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SaintLouieWoman
05-05-2012, 09:01 AM
This is not the fault of any one administration but rather it shows what happens within a bureaucratic government agency, this happens to be the EPA, at work. "Common sense goes out the door."







: VW Passat 78.5 MPG in the UK

VW Passat 78.5 MPG in the Uk

THIS IS NOT ONLY WORTH WATCHING BUT SHOULD BE A MUST.









VW Passat 78.5 MPG in the Uk


This is definitely worth watching and listen to.


I wish everyone of our politicians heard it and answered WHY.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBnlXGvA1Wk&feature=youtube_gdata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBnlXGvA1Wk&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

Novaheart
05-05-2012, 10:57 AM
bump for legitimate outrage

Novaheart
05-05-2012, 11:03 AM
However, we should also note that the people of the UK aren't being allowed to enjoy their fuel efficient vehicles either.

My optometrist and I were talking about the price of gasoline and I was complaining that the US military expenditure for commerce protection (oil and shipping) is recouped by European countries in the form of a huge gas tax. So the largest "transfer of wealth" is that the US is subsidizing European fuel, while European governments charge that subsidy to their citizens. My optometrist said that when he was in Scotland recently, gasoline was $6 per LITRE.

That seems a bit high. But even using the $8/gallon figure we generally associate with European countries, that means that a car getting 50MPG is paying the same for fuel as an American getting 25.

They are going to fuck us over as long as we permit it. Exxon will gladly charge us $15 if we get cars that get 75mpg.

Rockntractor
05-05-2012, 11:10 AM
However, we should also note that the people of the UK aren't being allowed to enjoy their fuel efficient vehicles either.

My optometrist and I were talking about the price of gasoline and I was complaining that the US military expenditure for commerce protection (oil and shipping) is recouped by European countries in the form of a huge gas tax. So the largest "transfer of wealth" is that the US is subsidizing European fuel, while European governments charge that subsidy to their citizens. My optometrist said that when he was in Scotland recently, gasoline was $6 per LITRE.

That seems a bit high. But even using the $8/gallon figure we generally associate with European countries, that means that a car getting 50MPG is paying the same for fuel as an American getting 25.

They are going to fuck us over as long as we permit it. Exxon will gladly charge us $15 if we get cars that get 75mpg.

All Exxon's fault, you really are an expert, what in remains to be seen.

Adam Wood
05-05-2012, 11:34 AM
I am highly dubious of this claim. I can't do audio at the moment, but I can find the Volkswagon UK site (http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/?ccd_customer=false). One handy tool that they have on the site is the ability to sort cars by MPG. And look what you get:

http://i50.tinypic.com/r6w80h.png


One model with 78 MPG, and that's not a Passat. It's a Polo. If you've ever been in a Polo, you know that it's roughly the same size as a Smart. IOW, absolutely freaking tiny. And to achieve that 78MPG figure, you have to get VW's "Blue Motion" 1.2L diesel engine with a manual transmission. "Blue Motion" cars have been "designed to have a smaller impact on the environment," and presumably there is some sort of computer gadgetry that will cause this to happen, but it ads an additional 4500 to the pricetag, bringing the cost for the basic model that will get you the magical 78MPG figure 15,265, or $24,780. That's a lot, IMO, for a ludicrously anemic rattletrap that takes fourteen seconds to get to 60 MPH.


My guess is that the reason this car isn't sold here is because Volkswagon knows that no American would buy this car.

Starbuck
05-05-2012, 11:35 AM
I have been complaining for years that America does more than it's fair share of pollution control, but we don't get credit for it. The hysterical left, the party who is always complaining that "we have only 2% of the oil and use 20%" insists on the policy of self flagellation and punishment for our "sins".

"Addicted to oil!" they scream. Then they give Al Gore a 10 car police escort to the airport so that he can go to his next appointment in a private jet.

Gina
05-05-2012, 11:48 AM
I have been complaining for years that America does more than it's fair share of pollution control, but we don't get credit for it. The hysterical left, the party who is always complaining that "we have only 2% of the oil and use 20%" insists on the policy of self flagellation and punishment for our "sins".

"Addicted to oil!" they scream. Then they give Al Gore a 10 car police escort to the airport so that he can go to his next appointment in a private jet.


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Zeus
05-05-2012, 12:06 PM
I have been complaining for years that America does more than it's fair share of pollution control, but we don't get credit for it. The hysterical left, the party who is always complaining that "we have only 2% of the oil and use 20%" insists on the policy of self flagellation and punishment for our "sins".

"Addicted to oil!" they scream. Then they give Al Gore a 10 car police escort to the airport so that he can go to his next appointment in a private jet.

The environmental policies, regulations ,restrictions ,practices etc in the USA would utterly collapse the economies of most other countries.

Starbuck
05-05-2012, 05:22 PM
The environmental policies, regulations ,restrictions ,practices etc in the USA would utterly collapse the economies of most other countries.
You are absolutely right. Every time the gov't tries to throttle the economy, American businessmen find a way to become more efficient.
It make me crazy, Z., absolutely crazy the way people connect two dots that are on different pages and get passed off as intelligent. The U.S. uses 20% of the world's annual oil production, and in so doing produces 25% of the world's GDP.
There!
Those two figures are related.

The relationship between oil usage and oil possession are not relevant. If they were, Japan would be assigned zero usage, Saudia Arabia...lots.

Novaheart
05-06-2012, 12:02 AM
All Exxon's fault, you really are an expert, what in remains to be seen.

How much do you pay for electricity?

Rockntractor
05-06-2012, 12:08 AM
How much do you pay for electricity?

150.00 per month

Starbuck
05-06-2012, 12:11 AM
150.00 per month

If your electric car runs out of battery and needs to be towed, maybe you should add the fee to your electric bill.
Guess it wouldn't matter where you put it; it's going to be a hole in your budget one way or the other.

Rockntractor
05-06-2012, 12:16 AM
If your electric car runs out of battery and needs to be towed, maybe you should add the fee to your electric bill.
Guess it wouldn't matter where you put it; it's going to be a hole in your budget one way or the other.

When they make an electric car that will pull a 24000 pound trailer I'll consider one.

Constitutionally Speaking
05-06-2012, 07:11 AM
However, we should also note that the people of the UK aren't being allowed to enjoy their fuel efficient vehicles either.

My optometrist and I were talking about the price of gasoline and I was complaining that the US military expenditure for commerce protection (oil and shipping) is recouped by European countries in the form of a huge gas tax. So the largest "transfer of wealth" is that the US is subsidizing European fuel, while European governments charge that subsidy to their citizens. My optometrist said that when he was in Scotland recently, gasoline was $6 per LITRE.

That seems a bit high. But even using the $8/gallon figure we generally associate with European countries, that means that a car getting 50MPG is paying the same for fuel as an American getting 25.

They are going to fuck us over as long as we permit it. Exxon will gladly charge us $15 if we get cars that get 75mpg.

Nova, I have news for you. The oil companies DO NOT SET the price of gasoline - or even the oil they produce. They simply DO NOT.

Novaheart
05-06-2012, 11:13 AM
150.00 per month

How about in August or whatever your warmest month is?

Rockntractor
05-06-2012, 11:20 AM
How about in August or whatever your warmest month is?

I am billed on yearly average which at the current time is 150.00, in many ways I am very frugal.

txradioguy
05-06-2012, 11:24 AM
That seems a bit high. But even using the $8/gallon figure we generally associate with European countries, that means that a car getting 50MPG is paying the same for fuel as an American getting 25.

No not really. But then you'd know that if you were here in Europe.

Your hero Obama wants us to pay as much as Europe.


They are going to fuck us over as long as we permit it. Exxon will gladly charge us $15 if we get cars that get 75mpg.

The depth of your knowledge of the oil and gas business is only surpassed by your knowledge of religion.

Novaheart
05-06-2012, 11:52 AM
The depth of your knowledge of the oil and gas business is only surpassed by your knowledge of religion.

I'd say that your belief systems are consistent.

SaintLouieWoman
05-06-2012, 01:57 PM
I am billed on yearly average which at the current time is 150.00, in many ways I am very frugal.

Do you have a gas bill also? In St Louis we had gas heat and a gas hot water heater. Here we're in an all electric house, due to the developer of this area not bringing in the gas lines. We've had bills of $150 a month, maybe going up to $180 during the summer. The only thing that holds down our costs is the double pane, impact resistant glass windows put in by the previous owner for hurricane protection. There's also quite a bit of insulation in the attic.

Our homage to the oil companies remains low. We currently have only one car and don't tend to drive as much. I used to drive about 17 miles each way to work and SR perhaps drove 12 miles each way. We use perhaps a half tank of gas each week.

Rockntractor
05-06-2012, 02:11 PM
Do you have a gas bill also? In St Louis we had gas heat and a gas hot water heater. Here we're in an all electric house, due to the developer of this area not bringing in the gas lines. We've had bills of $150 a month, maybe going up to $180 during the summer. The only thing that holds down our costs is the double pane, impact resistant glass windows put in by the previous owner for hurricane protection. There's also quite a bit of insulation in the attic.

Our homage to the oil companies remains low. We currently have only one car and don't tend to drive as much. I used to drive about 17 miles each way to work and SR perhaps drove 12 miles each way. We use perhaps a half tank of gas each week.

No we are all electric, last winter I only burned wood for two of the coldest days, some winters we burn more but rely on the heat pump for most of the winter.

Wibbins
05-06-2012, 02:26 PM
No we are all electric, last winter I only burned wood for two of the coldest days, some winters we burn more but rely on the heat pump for most of the winter.

oh no! Don't do that! Don't you know that burning wood creates pollution?!?!

And electricity is created by magic pixy dust and is not created by a majority of coal fired power plants in the uSA at all, nope we harness the power of lightning! /s

Rockntractor
05-06-2012, 03:06 PM
oh no! Don't do that! Don't you know that burning wood creates pollution?!?!

And electricity is created by magic pixy dust and is not created by a majority of coal fired power plants in the uSA at all, nope we harness the power of lightning! /s

Oh no it is generated by the energy given off from liberal think tanks, by good intentions, by algae, solar power and tofu farts!

Novaheart
05-06-2012, 03:54 PM
No we are all electric, last winter I only burned wood for two of the coldest days, some winters we burn more but rely on the heat pump for most of the winter.

I asked you about your electric bill because you purchase from an electric co-op, whereas Floridians are under the thumb of evil energy companies.

Retread
05-06-2012, 05:51 PM
The novatwit's knowledge of energy and the companies that deliver it is slightly less than her knowledge of the geography of Proxima's third planet. 'nuff said.

Rockntractor
05-06-2012, 06:01 PM
I asked you about your electric bill because you purchase from an electric co-op, whereas Floridians are under the thumb of evil energy companies.

Yes, I'm in a coop our cost per kilowatt hr is about 25% higher than PSO the publicly traded company that is next to us.