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Hubie
05-29-2012, 10:49 PM
You ever get that feeling? You know what I'm talking about even though it's hard to describe. It's that feeling when you try to figure out a blatant contradiction in terms where two things that don't go together are forced together. Your brain goes all wonky and it feels like something is physically clouding your thoughts even though that's impossible. Kind of like pushing two magnets together when the same poles are facing each other and it feels like something exists in the space between them but nothing does. Well, this might cause that to happen to you like it did to me:

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/05/29/obama-awards-medal-of-freedom-to-democratic-socialists-of-america-chair/


President Obama awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom on Tuesday to Dolores Huerta, an 82-year-old labor activist and co-founder of the United Farm Workers union.

Huerta is also an honorary chair of the Democratic Socialists of America.

AmPat
05-29-2012, 11:00 PM
You ever get that feeling? You know what I'm talking about even though it's hard to describe. It's that feeling when you try to figure out a blatant contradiction in terms where two things that don't go together are forced together. Your brain goes all wonky and it feels like something is physically clouding your thoughts even though that's impossible. Kind of like pushing two magnets together when the same poles are facing each other and it feels like something exists in the space between them but nothing does. Well, this might cause that to happen to you like it did to me:

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/05/29/obama-awards-medal-of-freedom-to-democratic-socialists-of-america-chair/
Well, I can cross that award off of my list of desired honors along with the Nobel Peace Prize. Giving awards to scum just pollutes the award forever.

Novaheart
05-29-2012, 11:42 PM
I got my panties in a knot about the award, but then I read the criteria and the list of those who have received it in the past. It's the moral equivalent of something the Queen tosses out annually to actors and fundraisers and the like.

Don't get too upset about it. It's not really all that important of a ribbon.

NJCardFan
05-30-2012, 01:49 AM
Funny how he gave one to a man who refused to go to internment camps during WWII. While I applaud the guy and support him but can someone please remind me who interred these people? I'm having trouble remembering who was president at the time. Oh, that's right, the left wing liberal god figure FDR. Another joke was Bob Dylan. Really? Toni Morrison, the person who said that Clinton was impeached because he was black? The list of idiots being given this award ranged from the ridiculous to the sublime. All, of course, are liberals. Aside from the guy who refused to be bullied by Roosevelt, the only ones I have respect for is Pat Summitt and John Glenn. The others were nothing less than Obama cronies. I can't wait to see who gets pardoned.

Odysseus
05-30-2012, 09:50 AM
I got my panties in a knot about the award, but then I read the criteria and the list of those who have received it in the past. It's the moral equivalent of something the Queen tosses out annually to actors and fundraisers and the like.

Don't get too upset about it. It's not really all that important of a ribbon.

It may not be important to you, but it ought to be. We use awards to recognize achievements, not simply to reward the person being honored, but to demonstrate to others that their example is worthy of being repeated. We also award prizes to highlight accomplishments that serve us as a nation or a people and, sometimes, to protect heroic figures who might otherwise disappear into the totalitarian maw of the nations that they seek to reform (think Lech Walesa, Andrei Sakharov and the rest of the dissident Nobel Laureates who were too publicly known after their awards to be simply dispatched). These awards mean something, and when our politicians give them out like candy, it diminishes their value, and the values that the award should represent.

Giving awards like this to people whose service to the United States is, at best, questionable, denigrates the award and insults those whose service genuinely warrants recognition.

noonwitch
05-30-2012, 01:18 PM
Dylan's an American icon. He deserves recognition for his work. He might be a liberal, but I would hardly call him an Obama crony. Did you really think Obama was going to honor the Nuge? Just wait, if he gets to do this next year, it'll probably be Springsteen and Jay-Z.

I've read a couple of Toni Morrison's books: Tar Baby, which I read in college and is an interesting book in many ways. That was before she wrote Beloved, which I read also. I didn't watch the movie because I didn't like the book. Morrison later wrote an opera called Margaret Garner or something, and it was basically the same story as Beloved. She received a Nobel Prize for Literature. But Morrison and Alice Walker kind of created a genre of serious black female lit, although I prefer Alice Walker's books because they have happier endings.

I know she's somewhat controversial for her political remarks, but Morrision's books are taught in college lit classes to this day. I don't have a problem with awarding her honors. She's more of an Oprah crony than an Obama crony, but she was an established American literary figure in the 80s, before she ever met Oprah, Bill Clinton or Barak Obama.

Of course John Glenn deserves honors, even if he was one of the Keating 5.

Janice
05-30-2012, 02:03 PM
So 0bama gives the Medal of Freedom award to the head of the defacto American communist party.

Big surprise there eh?

Odysseus
05-30-2012, 02:36 PM
Dylan's an American icon. He deserves recognition for his work. He might be a liberal, but I would hardly call him an Obama crony. Did you really think Obama was going to honor the Nuge? Just wait, if he gets to do this next year, it'll probably be Springsteen and Jay-Z.

I've read a couple of Toni Morrison's books: Tar Baby, which I read in college and is an interesting book in many ways. That was before she wrote Beloved, which I read also. I didn't watch the movie because I didn't like the book. Morrison later wrote an opera called Margaret Garner or something, and it was basically the same story as Beloved. She received a Nobel Prize for Literature. But Morrison and Alice Walker kind of created a genre of serious black female lit, although I prefer Alice Walker's books because they have happier endings.

I know she's somewhat controversial for her political remarks, but Morrision's books are taught in college lit classes to this day. I don't have a problem with awarding her honors. She's more of an Oprah crony than an Obama crony, but she was an established American literary figure in the 80s, before she ever met Oprah, Bill Clinton or Barak Obama.

Of course John Glenn deserves honors, even if he was one of the Keating 5.

The Presidential Medal of Freedom is the highest civilian award bestowed by our nation. Here are the criteria:

``Sec. 2. Award of the Medal.
``(a) The Medal may be awarded by the President as provided in this order to any person who has made an especially meritorious contribution to (1), the security or national interests of the United States, or (2) world peace, or (3) cultural or other significant public or private endeavors.
``(b) The President may select for award of the Medal any person nominated by the Board referred to in Section 3(a) of this Order, any person otherwise recommended to the President for award of the Medal, or any person selected by the President upon his own initiative.
``(c) The principal announcement of awards of the Medal shall normally be made annually, on or about July 4 of each year; but such awards may be made at other times, as the President may deem appropriate.
``(d) Subject to the provisions of this Order, the Medal may be awarded posthumously.


One can argue the Bob Dylan, Toni Morrison and Alice Walker contributed to our culture, although the extent a value of those contributions is a highly subjective matter, but Dolores Huerta has done nothing for America except to undermine our laws and system of government. Her bio from discoverthenetworks.org:




Co-founder and First Vice President Emeritus of the United Farm Workers of America, AFL-CIO ("UFW")


Board member of the Democratic Socialists of America


Founding board member of the Feminist Majority


Board member of Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting


Opposes War on Terror


“It’s always been a part of U.S. foreign policy to first put a dictator in power and than to get rid of him.”


The co-founder and first Vice President Emeritus of the United Farm Workers of America (UFW), Dolores C. Huerta has long worked to radicalize migrant farmworkers. She is a Board member of the Democratic Socialists of America (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6428) (DSA), Feminist Majority (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6971), Latinas for Choice, the Center for Voting and Democracy, and Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7092).

Huerta was born April 10, 1930 in Dawson, New Mexico, where her father worked as a miner, field worker, union activist, and State Assemblyman. Her parents divorced when she was three years old, and she was raised thereafter by her mother, Alicia Chavez, along with her two brothers and two sisters, in Stockton, California. Huerta’s mother was a successful businesswoman who owned a restaurant and a large hotel (http://www.ufw.org/dh.htm).

As a young adult, Huerta taught school (though she had never earned an education degree) until 1955, when, as a single mother of seven children (she now has eleven), she launched her career as a political activist. She co-founded the Stockton, California chapter of the Community Service Organization (CSO), a “voters’ rights” organization. While there, she met labor radical Cesar Chavez and founded the Agricultural Workers Association. In 1962 Chavez and Huerta split from CSO when it would not make the unionization of farmworkers a high priority, and they created the National Farm Workers Association, predecessor to UFW.

While the fledging CSO was working to organize laborers and lobby for welfare payments to migrants, the Filipino grape-pickers of the San Joaquin Valley went on strike. Huerta and Chavez joined with what eventually became known as the five-year Delano Grape Strike. As Huerta negotiated with the wine-growers, she picked up the nickname “Dragon Lady."

Huerta has acknowledged that when she was a young woman, her busy activist career caused her to be an absentee mother who ignored her parental responsibilities while she pursued Marxist causes.

Driven by a belief that true democracy can only be achieved through a redistribution of wealth, Huerta has been imprisoned more than twenty times as a result of her participation in various protests. In a 2002 interview, she stated, “I think organized labor is a necessary part of democracy. Organized labor is the only way to have fair distribution of wealth; it helps create a middle class. Without a middle class, there would be no democracy.”

Huerta enjoined her labor organizing to gender equity after meeting Gloria Steinem (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/individualProfile.asp?indid=1813) in the 1970s. In a 1973 interview with The Nation (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6779) on sexism in the labor movement, Huerta stated: “I really believe what the feminists stand for. . . . Excluding women, protecting them, keeping women at home, that’s the middle class way.”

Huerta has actively opposed America's post-9/11 War on Terrorism (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/guideDesc.asp?catid=91&type=issue), which she believes is really a war on immigrants. Accusing President Bush of possessing a “cowboy mentality,” she told (http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:Wxs4QzAwz60J:www.war-times.org/issues/3art2.html+%22foreign+policy+to+first+put+a+dictat or+in+power+and+then+to+get+rid+of+him%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us) WarTimes.org in 2003 that the U.S. had trained both the Taliban and Saddam Hussein (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/individualProfile.asp?indid=1344), whom it was now fighting to depose. “It’s always been a part of U.S. foreign policy to first put a dictator in power and then to get rid of him,” said Huerta.

In September 2003, less than a month before losing his job as California Governor in a recall election, Gray Davis appointed Huerta to fill the remainder of a term on the University of California Board of Regents, the governing body for the UC system. The appointment came just days after Davis had signed legislation to give drivers’ licenses to illegal aliens. Earlier in the year, he had also signed an extensive farmworkers’ bill for which Huerta had agitated.

When fellow UC Regent Ward Connerly proposed that the University of California should end its practice of offering preferential admission to minority students, Huerta -- joined by Jesse Jackson (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/individualProfile.asp?indid=687) -- led a raucous protest in opposition to Connerly.

Although most of Huerta's biographies indicate that she received a college degree from Delta Community College, the San Francisco Chronicle has revealed that she actually “fell a few units short of her degree.” She never returned to campus except to collect honorary degrees, conduct radical activism workshops, and give commencement speeches.

In April 2006, Huerta was invited to speak at Tucson High Magnet School in Arizona, ostensibly "to inspire students" who were preparing for crucial examinations. During her speech, she exhorted the youngsters to march in protest of federal lawmakers' efforts to put an end to illegal immigration, and twice stated (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-adm-uses-child-indoctrinating-socialist-to-promote-illegals-pay-program/) that "Republicans hate Latinos." At the same event, Huerta said (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-adm-uses-child-indoctrinating-socialist-to-promote-illegals-pay-program/):

"The average pay of a CEO of a Fortune 500 company is three million to nine million dollars a year. What are you going to do with all that money, right? I don't care how much money you make. You can only eat three meals a day, you know. You can only wear one suit of clothes a day, you know. So the idea, a lot isn't wrong so long as you use it for the people like what Hugo Chavez (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/individualProfile.asp?indid=2144) is doing in Venezuela."


Responding to critics of illegal immigration, Huerta says (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-adm-uses-child-indoctrinating-socialist-to-promote-illegals-pay-program/): "We didn't cross the [U.S.-Mexico] border; the border crossed us." Huerta has told (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-adm-uses-child-indoctrinating-socialist-to-promote-illegals-pay-program/) illegal-alien farmoworkers, "You deserve to get paid every dollar you earn and have safe housing and transportation." Moreover, she has advised (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-adm-uses-child-indoctrinating-socialist-to-promote-illegals-pay-program/) illegals who feel they have been underpaid, to call the U.S. Department of Labor. "The call is free and confidential," she assured (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-adm-uses-child-indoctrinating-socialist-to-promote-illegals-pay-program/).

On May 18, 2007, Huerta announced her endorsment of Hillary Clinton (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/individualProfile.asp?indid=18) for U.S. President.

Huerta is an honorary chair of the Democratic Socialists of America. In 2006 she praised (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/presidential-medal-of-freedom-awarded-to-republican-bashing-chavez-admirer-dolores-huerta/) the socialist dictator Hugo Chavez for his policies in Venezuela and then asked, “Why can’t we do that here in the United States?”

Also in 2006, Huerta said (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/presidential-medal-of-freedom-awarded-to-republican-bashing-chavez-admirer-dolores-huerta/): "Our tema, our theme will be: Republicans hate Latinos, OK? Republicans hate Latinos."

In March 2012, Huerta was publicly lauded (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/presidential-medal-of-freedom-awarded-to-republican-bashing-chavez-admirer-dolores-huerta/) by Labor Secretary Hilda Solis for her actions alongside the late communist activist Cesar Chavez. Solis called Huerta "one of the living legends of the farm worker movement."

In May 2012, Huerta was awarded (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/presidential-medal-of-freedom-awarded-to-republican-bashing-chavez-admirer-dolores-huerta/) the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest honor a civilian can receive, by President Barack Obama.





Does that sound like the bio of somebody who warrants the highest US civilian award? At least they didn't name a ship after her...

noonwitch
05-30-2012, 03:34 PM
The Presidential Medal of Freedom is the highest civilian award bestowed by our nation. Here are the criteria:

``Sec. 2. Award of the Medal.
``(a) The Medal may be awarded by the President as provided in this order to any person who has made an especially meritorious contribution to (1), the security or national interests of the United States, or (2) world peace, or (3) cultural or other significant public or private endeavors.
``(b) The President may select for award of the Medal any person nominated by the Board referred to in Section 3(a) of this Order, any person otherwise recommended to the President for award of the Medal, or any person selected by the President upon his own initiative.
``(c) The principal announcement of awards of the Medal shall normally be made annually, on or about July 4 of each year; but such awards may be made at other times, as the President may deem appropriate.
``(d) Subject to the provisions of this Order, the Medal may be awarded posthumously.


One can argue the Bob Dylan, Toni Morrison and Alice Walker contributed to our culture, although the extent a value of those contributions is a highly subjective matter, but Dolores Huerta has done nothing for America except to undermine our laws and system of government. Her bio from discoverthenetworks.org:




Co-founder and First Vice President Emeritus of the United Farm Workers of America, AFL-CIO ("UFW")


Board member of the Democratic Socialists of America


Founding board member of the Feminist Majority


Board member of Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting


Opposes War on Terror


“It’s always been a part of U.S. foreign policy to first put a dictator in power and than to get rid of him.”


The co-founder and first Vice President Emeritus of the United Farm Workers of America (UFW), Dolores C. Huerta has long worked to radicalize migrant farmworkers. She is a Board member of the Democratic Socialists of America (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6428) (DSA), Feminist Majority (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6971), Latinas for Choice, the Center for Voting and Democracy, and Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7092).

Huerta was born April 10, 1930 in Dawson, New Mexico, where her father worked as a miner, field worker, union activist, and State Assemblyman. Her parents divorced when she was three years old, and she was raised thereafter by her mother, Alicia Chavez, along with her two brothers and two sisters, in Stockton, California. Huerta’s mother was a successful businesswoman who owned a restaurant and a large hotel (http://www.ufw.org/dh.htm).

As a young adult, Huerta taught school (though she had never earned an education degree) until 1955, when, as a single mother of seven children (she now has eleven), she launched her career as a political activist. She co-founded the Stockton, California chapter of the Community Service Organization (CSO), a “voters’ rights” organization. While there, she met labor radical Cesar Chavez and founded the Agricultural Workers Association. In 1962 Chavez and Huerta split from CSO when it would not make the unionization of farmworkers a high priority, and they created the National Farm Workers Association, predecessor to UFW.

While the fledging CSO was working to organize laborers and lobby for welfare payments to migrants, the Filipino grape-pickers of the San Joaquin Valley went on strike. Huerta and Chavez joined with what eventually became known as the five-year Delano Grape Strike. As Huerta negotiated with the wine-growers, she picked up the nickname “Dragon Lady."

Huerta has acknowledged that when she was a young woman, her busy activist career caused her to be an absentee mother who ignored her parental responsibilities while she pursued Marxist causes.

Driven by a belief that true democracy can only be achieved through a redistribution of wealth, Huerta has been imprisoned more than twenty times as a result of her participation in various protests. In a 2002 interview, she stated, “I think organized labor is a necessary part of democracy. Organized labor is the only way to have fair distribution of wealth; it helps create a middle class. Without a middle class, there would be no democracy.”

Huerta enjoined her labor organizing to gender equity after meeting Gloria Steinem (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/individualProfile.asp?indid=1813) in the 1970s. In a 1973 interview with The Nation (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6779) on sexism in the labor movement, Huerta stated: “I really believe what the feminists stand for. . . . Excluding women, protecting them, keeping women at home, that’s the middle class way.”

Huerta has actively opposed America's post-9/11 War on Terrorism (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/guideDesc.asp?catid=91&type=issue), which she believes is really a war on immigrants. Accusing President Bush of possessing a “cowboy mentality,” she told (http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:Wxs4QzAwz60J:www.war-times.org/issues/3art2.html+%22foreign+policy+to+first+put+a+dictat or+in+power+and+then+to+get+rid+of+him%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us) WarTimes.org in 2003 that the U.S. had trained both the Taliban and Saddam Hussein (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/individualProfile.asp?indid=1344), whom it was now fighting to depose. “It’s always been a part of U.S. foreign policy to first put a dictator in power and then to get rid of him,” said Huerta.

In September 2003, less than a month before losing his job as California Governor in a recall election, Gray Davis appointed Huerta to fill the remainder of a term on the University of California Board of Regents, the governing body for the UC system. The appointment came just days after Davis had signed legislation to give drivers’ licenses to illegal aliens. Earlier in the year, he had also signed an extensive farmworkers’ bill for which Huerta had agitated.

When fellow UC Regent Ward Connerly proposed that the University of California should end its practice of offering preferential admission to minority students, Huerta -- joined by Jesse Jackson (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/individualProfile.asp?indid=687) -- led a raucous protest in opposition to Connerly.

Although most of Huerta's biographies indicate that she received a college degree from Delta Community College, the San Francisco Chronicle has revealed that she actually “fell a few units short of her degree.” She never returned to campus except to collect honorary degrees, conduct radical activism workshops, and give commencement speeches.

In April 2006, Huerta was invited to speak at Tucson High Magnet School in Arizona, ostensibly "to inspire students" who were preparing for crucial examinations. During her speech, she exhorted the youngsters to march in protest of federal lawmakers' efforts to put an end to illegal immigration, and twice stated (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-adm-uses-child-indoctrinating-socialist-to-promote-illegals-pay-program/) that "Republicans hate Latinos." At the same event, Huerta said (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-adm-uses-child-indoctrinating-socialist-to-promote-illegals-pay-program/):

"The average pay of a CEO of a Fortune 500 company is three million to nine million dollars a year. What are you going to do with all that money, right? I don't care how much money you make. You can only eat three meals a day, you know. You can only wear one suit of clothes a day, you know. So the idea, a lot isn't wrong so long as you use it for the people like what Hugo Chavez (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/individualProfile.asp?indid=2144) is doing in Venezuela."


Responding to critics of illegal immigration, Huerta says (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-adm-uses-child-indoctrinating-socialist-to-promote-illegals-pay-program/): "We didn't cross the [U.S.-Mexico] border; the border crossed us." Huerta has told (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-adm-uses-child-indoctrinating-socialist-to-promote-illegals-pay-program/) illegal-alien farmoworkers, "You deserve to get paid every dollar you earn and have safe housing and transportation." Moreover, she has advised (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-adm-uses-child-indoctrinating-socialist-to-promote-illegals-pay-program/) illegals who feel they have been underpaid, to call the U.S. Department of Labor. "The call is free and confidential," she assured (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-adm-uses-child-indoctrinating-socialist-to-promote-illegals-pay-program/).

On May 18, 2007, Huerta announced her endorsment of Hillary Clinton (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/individualProfile.asp?indid=18) for U.S. President.

Huerta is an honorary chair of the Democratic Socialists of America. In 2006 she praised (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/presidential-medal-of-freedom-awarded-to-republican-bashing-chavez-admirer-dolores-huerta/) the socialist dictator Hugo Chavez for his policies in Venezuela and then asked, “Why can’t we do that here in the United States?”

Also in 2006, Huerta said (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/presidential-medal-of-freedom-awarded-to-republican-bashing-chavez-admirer-dolores-huerta/): "Our tema, our theme will be: Republicans hate Latinos, OK? Republicans hate Latinos."

In March 2012, Huerta was publicly lauded (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/presidential-medal-of-freedom-awarded-to-republican-bashing-chavez-admirer-dolores-huerta/) by Labor Secretary Hilda Solis for her actions alongside the late communist activist Cesar Chavez. Solis called Huerta "one of the living legends of the farm worker movement."

In May 2012, Huerta was awarded (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/presidential-medal-of-freedom-awarded-to-republican-bashing-chavez-admirer-dolores-huerta/) the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest honor a civilian can receive, by President Barack Obama.





Does that sound like the bio of somebody who warrants the highest US civilian award? At least they didn't name a ship after her...

I defended the ones I knew of, not the ones I've never heard of before today. Although I don't agree with all of her stances as laid out in this article, I do agree to an extent with her comment about dictators and the US. Samoza, Baptista, Pinochet-nothing encourages a communist revolution in a Banana Republic like an american-supported dictatorship, at least that's how it was in the 70s and 80s.

ThinkingBig
05-30-2012, 04:12 PM
Well, I can cross that award off of my list of desired honors along with the Nobel Peace Prize. Giving awards to scum just pollutes the award forever.

No doubt.

In 2007, Bush gave it to Harper Lee who wrote that awful book about the liberal lawyer trying to get a rapist off.

Bush also gave one to Charlton Heston and, get this, Reagan gave one to Frank Sinatra. Guess it's for socialists and hollyweird types.

Milton Friedman '88
William F. Buckley '91
Friedrich Hayek '91
Elie Wiesel '92
I.M. Pei '93
Norman Rockwell '77
John Wayne '80
John Steinbeck '64
Aretha Franklin '05
B.B. King '06
Ansel Adams '80

That's right, one bad apple, one recipient we don't agree with, cancels out all the rest. President Romney (fingers crossed) better just cancel this "Freedom" medal.

Damn you, Obama!:evil-grin:

Chuck58
05-30-2012, 04:50 PM
I never thought Bob Dylan was much of an example of anything but drug and booze abuse.

After retirement, I worked security at a major Santa Fe hotel. Dylan and his band stayed there (1991). At about 3 in the morning, guests were complaining about the ruckus they were making. Two other guards and I ended up having to evict them from the property. They were drunk, high and generally obnoxious. We finally got rid of them.

After, we went into the rooms (they were trashed) and, honestly, if we'd been on the ball we could almost have retired from selling the variety of dope we found in those rooms.

Odysseus
05-30-2012, 05:42 PM
I defended the ones I knew of, not the ones I've never heard of before today. Although I don't agree with all of her stances as laid out in this article, I do agree to an extent with her comment about dictators and the US. Samoza, Baptista, Pinochet-nothing encourages a communist revolution in a Banana Republic like an american-supported dictatorship, at least that's how it was in the 70s and 80s.

Somoza was replaced by the Sandinistas and Batista by Castro, so in both cases, the cure was worse than the disease. Pinochet took power because Allende, who was elected with a small plurality of the vote, tried to pull a Hugo Chavez and consolidate power through illegal means. The result of Allende's intended coup was widespread civil disobedience and a general strike against him. His response was to attempt to suppress the dissent the way that Marxists always do, via naked force, but the army refused to comply and ousted him. His supporters then mounted a campaign of terror. Pinochet's government fought that campaign and won, and instituted market reforms and eventual political reforms. He voluntarily stepped down and was followed by free elections.

The reason that communist revolutions occurred in American-allied states is because the Soviets backed the communists in order to drive out our allies. Note that Soviet-backed dictatorships never had communist insurgencies, even when they were not communist states. Nasser's Egypt, Assad's Syria and Qadaffi's Libya are prime examples. Communists don't care about freedom, they care about power and advancing the goals of their patrons. If Pinochet had been made the right noises about socialism and the USSR, he'd have been a hero of the left, even if his policies had been the same.

So, no, her argument is just more propaganda on behalf of the communist totalitarians that she supports.

Odysseus
05-30-2012, 06:00 PM
No doubt.

In 2007, Bush gave it to Harper Lee who wrote that awful book about the liberal lawyer trying to get a rapist off.

Bush also gave one to Charlton Heston and, get this, Reagan gave one to Frank Sinatra. Guess it's for socialists and hollyweird types.

Milton Friedman '88
William F. Buckley '91
Friedrich Hayek '91
Elie Wiesel '92
I.M. Pei '93
Norman Rockwell '77
John Wayne '80
John Steinbeck '64
Aretha Franklin '05
B.B. King '06
Ansel Adams '80

That's right, one bad apple, one recipient we don't agree with, cancels out all the rest. President Romney (fingers crossed) better just cancel this "Freedom" medal.

Damn you, Obama!:evil-grin:

Very impressive. You've managed to be ignorant and obnoxious at the same time. The argument is that Obama's choices denigrate the award and reduce its value, just as the Nobel Committee's award of the Peace Prize to Yasir Arafat, Rigoberta Menchu, Al Gore, Mohammed al Baradei and Obama have permanently tainted that award. The recipients that you've cited are American icons, each of whom has enriched the United States in clear and compelling ways. Dolores Huerta has not. She is a labor cartel organizer who has spent her adult life undermining the political and economic systems of the United States. She is an admirer of communist totalitarian mass-murderers and a blatant liar and demagogue. She does not deserve this award.

NJCardFan
05-30-2012, 10:00 PM
You're arguing with a troll Ody.

Odysseus
05-30-2012, 11:07 PM
You're arguing with a troll Ody.

I know. But Arroyo and Wei seem to be busy with the Obama campaign, so I'm taking my fun where I can.

AmPat
05-31-2012, 05:20 AM
No doubt.

In 2007, Bush gave it to Harper Lee who wrote that awful book about the liberal lawyer trying to get a rapist off.

Bush also gave one to Charlton Heston and, get this, Reagan gave one to Frank Sinatra. Guess it's for socialists and hollyweird types.

Milton Friedman '88
William F. Buckley '91
Friedrich Hayek '91
Elie Wiesel '92
I.M. Pei '93
Norman Rockwell '77
John Wayne '80
John Steinbeck '64
Aretha Franklin '05
B.B. King '06
Ansel Adams '80

That's right, one bad apple, one recipient we don't agree with, cancels out all the rest. President Romney (fingers crossed) better just cancel this "Freedom" medal.

Damn you, Obama!:evil-grin:
Which ones on your list are anti-American POS like Huerta? Things that make you go, Hmmm.
:rolleyes:
Try again numb nuts.

noonwitch
05-31-2012, 08:48 AM
Somoza was replaced by the Sandinistas and Batista by Castro, so in both cases, the cure was worse than the disease.


I'm not denying that, but we could have had a better strategy than holding up a dictator that none of the people want as a leader-it just feeds the communists' arguments in those situations.