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Rockntractor
03-27-2012, 07:48 PM
A roadblock humans have in deciphering intelligence in animals is that we can't help but assume the smartest ones must resemble us. Clearly, nobody told that to the pig.

How is intelligence measured? After all, even people can be intelligent or extraordinary in many ways. Some excel at math, and some are gifted linguists. Others fail in the academic arena entirely, and shine as masterful artists. One way to measure intelligence is based on the ability to solve problems.

The associations people have made with the word, ‘pig’, are less than glamorous. In fact, there are downright negative connotations attached to the word, which is why we use it to insult people. But, let’s put aside our preconceived ideas of what we think a pig is, let’s take a look at who they really are.

Pigs have been touted as the smartest, and the cleanest domestic animals in the world. The phrases, “sweat like a pig” or “smell like a pig”, may come to mind. But, consider that pigs don’t have sweat glands, and therefore, can’t sweat (except on the very ends of their snouts). The lack of sweat glands means lack of odor - affording no credibility to either statement.

To compensate for the lack of a natural way to bring their body temperature down, pigs seek out water or mud. Pigs rolling in mud may look uncouth, but they are actually being quite smart. The mud not only keeps them cool, but keeps biting pests at bay, and prevents sunburn.
As Smart as the Primates

Intelligence research was done with pigs in the 1990s. One of the experiments was to train the pigs to move the cursor on a video screen with their snouts. When the pigs used the cursors again, they were able to distinguish between the scribbles they already knew, and the scribbles they were seeing for the first time. The pigs learned this skill as fast as the chimpanzees.

All species of pig are smarter than dogs, and capable of abstract representation. “They can hold an icon in their mind, and remember it at a later date,” says Professor Stanley Curtis of Penn State University, who discovered that pigs dominate at video games with joy sticks. Curtis goes on to say, “Pigs are able to focus with an intensity I have never seen in a chimp.”

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Articulate_Ape
03-27-2012, 07:53 PM
I know they make better bacon than dogs.

Rockntractor
03-27-2012, 07:56 PM
I know they make better bacon than dogs.

My dogs always get sidetracked and forget to flip it over.

An Ancient Pest
03-27-2012, 09:15 PM
A roadblock humans have in deciphering intelligence in animals is that we can't help but assume the smartest ones must resemble us. Clearly, nobody told that to the pig.

How is intelligence measured? After all, even people can be intelligent or extraordinary in many ways. Some excel at math, and some are gifted linguists. Others fail in the academic arena entirely, and shine as masterful artists. One way to measure intelligence is based on the ability to solve problems.

The associations people have made with the word, ‘pig’, are less than glamorous. In fact, there are downright negative connotations attached to the word, which is why we use it to insult people. But, let’s put aside our preconceived ideas of what we think a pig is, let’s take a look at who they really are.

Pigs have been touted as the smartest, and the cleanest domestic animals in the world. The phrases, “sweat like a pig” or “smell like a pig”, may come to mind. But, consider that pigs don’t have sweat glands, and therefore, can’t sweat (except on the very ends of their snouts). The lack of sweat glands means lack of odor - affording no credibility to either statement.

To compensate for the lack of a natural way to bring their body temperature down, pigs seek out water or mud. Pigs rolling in mud may look uncouth, but they are actually being quite smart. The mud not only keeps them cool, but keeps biting pests at bay, and prevents sunburn.
As Smart as the Primates

Intelligence research was done with pigs in the 1990s. One of the experiments was to train the pigs to move the cursor on a video screen with their snouts. When the pigs used the cursors again, they were able to distinguish between the scribbles they already knew, and the scribbles they were seeing for the first time. The pigs learned this skill as fast as the chimpanzees.

All species of pig are smarter than dogs, and capable of abstract representation. “They can hold an icon in their mind, and remember it at a later date,” says Professor Stanley Curtis of Penn State University, who discovered that pigs dominate at video games with joy sticks. Curtis goes on to say, “Pigs are able to focus with an intensity I have never seen in a chimp.”

Read more at Suite101: The Intelligent Pig: The Smartest Domestic Animal in The World | Suite101.com http://chris-mclaughlin.suite101.com/the-intelligent-pig-a84448#ixzz1qMdT33gL
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If pigs are intelligent, why do they let us domesticate them? That in and of itself blows that assertion, for letting humans control you is a sign that you're a dependent ignoramus and intellectually unable to control your own destiny... much like some other humans.

Rockntractor
03-27-2012, 09:17 PM
If pigs are intelligent, why do they let us domesticate them? That in and of itself blows that assertion, for letting humans control you is a sign that you're a dependent ignoramus and intellectually unable to control your own destiny... much like some other humans.

Pretty much like how you allow the democratic party control you.

FYI
I moved this out of the lounge but if you would like to read the rules for future reference the lounge is to be kept light hearted.

Articulate_Ape
03-27-2012, 09:24 PM
If pigs are intelligent, why do they let us domesticate them? That in and of itself blows that assertion, for letting humans control you is a sign that you're a dependent ignoramus and intellectually unable to control your own destiny... much like some other humans.

Read the book The Botany of Desire (http://www.amazon.com/The-Botany-Desire-Plants-Eye-World/dp/0375760393/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1332897653&sr=8-1). While it is about plants and how they may actually manipulate us, it is also applicable to all living organisms, including the lowly trough-slurping, mud-wallowing, grunters that make a fine sausage.

An Ancient Pest
03-27-2012, 09:49 PM
Read the book The Botany of Desire (http://www.amazon.com/The-Botany-Desire-Plants-Eye-World/dp/0375760393/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1332897653&sr=8-1). While it is about plants and how they may actually manipulate us, it is also applicable to all living organisms, including the lowly trough-slurping, mud-wallowing, grunters that make a fine sausage.

My reading list, frankly, will last me two lifetimes. Before I click the link though, I'll make an assertion and say that even though plants have no discernible intellect, I can't entirely dismiss what you're saying. I'd have to assume natural selection is obviously at play when, for instance, some flowering plants "manipulate" the bees and flies into helping with their pollination through the odors they give... I'm assuming there's much more to it that the book's suggesting, though?

Apache
03-27-2012, 10:23 PM
who let rat boi back????

Articulate_Ape
03-28-2012, 12:45 AM
My reading list, frankly, will last me two lifetimes.

Please. Dr. Seuss didn't pen that many books.

An Ancient Pest
03-28-2012, 02:16 AM
Please. Dr. Seuss didn't pen that many books.

But a predictable explanation on how we cultivate marijuana, potatoes and tulips to our own liking is going to be worth how many pages and hours now? Finite hours...

JB
03-28-2012, 06:07 AM
If pigs are intelligent, why do they let us domesticate them?Could be that it's all part of their plan. I've seen no evidence to the contrary.

However, why don't you go back and read the article again (or three more times if you have to) and tell us why your question does not follow the material presented in the article.


...letting humans control you is a sign that you're a dependent ignoramus and intellectually unable to control your own destiny... much like some other humans.Can you provide us with some examples of these humans (living anywhere in the world today) that are being controlled by other humans? Thanks.

An Ancient Pest
03-28-2012, 04:15 PM
Could be that it's all part of their plan. I've seen no evidence to the contrary.

However, why don't you go back and read the article again (or three more times if you have to) and tell us why your question does not follow the material presented in the article.
I read the post, JB. I merely offered a counter-point. The author appears to be mistaking pattern recognition and adaptive behavior for intelligence. There are animals, such as the elephant, for instance, that demonstrate abstract thinking and self-awareness, a sign of higher thinking. Chimpanzees, several birds and even otters demonstrate that they can use tools. And they've been able to do tests on some parrots and crows to suggest they have a sense of humor, though I can't quite recall how that was done.

The bathing example doesn't demonstrate anything other than the pigs are probably responding to sensual input. The cooling water is comfortable. There's no evidence suggesting that it's anything beyond that.

Can you provide us with some examples of these humans (living anywhere in the world today) that are being controlled by other humans? Thanks.

Um... the prison system, anyone?