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Novaheart
04-02-2012, 12:32 PM
http://freenorthcarolina.blogspot.com/2011/08/battle-flag-around-world.html

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TDZVRuOcH80/TjnPsppLZNI/AAAAAAAAAIU/OvOy8G_OuUI/s400/marines1958wy2.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-etWliHFjmWI/Tjnl1dhbffI/AAAAAAAAAJk/bM-2VYho89o/s400/Korea2.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zox6MKJn8Ug/TjnjmwXU9aI/AAAAAAAAAJc/llNKViEdIFc/s400/NAMREBS.jpg


And yes, this is a pre-emptive strike.

Zathras
04-02-2012, 12:46 PM
http://freenorthcarolina.blogspot.com/2011/08/battle-flag-around-world.html

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TDZVRuOcH80/TjnPsppLZNI/AAAAAAAAAIU/OvOy8G_OuUI/s400/marines1958wy2.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-etWliHFjmWI/Tjnl1dhbffI/AAAAAAAAAJk/bM-2VYho89o/s400/Korea2.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zox6MKJn8Ug/TjnjmwXU9aI/AAAAAAAAAJc/llNKViEdIFc/s400/NAMREBS.jpg


And yes, this is a pre-emptive strike.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/HeroesAtWork/bunny-pancake.jpg

Novaheart
04-02-2012, 12:54 PM
I have no idea what you are talking about.

Somebody got his picture taken in Afghanistan with a Rainbow Flag.

Zathras
04-02-2012, 01:01 PM
Somebody got his picture taken in Afghanistan with a Rainbow Flag.

Ooookay...and? Do you have a picture of said flag or are you just bloviating again?

Pretty dumb to pose for a picture with a gay icon that has no history in war in a country that puts gays to death because their religious leaders say so.

As opposed to a flag that has seen battle in many conflicts.

Novaheart
04-02-2012, 01:30 PM
Ooookay...and? Do you have a picture of said flag or are you just bloviating again?

You just aren't worth the trouble.

Gentleman Pirate
04-02-2012, 01:38 PM
Ok, I'll bite.


I don't understand what you are getting at with these pictures? The manufactured outrage of "racism" the confederate flag brings to the left or the pride the south uses the confederate flag as a rallying point for their people.

Zathras
04-02-2012, 01:53 PM
You just aren't worth the trouble.

So you don't have a picture of said flag and are bloviating once again, got it.

Starbuck
04-02-2012, 02:23 PM
I join locked in step with others who have no idea what this thread is about. But I'm all for it!:biggrin-new:

I think.

Zathras
04-02-2012, 02:30 PM
I join locked in step with others who have no idea what this thread is about. But I'm all for it!:biggrin-new:

I think.

Hell, I think the person who started this thread has no idea what it's about.

Novaheart
04-02-2012, 02:51 PM
Ok, I'll bite.


I don't understand what you are getting at with these pictures? The manufactured outrage of "racism" the confederate flag brings to the left or the pride the south uses the confederate flag as a rallying point for their people.

Purely and simply that the role of the Confederate flag in the various 20th century photos is a symbol of pseudo-ethnic identity. It is not the flag of the United States and unless someone here wants to allege that 20th century Southerners are in revolt and disloyal to their country, then it's not a protest flag. It's simply flag which expresses the identity of some of the soldiers present in the photos.

noonwitch
04-02-2012, 02:59 PM
Confederate flag issues aside, I am curious about where the photos were taken. The first looks like a city street in an arabic-speaking nation. The second could be anywhere, and the third one is in color, but faded color, so I assume it was taken during the Vietnam War.

Gentleman Pirate
04-02-2012, 03:05 PM
Purely and simply that the role of the Confederate flag in the various 20th century photos is a symbol of pseudo-ethnic identity. It is not the flag of the United States and unless someone here wants to allege that 20th century Southerners are in revolt and disloyal to their country, then it's not a protest flag. It's simply flag which expresses the identity of some of the soldiers present in the photos.


What city do you live in? The reason I ask is because you seem to thing you know about loyalty and respect. Let me use an analogy...

It's like up here in Seattle. People fly the Seahawk's flag religiously (they suck by the way) but it's flown from Washington to Idaho to Oregon... It a rally point for three states that use this flag as pride in the pacific northwest.. a common thing these three states have to get them pumped up as a group "against the world".

The people who fly this Seahawks flag (who suck but the way) don't use it for anything other than pride of their region. Its purely about them and what they believe in..



Seahawks suck....

Novaheart
04-02-2012, 03:19 PM
What city do you live in? The reason I ask is because you seem to thing you know about loyalty and respect. Let me use an analogy...

It's like up here in Seattle. People fly the Seahawk's flag religiously (they suck by the way) but it's flown from Washington to Idaho to Oregon... It a rally point for three states that use this flag as pride in the pacific northwest.. a common thing these three states have to get them pumped up as a group "against the world".

The people who fly this Seahawks flag (who suck but the way) don't use it for anything other than pride of their region. Its purely about them and what they believe in..



Seahawks suck....

South Pasadena, Florida and most of us neither identify with nor give a rat's ass about Tampa other than the airport being there.

Gentleman Pirate
04-02-2012, 03:22 PM
South Pasadena, Florida and most of us neither identify with nor give a rat's ass about Tampa other than the airport being there.

Then you have no clue what you are talking about..

The confederate flag isn't about race or slavery. It's about regional pride.

Odysseus
04-02-2012, 03:48 PM
Purely and simply that the role of the Confederate flag in the various 20th century photos is a symbol of pseudo-ethnic identity. It is not the flag of the United States and unless someone here wants to allege that 20th century Southerners are in revolt and disloyal to their country, then it's not a protest flag. It's simply flag which expresses the identity of some of the soldiers present in the photos.


Then you have no clue what you are talking about..
The confederate flag isn't about race or slavery. It's about regional pride.

It's also a symbol of rebellion and some white supremacist groups have adopted it as a symbol, which is why US troops who fly it or pose with it can find themselves in all kinds of trouble. Now, if some troopies is posing with a rainbow flag in the middle of a vicious Islamist state, well, let's just say that if I were his commander, I'd be explaining that the Muslims don't particularly care for such things and that he's just made himself a target, and maybe he'd like to think again before doing something that stupid.

Novaheart
04-02-2012, 07:17 PM
Then you have no clue what you are talking about..

The confederate flag isn't about race or slavery. It's about regional pride.

Thanks for sharing that. Where did I say that it was? I will now place you in the same camp with Ariana Huffington.

Novaheart
04-02-2012, 08:55 PM
Confederate flag issues aside, I am curious about where the photos were taken. The first looks like a city street in an arabic-speaking nation. The second could be anywhere, and the third one is in color, but faded color, so I assume it was taken during the Vietnam War.

Beirut 1958
Korea 1951
Vietnam undated

Zathras
04-02-2012, 09:03 PM
Thanks for sharing that. Where did I say that it was? I will now place you in the same camp with Ariana Huffington.

So, are you going to show this photo of the person in Afghanistan posing with the rainbow flag or is this just another one of your bullshit posts making the flawed argument that being gay is normal?

Kay
04-02-2012, 09:23 PM
Speaking of proudly gay troops,
here's a picture that will make you want to hurl up big chunks:

http://img.tapatalk.com/6cd3d139-500e-e0e5.jpg

This was taken at a homecoming isn't it sweet.
Can you just imagine what Chesty Puller would say.

Retread
04-02-2012, 10:19 PM
I coulda lived another 150 years without seeing that.

AmPat
04-02-2012, 11:47 PM
Semper Flacid. :blue:

txradioguy
04-03-2012, 02:46 AM
Somebody got his picture taken in Afghanistan with a Rainbow Flag.

It's a photoshop job.

Hate to burst your bubble.

txradioguy
04-03-2012, 02:47 AM
Speaking of proudly gay troops,
here's a picture that will make you want to hurl up big chunks:

http://img.tapatalk.com/6cd3d139-500e-e0e5.jpg

This was taken at a homecoming isn't it sweet.
Can you just imagine what Chesty Puller would say.

It was staged.

Kay
04-03-2012, 05:59 AM
It was staged.

It happened in Hawaii then became a big story when it was posted on Facebook.
There were articles all over about it.

http://www.military.com/news/article/gay-marines-homecoming-kiss-goes-viral.html

And then of course we had to be subjected to two Navy women kissing

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/12/21/144076413/for-first-time-women-share-first-kiss-at-a-navy-homecoming

Bailey
04-03-2012, 06:29 AM
I coulda lived another 150 years without seeing that.

Ugh it made me sick to my stomach :(

txradioguy
04-03-2012, 07:05 AM
It happened in Hawaii then became a big story when it was posted on Facebook.
There were articles all over about it.

http://www.military.com/news/article/gay-marines-homecoming-kiss-goes-viral.html

And then of course we had to be subjected to two Navy women kissing

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/12/21/144076413/for-first-time-women-share-first-kiss-at-a-navy-homecoming

I know that. And it was discussed heavily among PA types.

They were staged events designed to make front pages. They weren't spontaneous.

Rebel Yell
04-03-2012, 12:14 PM
It's also a symbol of rebellion and some white supremacist groups have adopted it as a symbol, which is why US troops who fly it or pose with it can find themselves in all kinds of trouble.

Yep, better not get caught using a flag that has been adopted by white power groups.

http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee405/herecometherebels/kkkflag3.jpg
http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee405/herecometherebels/kkkflag8.jpg
http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee405/herecometherebels/kkkflag9.jpg
http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee405/herecometherebels/kkkflag7.jpg
http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee405/herecometherebels/kkkflag6.jpg
http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee405/herecometherebels/kkkflag5.jpg
http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee405/herecometherebels/kkkflag4.jpg
http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee405/herecometherebels/kkkflag2.jpg

Novaheart
04-03-2012, 04:27 PM
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They were staged events designed to make front pages. They weren't spontaneous.

We see staged nonspontaneous homecomings on TV about every other week.

Novaheart
04-03-2012, 04:29 PM
It's a photoshop job.

Hate to burst your bubble.

No bubble involved. I was just anticipating idiotic nonsense over here by people like Bailey. You'll note that he's as predicable as nightfall.

Novaheart
04-03-2012, 04:38 PM
It's also a symbol of rebellion and some white supremacist groups have adopted it as a symbol, which is why US troops who fly it or pose with it can find themselves in all kinds of trouble. Now, if some troopies is posing with a rainbow flag in the middle of a vicious Islamist state, well, let's just say that if I were his commander, I'd be explaining that the Muslims don't particularly care for such things and that he's just made himself a target, and maybe he'd like to think again before doing something that stupid.

We don't let other people decide what the Confederate flag mean, especially hostile panties in a knot people. You will note that on that website I linked to that the Confederate flag is also displayed in Iraq and Afghanistan. I suppose it could be a photoshop as well, but I don't recall hearing a barrage of crap from white trash like Tony Perkins about it.

Arroyo_Doble
04-03-2012, 04:47 PM
I like the first Confederate Naval Jack. It reminds me of the European Union flag.

http://www.css-shenandoah.com/images/flag_naval_jack.gif


http://www.senojflags.com/images/national-flags/European-Union-Flag.gif

Zathras
04-03-2012, 06:49 PM
No bubble involved. I was just anticipating idiotic nonsense over here by people like Bailey. You'll note that he's as predicable as nightfall.

What's also predictable is you making a claim and not being able to back it up with proof.

Still waiting for you to back up your claim of someone posing with the rainbow flag in Afghanistan. Or is that bullshit like alot of your other postings?

FlaGator
04-03-2012, 07:04 PM
Then you have no clue what you are talking about..

The confederate flag isn't about race or slavery. It's about regional pride.

I thought it represented NASCAR.

Novaheart
04-03-2012, 07:21 PM
What's also predictable is you making a claim and not being able to back it up with proof.

Still waiting for you to back up your claim of someone posing with the rainbow flag in Afghanistan. Or is that bullshit like alot of your other postings?

Your Google is broken?

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/04/03/afghanistan-us-military-investigates-soldier-raising-gay-pride-flag/

Zathras
04-03-2012, 11:35 PM
Your Google is broken?

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/04/03/afghanistan-us-military-investigates-soldier-raising-gay-pride-flag/

It's not my job to provide proof for your statements. That's your job and, in this case, you did a piss poor job in doing that.

As for this being in Afghanistan? No proof of that yet...it could have been staged anywhere in the world.

If it did however, it's a sign of disrespect for the American flag that should be flying on the flagpole, not the rag the "soldier" ran up.

m00
04-04-2012, 12:48 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/Walt_Whitman_edit_2.jpg/220px-Walt_Whitman_edit_2.jpg

Approves

txradioguy
04-04-2012, 01:51 AM
Your Google is broken?

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/04/03/afghanistan-us-military-investigates-soldier-raising-gay-pride-flag/

Google's not broken but your "credible source" ability died a long time ago.

Besides the fact that raising that flag would be...if that really happened...an EO complaint waiting to happen...there is the little pesky fact that the credibility of that being an actual photo as opposed to photo shop is still in doubt.

Sorry Nova...you fail again.

Bailey
04-04-2012, 07:16 AM
No bubble involved. I was just anticipating idiotic nonsense over here by people like Bailey. You'll note that he's as predicable as nightfall.

That makes two of us. Have a nice day :)

BadCat
04-04-2012, 07:53 AM
Like we're gonna click on a website called "pinknews" coming from Nova. The "pink" there won't be pussy.

Odysseus
04-04-2012, 09:11 AM
We don't let other people decide what the Confederate flag mean, especially hostile panties in a knot people. You will note that on that website I linked to that the Confederate flag is also displayed in Iraq and Afghanistan. I suppose it could be a photoshop as well, but I don't recall hearing a barrage of crap from white trash like Tony Perkins about it.

I feel the same way about marriage. People hostile to the concept shouldn't get to redefine it.

Sometimes, a symbol or word becomes corrupted or acquires a meaning that was not originally intended, such as "liberal". The best example of this, the Swastika, was originally a Hindu symbol of good luck, but the Nazis adopted it and turned it into a symbol of evil. The Confederate flag was a symbol of rebellion. This isn't open to debate. It didn't necessarily stand for racism at the time, but the Confederacy's secession was instigated by the election of an abolitionist to the presidency, and it will always be associated with a nation that sought to keep slaves. If one of my troopies allowed himself to be photographed with a Confederate flag, I'd have to sit down with him and determine whether or not he held views which were antithetical to good order and discipline.

Bailey
04-04-2012, 09:12 AM
I feel the same way about marriage. People hostile to the concept shouldn't get to redefine it.

Sometimes, a symbol or word becomes corrupted or acquires a meaning that was not originally intended, such as "liberal". The best example of this, the Swastika, was originally a Hindu symbol of good luck, but the Nazis adopted it and turned it into a symbol of evil. The Confederate flag was a symbol of rebellion. This isn't open to debate. It didn't necessarily stand for racism at the time, but the Confederacy's secession was instigated by the election of an abolitionist to the presidency, and it will always be associated with a nation that sought to keep slaves. If one of my troopies allowed himself to be photographed with a Confederate flag, I'd have to sit down with him and determine whether or not he held views which were antithetical to good order and discipline.

That will leave a mark on Nova.

Novaheart
04-04-2012, 09:17 AM
Google's not broken but your "credible source" ability died a long time ago.

Besides the fact that raising that flag would be...if that really happened...an EO complaint waiting to happen...there is the little pesky fact that the credibility of that being an actual photo as opposed to photo shop is still in doubt.

Sorry Nova...you fail again.

I didn't "fail" (seriously, could you be more adolescent?) because I never addressed whether it was actually a rainbow flag, actually in Afghanistan, or whatever your childish brain has in mind. I was addressing the anticipated reaction to the photo of the Rainbow Flag being raised in Afghanistan.

Novaheart
04-04-2012, 09:27 AM
I feel the same way about marriage. People hostile to the concept shouldn't get to redefine it.

Sometimes, a symbol or word becomes corrupted or acquires a meaning that was not originally intended, such as "liberal". The best example of this, the Swastika, was originally a Hindu symbol of good luck, but the Nazis adopted it and turned it into a symbol of evil. The Confederate flag was a symbol of rebellion. This isn't open to debate. It didn't necessarily stand for racism at the time, but the Confederacy's secession was instigated by the election of an abolitionist to the presidency, and it will always be associated with a nation that sought to keep slaves. If one of my troopies allowed himself to be photographed with a Confederate flag, I'd have to sit down with him and determine whether or not he held views which were antithetical to good order and discipline.

None of which alters the fact that a variety of flags are displayed at one time or another in military enclosures.

As for your opinion of the Confederate flag, I find that completely consistent with other people whose communist grandparents were given refuge in this country. I don't know what it is about Eastern Europeans coming to the US and feeling entitled to piss on American culture, I suspect it's their inherent feelings of inferiority as people who abandoned their own countries. There is a "liberal" Czech on another board who sounds exactly like you.

Odysseus
04-04-2012, 09:52 AM
None of which alters the fact that a variety of flags are displayed at one time or another in military enclosures.

Yes, and we crack down on those that are going to have a negative impact on good order and discipline.


As for your opinion of the Confederate flag, I find that completely consistent with other people whose communist grandparents were given refuge in this country. I don't know what it is about Eastern Europeans coming to the US and feeling entitled to piss on American culture, I suspect it's their inherent feelings of inferiority as people who abandoned their own countries. There is a "liberal" Czech on another board who sounds exactly like you.

So, when you cannot argue the facts, you resort to this? Pathetic. My grandfather was a store owner, and hardly a communist. His brothers were a doctor and a judge. They came here because they wanted the opportunities that America offered and embraced the culture wholeheartedly.

My comments on the Confederate flag don't involve my "pissing on American culture" so much as recognizing that some parts of it are going to be controversial. I personally am not offended by that flag, but I do know that many people are, and that some persons who fly it do so in order to be offensive, rather than to show pride in their ancestry. Note that I didn't say that I'd punish the troopie who flew that flag, but that I would ask him his intent, and I'd probably tell him to take it down so as to avoid an EO complaint, because in our PC culture, which liberals like you have imposed, his intent doesn't matter so much as the perception of insult by those who view it, and I'd personally like to make it to retirement without incident.

But, while we're talking about pissing on cultures, you are aware that there is a culture to the military that you've never hesitated to moisten, right? I guess that the culture that protects you isn't worth as much as the culture that you pretend to embrace when it's convenient for you.

Odysseus
04-04-2012, 09:53 AM
I didn't "fail" (seriously, could you be more adolescent?) because I never addressed whether it was actually a rainbow flag, actually in Afghanistan, or whatever your childish brain has in mind. I was addressing the anticipated reaction to the photo of the Rainbow Flag being raised in Afghanistan.

I thought that you didn't like to deal with hypotheticals. :rolleyes:

Novaheart
04-04-2012, 09:59 AM
I thought that you didn't like to deal with hypotheticals. :rolleyes:

Predicting rain in Florida is not engaging in hypothesis. Neither is closing the car window.

Novaheart
04-04-2012, 10:31 AM
......that you've never hesitated to moisten, right?

Supporting equal rights for gay people is not pissing on the military. Feel free to consult the life of Uriah Levy and Hyman Rickover for perspective.

Bailey
04-04-2012, 10:34 AM
Supporting equal rights for gay people is not pissing on the military. Feel free to consult the life of Uriah Levy and Hyman Rickover for perspective.

They have equal rights as anyone else, you mean they want special rights.

Novaheart
04-04-2012, 10:45 AM
They have equal rights as anyone else, you mean they want special rights.

Just in case you are being a semantics ninny, or just plain ignorant, Gay military personnel are not treated equally under military policy even though DADT has ended. Their legally married spouses are not recognized for the purpose of family benefits. But they will be.

Bailey
04-04-2012, 11:15 AM
Just in case you are being a semantics ninny, or just plain ignorant, Gay military personnel are not treated equally under military policy even though DADT has ended. Their legally married spouses are not recognized for the purpose of family benefits. But they will be.


Nope I am being what they call right. You can marry the same people i can, you just want to change the rules to marry members of your own sex.

Novaheart
04-04-2012, 11:38 AM
Nope I am being what they call right. You can marry the same people i can, you just want to change the rules to marry members of your own sex.

I can also be legally and church married (to a person of the same sex) in some states and countries, just as married as any other service member.

m00
04-04-2012, 11:48 AM
So, I have a t-shirt with the Dixie Flag on it that I got in the Gettysburg tourist shop, and the words "Gettysburg" underneath. I find civil war history fascinating, and especially the evolution of warfare that came with technology innovations in rifling and the use of rail-roads. I specifically visited Gettysburg to stand on the high water mark at Pickett's Charge. I can't imagine what it was like to be coming up that hill into the union defences. Really interesting stuff. So, I'm a bit of an enthusiast.

Does wearing a t-shirt from the Gettysburg tourist shop imply that someone is a racist? What about getting their picture taken in the t-shirt?

Novaheart
04-04-2012, 11:54 AM
So, I have a t-shirt with the Dixie Flag on it that I got in the Gettysburg tourist shop, and the words "Gettysburg" underneath. I find civil war history fascinating, and especially the evolution of warfare that came with technology innovations in rifling and the use of rail-roads. I specifically visited Gettysburg to stand on the high water mark at Pickett's Charge. I can't imagine what it was like to be coming up that hill into the union defences. Really interesting stuff. So, I'm a bit of an enthusiast.

Does wearing a t-shirt from the Gettysburg tourist shop imply that someone is a racist? What about getting their picture taken in the t-shirt?

Exactly. Moreover, we really only care if some people are offended and others less so. I personally am offended by the Battle Hymn Of The Republic.

Odysseus
04-04-2012, 05:36 PM
Supporting equal rights for gay people is not pissing on the military. Feel free to consult the life of Uriah Levy and Hyman Rickover for perspective.

Demanding the complete overthrow of the military culture in order to accommodate a lifestyle that provides no benefits to the armed services is pissing on that culture.


Just in case you are being a semantics ninny, or just plain ignorant, Gay military personnel are not treated equally under military policy even though DADT has ended. Their legally married spouses are not recognized for the purpose of family benefits. But they will be.

Gay troops do not have legal spouses of the same gender according to federal law. If you want to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act, then take it up with the congress.


I can also be legally and church married (to a person of the same sex) in some states and countries, just as married as any other service member.

Yes, but you aren't as married as any other service member under federal law. As I said above, take it up with congress.

Novaheart
04-04-2012, 07:58 PM
Demanding the complete overthrow of the military culture i......

Drama Queen.



If you want to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act, then take it up with the congress. .


Don't have to, it's unconstitutional and will be undone. Scalia said so.



As I said above, take it up with congress.

Don't have to, it's unconstitutional, Scalia said so.

Odysseus
04-04-2012, 11:21 PM
Drama Queen.
Look who's talking.


Don't have to, it's unconstitutional and will be undone. Scalia said so.

Don't have to, it's unconstitutional, Scalia said so.

Scalia said nothing of the sort, and you know it. What he said was that if the "logic" of the court's decision to overturn anti sodomy laws was applied to other case law, that it would justify gay marriage, but this was his argument against overturning the anti sodomy laws.

Novaheart
04-04-2012, 11:57 PM
Scalia said nothing of the sort, and you know it. What he said was that if the "logic" of the court's decision to overturn anti sodomy laws was applied to other case law, that it would justify gay marriage, but this was his argument against overturning the anti sodomy laws.

Scalia was just whining. He knows he lost, and he knows that he'll defer to precedent when the time comes. Oh, and something I just noticed is that part of his argument has been overcome by events:

The Court views it as “discrimination” which it is the function of our judgments to deter. So imbued is the Court with the law profession’s anti-anti-homosexual culture, that it is seemingly unaware that the attitudes of that culture are not obviously “mainstream”; that in most States what the Court calls “discrimination” against those who engage in homosexual acts is perfectly legal; that proposals to ban such “discrimination” under Title VII have repeatedly been rejected by Congress, see Employment Non-Discrimination Act of 1994, S. 2238, 103d Cong., 2d Sess. (1994); Civil Rights Amendments, H. R. 5452, 94th Cong., 1st Sess. (1975); that in some cases such “discrimination” is mandated by federal statute, see 10 U.S.C. § 654(b)(1) (mandating discharge from the armed forces of any service member who engages in or intends to engage in homosexual acts); and that in some cases such “discrimination” is a constitutional right, see Boy Scouts of America v. Dale, 530 U.S. 640 (2000).

Let me be clear that I have nothing against homosexuals, promoting their agenda through normal democratic means. Social perceptions of sexual and other morality change over time, and every group has the right to persuade its fellow citizens that its view of such matters is the best. That homosexuals have achieved some success in that enterprise is attested to by the fact that Texas is one of the few remaining States that criminalize private, consensual homosexual acts. But persuading one’s fellow citizens is one thing, and imposing one’s views in absence of democratic majority will is something else.

And there is where the good little Vatican steamship Scalia runs aground. Civil Rights are not a popularity contest.

txradioguy
04-05-2012, 11:26 AM
Scalia was just whining. He knows he lost, and he knows that he'll defer to precedent when the time comes. Oh, and something I just noticed is that part of his argument has been overcome by events:

The Court views it as “discrimination” which it is the function of our judgments to deter. So imbued is the Court with the law profession’s anti-anti-homosexual culture, that it is seemingly unaware that the attitudes of that culture are not obviously “mainstream”; that in most States what the Court calls “discrimination” against those who engage in homosexual acts is perfectly legal; that proposals to ban such “discrimination” under Title VII have repeatedly been rejected by Congress, see Employment Non-Discrimination Act of 1994, S. 2238, 103d Cong., 2d Sess. (1994); Civil Rights Amendments, H. R. 5452, 94th Cong., 1st Sess. (1975); that in some cases such “discrimination” is mandated by federal statute, see 10 U.S.C. § 654(b)(1) (mandating discharge from the armed forces of any service member who engages in or intends to engage in homosexual acts); and that in some cases such “discrimination” is a constitutional right, see Boy Scouts of America v. Dale, 530 U.S. 640 (2000).

Let me be clear that I have nothing against homosexuals, promoting their agenda through normal democratic means. Social perceptions of sexual and other morality change over time, and every group has the right to persuade its fellow citizens that its view of such matters is the best. That homosexuals have achieved some success in that enterprise is attested to by the fact that Texas is one of the few remaining States that criminalize private, consensual homosexual acts. But persuading one’s fellow citizens is one thing, and imposing one’s views in absence of democratic majority will is something else.

And there is where the good little Vatican steamship Scalia runs aground. Civil Rights are not a popularity contest.

Somone needs to put their big girl panties on.