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Rockntractor
03-17-2012, 06:49 PM
By John Suarez


"We must say here what is a known truth, which we have always expressed before the world: firing squad executions, yes, we have executed; we are executing and we will continue to execute as long as is necessary. Our struggle is a struggle to the death."
Ernesto "Che" Guevara de la Serna
UN General Assembly, 1964

Film makers have been erecting a romantic image of Che Guevara from the days of his youth, as in Walter Salles's film ''The Motorcycle Diaries,"or his final days in Bolivia in Steven Soderbergh's " Che Guevara." It is important to highlight Guevara's actual message, actions, and legacy. Both films are a revisionist white wash that ignore both the atrocities committed, his hate filled writings, and their aftermath not only in Cuba but in the Americas.

The image of Che Guevara hanging in the College dorms of student radicals in 2009 may be cliche but his message is not. In his Message to the Tricontinental Guevara argued that hatred was something to be harnessed and used: "Not only as an element to struggle against injustice," but to be used to perpetrate new injustices. Guevara describes the utilization of hatred or as he put it "relentless hatred to impel us over and beyond the natural limitations of man." This use of hatred to encourage the dehumanization of an adversary is but another manifestation of the doctrine found throughout the centuries to justify mass murder and torture.

If hate was the solution to all problems then the heroes of the 20th century would have been: Lenin, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and Guevara. Instead they are viewed in most quarters as mass murderers and criminals except for those who are blinded by their "relentless hatred" of their fellow human and/or their political ideology. History has demonstrated two fundamental approaches to change the world. One way views hatred of the other as an element of the struggle in which the ends justify whatever means and has been the way for the individuals listed above.

Che Guevara was an admirer of Mao Zedong and his formulation of guerilla warfare is adapted from the Chinese leader. Che published influential manuals Guerrilla Warfare (1961) and Guerrilla Warfare: A Method (1963), which were based on his own experiences and partly chairman Mao Zedong's writings. Guevara stated that revolution in Latin America must come through insurgent forces developed in rural areas with peasant support. His international legacy of glorifying violence through an erroneous analysis of guerilla warfare, based on his experiences with the Batista army, which was too incompetent and corrupt to fight, and applying Zedong's writings on the subject led to bloodbaths in Argentina, Chile, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Chiapas, Congo, Angola and decades of military dictatorship and political violence. Nevertheless it could have been worse. Che was killed in 1967 in the jungles of Bolivia. Another disciple of Mao Zedong who adapted his theories was Pol Pot, who unlike Che achieved power in 1975 after a long guerilla struggle in Cambodia. He carried out a radical revolution modeled after Mao and ended by killing 25% of the entire population of his country: Cambodia.

Children in Cuba beginning at age 5 are taught to chant " We will be like Che!" every Friday at school. They are taught to be like the man who saw people as material to be molded and shaped in Guevaras own words: " To build communism, you must build new men as well as the new economic base. Hence it is very important to choose correctly the instrument for mobilizing the masses. Basically, this instrument must be moral in character, without neglecting, however, a correct utilization of the material stimulus-especially of a social character." One method of material stimulus was the firing squad. Che Guevara personally carried out hundreds of executions and issued even more death warrants. According to journalist Luis Ortega, who knew him, Che sent 1,897 men to the firing squad.

The consequences of building violent, selective, and cold killing machines is that these means lead to tragic ends that continue the cycle of violence and bloodshed. One example took place in the early morning hours of July 13, 1994 just six miles from Havana's sea wall, the Malecon, out in the ocean a tug-boat with more than 71 Cubans trying to head for sanctuary were attacked. These victims were met by other tugboats captained by Che's "new men" who used high pressure hoses to knock these refugees overboard into the sea, and later rammed and sank the boat drowning 41 passengers. 21 of the dead were women and children. Ten years after the massacre acts of remembrance were carried out around the world. Jorge Garcia, who lost 14 family members on the tugboat, spoke out rejecting Che Guevara's approach while embracing another: "There are those who think that we should be full of rancor and a thirst for vengeance, but I don't want revenge. I feel sorry for the people who assassinated my family but I do want a trial so that this situation can serve as a lesson and that these people or others like them in other parts of the world, don't do this kind of thing again. Not in Cuba. Not anywhere. Seek justice but not revenge. Address an injustice with justice not new injustices.

This is a radical alternative to Che Guevara and Mao Zedong, tragically an alternative that would have saved tens of millions of more lives in the past century. Its philosophical underpinning is found in the statement: " Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. This path has and continues to be followed by persons of such diverse backgrounds as Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., Lech Walesa, Vaclav Havel, Corazon Aquino, Desmond Tutu, Aung San Suu Kyi, and Dr. Oscar Elias Biscet. These men and women have demonstrated that hatred is something to be overcome, not an "element of struggle," but rather a stumbling block to freedom. Martin Luther King Jr. spoke of the challenge in November of 1960 in reference to sit-ins organized to protest segregation:

The sit-in demonstrations seek to secure moral ends through moral means. And ever so often in history when men seek to achieve the splendid goals of freedom, human dignity, and justice they resort to methods of violence, such as guerilla warfare, such as assassination, and other methods of bloody revolution. We see here a crusade without violence, and there is no attempt on the part of those who engaged in sit-ins to annihilate the opponent but to convert him. I submit that this method is justifiable because it uses moral, humanitarian, and constructive means in order to achieve the constructive end.

Guevara had been executed on October 9, 1967 and just months before his own assassination Martin Luther King Jr. called on his staff to combat the romantic illusion of guerilla warfare in the style of Che Guevara among young radicals concluding: "We must not be intimidated by those who are laughing at nonviolence now."

Che Guevara argued in his writings and speeches that hatred is good because it, "transforms us into effective, violent, selective, and cold killing machines" Yet Mahatma Gandhi directly challenged this kind of thinking when decades before Che arrived on the political scene others advocated the same methods as Guevara in India arguing with great prescience: "It is a cowardly thought, that of killing others. Whom do you suppose to free by assassination? The millions of India do not desire it. Those who are intoxicated by the wretched modern civilization think these things. Those who will rise to power by murder will certainly not make the nation happy."

Forty years after the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. an African American will take the oath of office and become President of the United States in a country that has profoundly changed. What of the rest of Latin America? Guevara's call to action in a hemisphere with too many military juntas led to new military juntas in countries that had not known them before in their history: Brazil, Ecuador, Honduras, Panama, Uruguay, and Suriname all had their first military juntas after Guevara's Message to the Tricontinental. Other countries such as Chile who had known a military junta between 1924 and 1931 in reaction to communist threats embraced Augusto Pinochet in 1973 who remained in power for seventeen years. With the exception of Nicaragua Che Guevara's prescription for revolution in Latin America led to a generation of military dictatorships and harsh repression. In Nicaragua it led to a Marxist dictatorship and civil war. Ironically, Pinochet was brought down by followers of Gandhi and King who through non-violent action pressured Pinochet into a plebiscite which he lost and through persistence and patience sought and continue to seek justice for his victims.



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Novaheart
03-18-2012, 12:35 AM
OK, so here's the deal:

A while ago, Adam Wood posted that I was probably sitting in my house in my Che Guevara t-shirt. This must have been in a December, because when my nephew called from California, I told him that I would like a Che t-shirt for Christmas. He asked me why I wanted a Che t-shirt, and I said, "Because it pisses people off." It came a few days later. Like this:

http://www.moonbattery.com/che-t-shirt.jpg

I wore it a couple of times to Walmart, and I started getting the knowing nod from some of your garden variety pseudo hippie young college guys.

Rockntractor
03-18-2012, 12:49 AM
OK, so here's the deal:

A while ago, Adam Wood posted that I was probably sitting in my house in my Che Guevara t-shirt. This must have been in a December, because when my nephew called from California, I told him that I would like a Che t-shirt for Christmas. He asked me why I wanted a Che t-shirt, and I said, "Because it pisses people off." It came a few days later. Like this:

http://www.moonbattery.com/che-t-shirt.jpg

I wore it a couple of times to Walmart, and I started getting the knowing nod from some of your garden variety pseudo hippie young college guys.

I don't think anyone here would be surprised to know that you would wear that.

NJCardFan
03-18-2012, 01:03 AM
I don't think anyone here would be surprised to know that you would wear that.
Or think it's a joke.

Odysseus
03-18-2012, 10:37 AM
OK, so here's the deal:

A while ago, Adam Wood posted that I was probably sitting in my house in my Che Guevara t-shirt. This must have been in a December, because when my nephew called from California, I told him that I would like a Che t-shirt for Christmas. He asked me why I wanted a Che t-shirt, and I said, "Because it pisses people off." It came a few days later. Like this:

http://www.moonbattery.com/che-t-shirt.jpg

I wore it a couple of times to Walmart, and I started getting the knowing nod from some of your garden variety pseudo hippie young college guys.

If your only goal is to piss people off with your T-shirts, I can send you a few others that will accomplish the same thing.

http://www.nsm88.org/merchandise/shirts/swastika%20shirt.jpg

And here's one of Himmler. After all, he had the same job that Guevara did, he just worked for a more efficient dictator:

http://www.hakubi.us/foundation/data/himmler-t-shirt

Guevara pisses people off because he was a mass-murdering, cowardly thug, and because ignorant people think that he's cool. He isn't. Miami is full of Cuban-Americans whose relatives were murdered by him, and I'm surprised that you haven't gotten your head handed to you by one of them.

Novaheart
03-18-2012, 11:32 AM
If your only goal is to piss people off with your T-shirts, I can send you a few others that will accomplish the same thing.

http://www.nsm88.org/merchandise/shirts/swastika%20shirt.jpg

I wouldn't wear that, and the two do not convey the same message regardless of how you might feel about them. Adolf Hitler is not a pop icon, and Che Cuevara unquestionably is. He is a poor choice for a pop icon, but he is one nonetheless.

Now the really funny/sad/ignorant thing about Che imagery, is that it is employed by Mexicans and Mexican-Americans in addition to assorted hippies and incense burning blacks in California. Guevara's opinion of Mexicans is blunt and well known, and it's difficult to imagine that he held blacks in any higher regard.

Novaheart
03-18-2012, 11:34 AM
I don't think anyone here would be surprised to know that you would wear that.

And yet, you aren't making the connection that I neither owned a Che Guevara t-shirt nor did I want one until Adam Wood accused me of sitting around wearing one while posting about Single Payer health insurance.

Rockntractor
03-18-2012, 12:46 PM
And yet, you aren't making the connection that I neither owned a Che Guevara t-shirt nor did I want one until Adam Wood accused me of sitting around wearing one while posting about Single Payer health insurance.

There is no reason of any kind to wear a shirt with the picture of a murder and torturer.

Novaheart
03-18-2012, 01:01 PM
There is no reason of any kind to wear a shirt with the picture of a murder and torturer.

Sarcasm.

Don't go all DU on me there Rock.

Rockntractor
03-18-2012, 01:12 PM
Sarcasm.

Don't go all DU on me there Rock.

I have studied these guys a lot, Guevara, Mao, Stalin, Hitler etc... the heartache and pain they have brought to this world are immeasurable and beyond comprehension.

Novaheart
03-18-2012, 01:39 PM
I have studied these guys a lot, Guevara, Mao, Stalin, Hitler etc... the heartache and pain they have brought to this world are immeasurable and beyond comprehension.

There are those who claim that the entire white race has done exactly that. How Mao gets included in that, I don't know.

Novaheart
03-18-2012, 01:40 PM
If your only goal is to piss people off with your T-shirts,

Just out of curiosity, how do you feel about the BNP and the AWP?

SaintLouieWoman
03-18-2012, 01:59 PM
And yet, you aren't making the connection that I neither owned a Che Guevara t-shirt nor did I want one until Adam Wood accused me of sitting around wearing one while posting about Single Payer health insurance.

So if I said that you're sitting around with the Nazi symbol on a shirt, would you run out and buy one or request one as a gift? The logic escapes me.

I wouldn't feel good with some of the uninformed kids giving me the "look" of recognition as one of them. It's bad enough when SR wears some of his conservative shirts. He endures the looks of all the libs around Sarasota. But he sure in the heck isn't wearing the face of a mass murderer on his shirt. He gets the glares for wearing his Hannity's Freedom Shirt, the concerts for the benefit of our military families, scholarships for the kids of those gravely injured or killed in the defense of our country. We've been to one concert in San Diego and one in Orlando, both with that good ole boy Charlie Daniels.

Odysseus
03-18-2012, 02:24 PM
I wouldn't wear that, and the two do not convey the same message regardless of how you might feel about them. Adolf Hitler is not a pop icon, and Che Cuevara unquestionably is. He is a poor choice for a pop icon, but he is one nonetheless.

Himmler and Che were both mass murderers and bigots who served totalitarian regimes. The shirts do convey the same message, it's just that one of them is better known. Your justification for wearing the Che shirt is that his evil past isn't as widely known as Himmler's, therefore it's okay to wear his image, even though you live in a community that includes many of the families of his victims. The message that you send to ignorant hippies like the one that you got the nod from is that you are just as ignorant, and therefore like-minded. The message that you send to those who do know Guevara's history is that you are either an ignorant tool or an enabler of mass murder.


Now the really funny/sad/ignorant thing about Che imagery, is that it is employed by Mexicans and Mexican-Americans in addition to assorted hippies and incense burning blacks in California. Guevara's opinion of Mexicans is blunt and well known, and it's difficult to imagine that he held blacks in any higher regard.

Guevara loathed blacks. His diaries include multiple racist rants against them, which somehow didn't make it into the movie. Here are some quotes, including the Mexican comment:


“The black is indolent and a dreamer; spending his meager wage on frivolity or drink; the European has a tradition of work and saving, which has pursued him as far as this corner of America and drives him to advance himself, even independently of his own individual aspirations.”

“The blacks, those magnificent examples of the African race who have maintained their racial purity thanks to their lack of an affinity with bathing, have seen their territory invaded by a new kind of slave: the Portuguese.”

“The first person we hit on was the mayor, someone called Cohen; we had heard a lot about him, that he was Jewish as far as money was concerned but a good sort.”

“The episode upset us a little because the poor man, apart from being homosexual and a first-rate bore, had been very nice to us, giving us 10 soles each, bringing our total to 479 for me and 163 1/2 to Alberto.”

That last is rather interesting. It seems that Che didn't care for gays, either. When he set up Castro's concentration camps, he made sure that gays were well represented:


“We only send to Guanahacabibes those doubtful cases where we are not sure people should go to jail… people who have committed crimes against revolutionary morals, to a lesser or greater degree.... It is hard labor, not brute labor, rather the working conditions there are hard.”


So if I said that you're sitting around with the Nazi symbol on a shirt, would you run out and buy one or request one as a gift? The logic escapes me.

I wouldn't feel good with some of the uninformed kids giving me the "look" of recognition as one of them. It's bad enough when SR wears some of his conservative shirts. He endures the looks of all the libs around Sarasota. But he sure in the heck isn't wearing the face of a mass murderer on his shirt. He gets the glares for wearing his Hannity's Freedom Shirt, the concerts for the benefit of our military families, scholarships for the kids of those gravely injured or killed in the defense of our country. We've been to one concert in San Diego and one in Orlando, both with that good ole boy Charlie Daniels.

Charlie Daniels came to Balad, in Iraq, and put on a concert for us when I was there. I wrote the OPORD for our leg of his tour, and his guys were great. Sadly, I had duty the night of the concert, but my boss was presented with the violin bow that he wore out that night.

JB
03-18-2012, 06:11 PM
Here's wishing you a better Christmas this year:

http://thoseshirts.com/images/square-med-lousy.jpg


http://thoseshirts.com/images/square-med-checap.jpg

SaintLouieWoman
03-18-2012, 06:27 PM
Charlie Daniels came to Balad, in Iraq, and put on a concert for us when I was there. I wrote the OPORD for our leg of his tour, and his guys were great. Sadly, I had duty the night of the concert, but my boss was presented with the violin bow that he wore out that night.

He seems to be a very good guy as well as good musician. We really enjoyed listening to him at those concerts. Wish you could have seen him in Iraq.