, 11:26 AM
....... when it's liberals and progressives who've not only winked at, but also tacitly condoned and encouraged, illegal immigration across the land?

This is not a "Well they do it too!" comment. You are dangerously incorrect if you think that the GOP isn't party to the illegal immigration in this country as well. It's not a liberal vs conservative thing. I am damned if I know what it is precisely but it appears that liberals support illegal immigration for warm and fuzzy reasons and conservatives support it because it depresses wages. And since the last amnesty (and you know who did that, right?) the "hispanics" and "latinos" (ie those who ID as Mexican regardless of citizenship) are now a subculture that promises to become a political force to be reckoned with.

When both parties tell you that it's impossible to deport the illegal aliens, it's time to form/join a new party.

Novaheart
03-15-2012, 11:32 AM
I think that we should have a national id card for every citizen. Other countries like Brazil have this. I don't understand the resistance to this.

Careful now, you'll be accused of subordinating US law to Brazilian law there.

But seriously, I don't know how old you are or what your heritage is, but like many Americans, perhaps most of my demographic, for some reason a national ID card strikes hard at a cultural memory or standard of a vast and slightly disjoint country of America, where a person can "Go west!" or go somewhere and start over. Nowadays, you go west or go north to Alaska and when you get pulled over for 26 in a 25 they will have your records from birth onward on the cop car computer.

Why does it have to be a national ID? Why not a state issued ID? Why can't the registrar of voters issue an ID?

Janice
03-15-2012, 12:18 PM
... You are dangerously incorrect if you think that the GOP isn't party to the illegal immigration in this country as well. It's not a liberal vs conservative thing. I am damned if I know what it is precisely ...


Repubs like illegals for cheap farm labor. Dems like illegals for (illegal) votes to change a constitutionally established representative republic to a sort of welfare state or third world ghetto by consolidating top down command control centralized power not unlike an oligarchy with them in charge. Sort of like Cuba or Iran or take your choice. There are many such tyrannical regimes out there. But its two separate issues.

The next step is they will be attempting to vote for us by proxy, because we are just too stupid to know how to (properly) vote (democrat) for ourselves. You can see the progression if you stand back a little ... in fact I believe it has already happened on a small scale in this country.

On the other side of the coin, there are slugs crawling on the ground who have more backbone than the current GOP leadership. You have to give the left credit. They are willing to fight tooth and nail to dissolve god given (not govt given) individual liberty, property rights, etc. to empower themselves. The left (w/the aid of the gutless right) is always there to prove just how intoxicating power really can be.

Odysseus
03-15-2012, 12:59 PM
Careful now, you'll be accused of subordinating US law to Brazilian law there.

But seriously, I don't know how old you are or what your heritage is, but like many Americans, perhaps most of my demographic, for some reason a national ID card strikes hard at a cultural memory or standard of a vast and slightly disjoint country of America, where a person can "Go west!" or go somewhere and start over. Nowadays, you go west or go north to Alaska and when you get pulled over for 26 in a 25 they will have your records from birth onward on the cop car computer.

Why does it have to be a national ID? Why not a state issued ID? Why can't the registrar of voters issue an ID?

Most of the proposed laws require only showing a valid photo ID, which can be a drivers license (state), military ID (federal), passport (federa) or something of equal standing. If showing a photo ID isn't too much of a hurdle to enter a public building, such as a courthouse, then why is it too much of a hurdle to vote?

Michael Goodwin came up with a great question about this in the NY Post, where he asked, would you be willing to get on a plane if nobody had to show their ID?

linda22003
03-15-2012, 01:03 PM
Michael Goodwin came up with a great question about this in the NY Post, where he asked, would you be willing to get on a plane if nobody had to show their ID?

I'm old enough to remember that I used to do it all the time. :concern:

Odysseus
03-15-2012, 02:32 PM
I'm old enough to remember that I used to do it all the time. :concern:

Same here. I also remember being able to carry a pocket knife onto a plane, or into a court house, or to school. But, that's not the issue. Does airline travel discriminate against minorities? Should Holder be investigated the TSA? It seems to me that minorities who cannot get photo IDs have a built in excuse for missing their court dates, though. "I'm sorry, your honor, but they wouldn't let me in without a photo ID, and I'm too oppressed to get one, so I missed my hearing." Do rental car agencies discriminate (they must, since you have to have a drivers license to rent a car, darn those racist bastards!)?

Photo ID requirements are so common that to claim that they are an insurmountable hurdle to voting is like claiming that having a pulse shouldn't be a requirement for voting (Yes, I know that it isn't a requirement in Chicago, but that's my point).

AmPat
03-15-2012, 03:02 PM
Liberals had better beware! There is only so much that the public will take before we react.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1946)

linda22003
03-15-2012, 03:02 PM
The response I've heard to your examples is that "people can choose to fly or rent a car, but voting is a RIGHT." Seriously, that's the response. That's the side which calls it "voter suppression". :cool:

Odysseus
03-15-2012, 03:43 PM
The response I've heard to your examples is that "people can choose to fly or rent a car, but voting is a RIGHT." Seriously, that's the response. That's the side which calls it "voter suppression". :cool:

Okay... Then I guess that the other things that require photo ID aren't rights, either. For example:

Welfare, health care and other aid from the government aren't rights, because you have to provide photo ID to apply.
The newly created right to marry is obviously not a right, since you have to produce photo ID when they apply for the license. I guess that gays without photo IDs are doubly persecuted...
There must not be a right to house yourself, since you can't get a lease without a photo ID.
We're told that there is a right to credit, since banks are being punished for not making loans or providing other services. Clearly, those banks that require photo ID to open accounts, extend credit or provide other services are denying the rights of the disenfranchised.
For that matter, you cannot even drive a car without a license. Is the movement of people, goods and services within the country simply a "choice", or do we have a right to move freely? Remember, these are the same moonbats who argued that police traffic stops on election day were an attempt at voter intimidation. Are they seriously arguing that voting is a right, but driving to the polling place is just a choice? Does that mean that if the police block vehicular traffic at polling places, they aren't infringing on the rights of voters?
Applying for a job requires a photo ID and Social Security number. Now, it's true that Democrats don't really care about the poor applying for jobs, but they also need a photo ID to get food stamps, welfare or just about any other kind of public assistance.
Registering for school requires a photo ID, either for the parent, or if the student is an adult.

AmPat
03-15-2012, 10:28 PM
Gotta have enough photo ID to fly but to vote, nah, just show up!

Show up, point like Grog at the polling station, look homeless and dirty, act stupid, and they'll let you vote. After all, you cannot be a dreaded Republican citizen looking so filthy, you are most likely a desirable illegal alien who votes DimoRAT.

m00
03-16-2012, 02:08 AM
I don't understand the resistance to this.

In my mind, the danger in requiring citizens to have and carry around "papers" proving legality is that one must supply them upon demand to law enforcement, or government agents. Currently, it's not illegal to be without ID if you are a US citizen just walking around town. The next step an oppressive government takes is denying or obstructing the issuance of those papers to whomever it defines as undesirables.

NJCardFan
03-16-2012, 04:46 AM
I agree this would be the most effective solution, and I DO think there should be voter ID. Ironically, it's been the conservatives who have been against a national ID card, especially the religious right who think there's some sort of "666" aspect to it.

You're an idiot. Please provide documentation where any religious organization balks at a national ID because it means 666.

linda22003
03-16-2012, 08:33 AM
You're an idiot. Please provide documentation where any religious organization balks at a national ID because it means 666.

Not organization. Individuals (as represented on FR, for example), who think that it's just one step away from implanted chips and Revelation....

Here's a beaut.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLT7i3FbRTY

Odysseus
03-16-2012, 09:24 AM
In my mind, the danger in requiring citizens to have and carry around "papers" proving legality is that one must supply them upon demand to law enforcement, or government agents. Currently, it's not illegal to be without ID if you are a US citizen just walking around town. The next step an oppressive government takes is denying or obstructing the issuance of those papers to whomever it defines as undesirables.

We're not talking about requiring citizens to carry around "papers", we're talking about using an already-issued photo ID to prove identity before voting. You can still go to Wal-Mart without your ID (although you may have a problem buying that big-screen TV), you just can't vote without it.

SaintLouieWoman
03-16-2012, 09:36 PM
In Florida, even though you have valid insurance cards, the dictors' offices demand a photo ID, I guess because of all the grifters here who would use someone else's insurance card.

Have no problem showing my photo ID when voting. It's a valid way to help curb voter fraud.

AmPat
03-18-2012, 09:49 AM
Liberals hate voiter ID laws because it stops their ability to cheat in elections...which is the only way they can win.


I think that we should have a national id card for every citizen. Other countries like Brazil have this. I don't understand the resistance to this. We already have social security #'s and that is a form of national id but it doesn't have a picture on it and is so flimsy as to be easily counterfited.
Allowing people to vote without current picture id is absolutely ludicris. Only a party or a justice department that is seeking chaos & the breakdown of our system would want this.


I agree this would be the most effective solution, and I DO think there should be voter ID. Ironically, it's been the conservatives who have been against a national ID card, especially the religious right who think there's some sort of "666" aspect to it.
Liberals are hypocrites. They know they are falsley claiming "disenfranchisement" when they make their ludicrous claims about voter ID laws. They also know the real reason is simply to violate voting laws in order to build power so that they can ultimately tear down the ultimate law of the land in the Constitution.

Why is it that the DIMS (and make no mistake, O Blah Blah care is a DIM law), put a national health care ID into their horrid Frankenstien of a law? Of course only taxpayers will be penalized initially since the IRS is the Brownshirt enforcers, but ultimately all will have to have it.

There is absolutely NO reason for ANY national ID as I don't vote in a National voting station. I vote in a STATE voting precinct and show STATE ID. If a minority is too lazy or stupid to acquire state ID, he is too lazy or stupid to vote.

As for the 666 angle, you have to admit, if it were to happen it would have to start somewhere. A requirement for national ID is a potential starting point whether you ridicule it or not.