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bijou
05-22-2012, 03:22 PM
Elizabeth Warren might be excused for wanting to be Native American. She can claim an old American soul, going back generations in Oklahoma. In the heartland it is almost universal for those who have been there for a few generations to claim Indian blood; that is, to wish it were there even if it isn't. It is not so much a lie as it is the acculturation of personal and regional American myth; the fabric of old-soul American consciousness. "Our spirit will walk among you," said Chief Joseph. Indeed it does.

Indians come to us as dream guides, spirit guides and, like Sacagawea, actual guides to our most important journeys at once physical and metaphysical. Those who have made these journeys tend to honor them. C.G. Jung, when watching Americans leave their factories, said we the paleface had come to walk "like Indians." One early commentator said we, like the Indians and unlike the Europeans, live without fences. We play Indian as children to call up the intuitive feminine. We name our cars after the noble and brave “Grand Cherokee.” We call to the spirit of Geronimo going into battle. When we want our heroine true, like Katniss, we put a bow and arrow in her hand. "We are all Americans here," said Ely Samuel Parker, the Seneca Indian, aide to Grant at Appomattox, suggesting that with the bloodshed at Bull Run, Chickamauga, Chancellorsville and Cemetery Ridge, we sanctioned our place and belonged here with the Indians.

The first poetic vision of Europeans in the new world was that of James Fenimore Cooper, who conjured Natty Bumpo. He had an "Indian name" — he had several: Hawkeye, Deerslayer, Pathfinder — indicating that he had been "reborn" in the new world in the Indian spirit. It is the oldest and most important myth in the American canon of our folklore, from Lone Ranger, who died and became "born again" via agency of an Indian shaman, and Fox Mulder, who returned from the dead via Indian intercession in “The X Files,” born anew with the past burned away in death, to enter a new age under the flag of the White Buffalo.


So Warren's claim to be "part Indian" is correct in mythical terms. Every old-school white Oklahoman is in this regard even if this in nominally not true. But it is not a lie to want to be Indian and to imagine your ancestors were. It is to be free of Europeanism. Emerson saw the laggard Europeanism within the Yankee mind as a curse of the unformed American, living half in shadow. It would bring temptation unnatural to us raised free in the forest; fascism, as in Italy, Spain and German, and the perennial virus of French nihilism. More (http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/campaign/228541-elizabeth-warrens-true-american-lineage)

JB
05-22-2012, 07:36 PM
Man, they will do anything to spin a lie.


and Fox Mulder, who returned from the dead via Indian intercession in “The X Files,” born anew with the past burned away in death, Wasn't the ground in Pet Sematary an ancient Indian burial ground? No thanks.

Rockntractor
05-22-2012, 07:42 PM
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NJCardFan
05-22-2012, 10:23 PM
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This guy was Italian. Had zero Indian blood in him.

Rockntractor
05-22-2012, 10:40 PM
Had zero Indian blood in him.

Same amount as Lizzie.

Gina
05-26-2012, 12:59 AM
Another spin is we're all Native Americans, we were born here! :smile-new:

Starbuck
05-26-2012, 01:05 AM
http://peacemoonbeam.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451af9f69e20163051fe03a970d-pi
Elizabeth "Littlebrain" Warren.
Note high cheekbones.:adoration:

Retread
05-26-2012, 01:30 PM
Another spin is we're all Native Americans, we were born here! :smile-new:

That's the way I see it. The "Indians" just got here first. And the folks in my home state of Okla have heard plenty from me about it.

Rockntractor
05-26-2012, 04:32 PM
http://peacemoonbeam.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451af9f69e20163051fe03a970d-pi
Elizabeth "Littlebrain" Warren.
Note high cheekbones.:adoration:

Bucketface speak with forked tongue!http://www.smiley-lol.com/smiley/celebre/aventure/hugh.gif

Articulate_Ape
05-26-2012, 06:05 PM
Wasn't the ground in Pet Sematary an ancient Indian burial ground? No thanks.

Isn't this entire country an ancient Indian burial ground?

Chuck58
05-26-2012, 10:00 PM
Warren is claiming Cherokee blood. Why Cherokee? Why is it that everybody who wants to be an Indian wants to be Cherokee?

This is the thing that gets me. I live in NM with Indian Pueblos and reservations in every direction. When I'm unfortunate enough to run into tourists and they start talking about the various tribes here, at least 1 in 4 says they have Cherokee blood. I've yet to have anyone claim Apache or Comanche, Ute or Cheyenne blood.

Had she said she was part Kiowa or Shoshone, maybe she'd have got away with it.

NJCardFan
05-26-2012, 10:31 PM
Warren is claiming Cherokee blood. Why Cherokee? Why is it that everybody who wants to be an Indian wants to be Cherokee?

This is the thing that gets me. I live in NM with Indian Pueblos and reservations in every direction. When I'm unfortunate enough to run into tourists and they start talking about the various tribes here, at least 1 in 4 says they have Cherokee blood. I've yet to have anyone claim Apache or Comanche, Ute or Cheyenne blood.

Had she said she was part Kiowa or Shoshone, maybe she'd have got away with it.

Uh, what's a Ute?

ThinkingBig
05-26-2012, 10:43 PM
Another spin is we're all Native Americans, we were born here! :smile-new:

Some more than others.

Chuck58
05-26-2012, 10:46 PM
Uh, what's a Ute?

LOL

They're the guys that killed old Bill Williams in I think 1849.

Retread
05-26-2012, 11:51 PM
Uh, what's a Ute?

Try this (http://www.utetribe.com/)

Chuck58
05-27-2012, 12:04 AM
Try this (http://www.utetribe.com/)

Yep, or this

http://www.southern-ute.nsn.us/

for the Southern Utes. And for any PC types who see either link (there are some here), note that they call themselves Indians, not Native Americans.

SaintLouieWoman
05-27-2012, 10:03 AM
Warren is claiming Cherokee blood. Why Cherokee? Why is it that everybody who wants to be an Indian wants to be Cherokee?

This is the thing that gets me. I live in NM with Indian Pueblos and reservations in every direction. When I'm unfortunate enough to run into tourists and they start talking about the various tribes here, at least 1 in 4 says they have Cherokee blood. I've yet to have anyone claim Apache or Comanche, Ute or Cheyenne blood.

Had she said she was part Kiowa or Shoshone, maybe she'd have got away with it.
Could be because the Cherokees were a tad more peaceful, the PC of the tribes. I guess not a bunch want to say they're Apaches or Comanches, who had a reputation for fierceness.

NJCardFan
05-27-2012, 12:44 PM
Try this (http://www.utetribe.com/)

You missed the joke:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLValMc9XjU

Gina
05-27-2012, 12:48 PM
I thought about that too NJ! :smile-new:

Chuck58
05-27-2012, 05:40 PM
You missed the joke:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLValMc9XjU

One of the funniest movies ever made. I never thought anybody could steal a scene from Joe Pesci, but Marisa Tomei did it every single time.

And, I missed the joke too, and we've got the movie and watch it at least once a month. It's as funny now as the first time.

Retread
05-27-2012, 10:38 PM
Joke? Didn't see one..... and still don't......

the question had to do with Indians and they don't laugh a lot, especially those of the SW.

NJCardFan
05-28-2012, 01:03 AM
Joke? Didn't see one..... and still don't......

the question had to do with Indians and they don't laugh a lot, especially those of the SW.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6cxNR9ML8k

Retread
05-28-2012, 04:47 PM
Whatever you say Jane

AmPat
05-29-2012, 12:19 PM
http://peacemoonbeam.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451af9f69e20163051fe03a970d-pi
Elizabeth "Littlebrain" Warren.
Note high cheekbones.:adoration:
OK, I see it now; her cheekbones are obviously higher than her mouth. Proof enough. Her and Wart Churchill should get together.

Starbuck
05-29-2012, 01:00 PM
Here's a famous Indian. See any 'high cheekbones' on this Oneida, who was born on a reservation?
http://www.moviespad.com/photos/graham-greene-author-277b7.jpg
Graham Greene