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Rockntractor
04-21-2012, 01:23 PM
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not traitor, he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared." - Cicero, 42 B.C.


http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/show/33210

Rockntractor
04-21-2012, 01:29 PM
“A paranoid is someone who knows a little of what's going on. ”
― William S. Burroughs

Rockntractor
04-21-2012, 01:31 PM
“My concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side, for God is always right.”
― Abraham Lincoln

Rockntractor
04-21-2012, 01:41 PM
“Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves.”
― Ronald Reagan

Rockntractor
04-21-2012, 01:45 PM
“The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.”
― Ayn Rand

Zeus
04-21-2012, 03:31 PM
“A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.” ~ Edward Abby~

“Not stones, nor wood, nor the art of artisans make a state; but where men are who know how to take care of themselves, these are cities and walls.” ~
John Quincy Adams ~

Rockntractor
04-21-2012, 06:41 PM
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
― C.S. Lewis

Rockntractor
04-21-2012, 06:43 PM
“The heaviest penalty for declining to rule is to be ruled by someone inferior to yourself.”
― Plato, The Republic

Rockntractor
04-21-2012, 06:46 PM
“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”
― Mark Twain

Rockntractor
04-21-2012, 08:12 PM
“We in America do not have government by the majority. We have government by the majority who participate.”
― Thomas Jefferson

Rockntractor
04-21-2012, 08:22 PM
“Every immigrant who comes here should be required within five years to learn English or leave the country.”
― Theodore Roosevelt

Rockntractor
04-21-2012, 08:24 PM
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”
― Winston S. Churchill

Rockntractor
04-21-2012, 08:25 PM
“To be ignorant of what occurred before you were born is to remain always a child. For what is the worth of human life, unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors by the records of history?”
― Marcus Tullius Cicero

Rockntractor
04-21-2012, 08:30 PM
One for the Feebmaster.


“I have never voted in my life... I have always known and understood that the idiots are in a majority so it's certain they will win.”
― Louis-Ferdinand Céline

Apache
04-21-2012, 08:35 PM
To err is human, to really F*@K things up, we have Congress.


-C.S.N.

Rockntractor
04-21-2012, 08:38 PM
“In politics we presume that everyone who knows how to get votes knows how to administer a city or a state. When we are ill... we do not ask for the handsomest physician, or the most eloquent one.”
― Plato

FeebMaster
04-22-2012, 09:21 PM
One for the Feebmaster.


“I have never voted in my life... I have always known and understood that the idiots are in a majority so it's certain they will win.”
― Louis-Ferdinand Céline


I like it.

"The kind of man who wants the government to adopt and enforce his ideas is always the kind of man whose ideas are idiotic." H.L. Mencken

Rockntractor
04-22-2012, 10:31 PM
"What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure. "- Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787

Rockntractor
04-22-2012, 10:32 PM
"Patriotism is not a short and frenzied outburst of emotion but the tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime." - Adlai E. Stevenson, Jr.

Rockntractor
04-22-2012, 10:35 PM
"When liberty is taken away by force it can be restored by force. When it is relinquished voluntarily by default, it can never be recovered. " - Dorothy Thompson

Rockntractor
04-22-2012, 10:37 PM
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." - Samuel Adams

Odysseus
04-22-2012, 10:47 PM
From Lord Acton:


“Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”
"Great men are almost always bad men."
“There is no worse heresy than that the office sanctifies the holder of it.”
“The one pervading evil of democracy is the tyranny of the majority, or rather of that party, not always the majority, that succeeds, by force or fraud, in carrying elections.”
"Every thing secret degenerates, even the administration of justice; nothing is safe that does not show how it can bear discussion and publicity."
"The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern."
"There is no error so monstrous that it fails to find defenders among the ablest men."

Rockntractor
04-22-2012, 10:55 PM
"We have reached the time when it is morally right to "shoot the bastards", but it is not yet practical to do so." - Vin Suprynowicz, cited by Claire Wolfe in a speech before the Arizona Libertarian Party Convention, April 19, 1997

Rockntractor
04-24-2012, 02:59 AM
"We learn from history that we do not learn from history." - Georg Wilhelm Hegel

Rockntractor
04-24-2012, 03:10 AM
The more you read these quotes the more you realize the fathers of this country and wise men of the past knew we are doomed by our own behaviors and desires, it seems they only hoped for a brief interlude, I hope they enjoyed it.

Molon Labe
09-28-2012, 01:34 PM
Just found this thread. Good one Rock.

I'll up your ante on C.S. Lewis quotes



Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil. C. S. Lewis

FlaGator
09-28-2012, 01:50 PM
CRANMER’S LAW: “No matter how decent, intelligent or thoughtful the reasoning of a conservative may be, as an argument with a liberal is advanced, the probability of being accused of ‘bigotry’, ‘hatred’ or ‘intolerance’ approaches 1 (100%).”

FlaGator
09-28-2012, 02:03 PM
There are only two sides to this question. Every man must be for the United States or against it. There can be no neutrals in this war; only patriots and traitors.

Stephan Douglas

FlaGator
09-28-2012, 02:14 PM
In order to clarify the above quote I present this one:

Whether they are defending the Soviet Union or bleating for Saddam Hussein, liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots, and on the matter of America's self-preservation, the difference is irrelevant.

Anne Coulter

Novaheart
09-28-2012, 05:00 PM
“In politics we presume that everyone who knows how to get votes knows how to administer a city or a state. When we are ill... we do not ask for the handsomest physician, or the most eloquent one.”
― Plato

However, those who whine about their prediction that some change in policy will prevent them from "choosing my own doctor" often have chosen their doctors for reasons no more relevant than looks or eloquence.

Years ago, Mobil did a survey and discovered that regardless of how well educated about gasoline the public is (and there are indeed sound reasons for quality differences) they still choose a station for convenience and price before considering brand.

FlaGator
09-28-2012, 05:30 PM
However, those who whine about their prediction that some change in policy will prevent them from "choosing my own doctor" often have chosen their doctors for reasons no more relevant than looks or eloquence.

Years ago, Mobil did a survey and discovered that regardless of how well educated about gasoline the public is (and there are indeed sound reasons for quality differences) they still choose a station for convenience and price before considering brand.

I may have chosen a gas station for convenience but will not sit idly by and let someone tell me I have to choose another gas station.

It doesn't matter why someone made a choice; it was his/her choice to make and I don't think that America needs the government redefining for us a new list of choices that might not include the original choice.

Zeus
09-28-2012, 11:38 PM
Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude. ~ Alexis de Tocqueville (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/alexisdeto135752.html) ~

Novaheart
09-28-2012, 11:39 PM
I may have chosen a gas station for convenience but will not sit idly by and let someone tell me I have to choose another gas station.

It doesn't matter why someone made a choice; it was his/her choice to make and I don't think that America needs the government redefining for us a new list of choices that might not include the original choice.

I always buy my gasoline from Sunoco, Shell, BP, Hess, or if I must... Exxon. IT's been a long time since I worked for Mobil, but back then MObil said that the highest quality gasoline was Amoco then Mobil, Shell and Texaco.

For health insurance I switched from my "fantastic" plan which was a POS/PPO but you could go see any doctor without a referral, to the HMO I now have which limits my choices, requires referrals but (and this was important to me) has no lifetime maximum. The other plan had a lifetime maximum of 2 million and considering I had already had a $175,000 leg (fell off the dock and got a scratch on the canal bottom and some disgusting bacteria attacked my leg), I figured it was entirely possible to hit the max. Anyway, regardless of which company I was with, my selection of doctors honestly had more to do with convenience and then referrals than any critical evaluation. Geography and luck converged for me to have two of Georgetown's finest grajiats.

Hawkgirl
09-29-2012, 12:27 AM
And now some quotes from Vladimir Lenin.



The goal of socialism is communism.

The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation. (bourgeouisie=middle class)

A lie told often enough becomes the truth.

Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.

Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.

Molon Labe
12-20-2012, 09:38 AM
Naturally the common people don't want war…but after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship…all you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country
- Herman Goering

Odysseus
12-20-2012, 12:34 PM
Naturally the common people don't want war…but after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship…all you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country
- Herman Goering

“Pacifism is objectively pro-fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side, you automatically help out that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, 'he that is not with me is against me'.”
― George Orwell

“Those who hammer their guns into plows, will plow for those who do not.”
― Thomas Jefferson

“The majority of pacifists either belong to obscure religious sects or are simply humanitarians who object to taking life and prefer not to follow their thoughts beyond that point. But there is a minority of intellectual pacifists, whose real though unacknowledged motive appears to be hatred of western democracy and admiration for totalitarianism. Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writing of the younger intellectual pacifists, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States …”
― George Orwell

“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things, the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice; a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice, — is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”
― John Stuart Mill

Rockntractor
04-15-2013, 01:52 PM
Humility is not constantly reminding others of your achievements but allowing others to notice them for themselves.

linda22003
04-15-2013, 02:02 PM
"No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up." - Lily Tomlin

“No drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power.” - P. J. O'Rourke