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Gina
06-07-2012, 03:10 PM
Link (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/06/07/where-is-outrage/)

For the past few weeks, I have been writing in this column about the government's use of drones and challenging their constitutionality on Fox News Channel where I work. I once asked on air what Thomas Jefferson would have done if -- had drones existed at the time -- King George III had sent drones to peer inside the bedroom windows of Monticello. I suspect that Jefferson and his household would have trained their muskets on the drones and taken them down. I offer this historical anachronism as a hypothetical only, not as one who is urging the use of violence against the government.

Nevertheless, what Jeffersonians are among us today? When drones take pictures of us on our private property and in our homes, and the government uses the photos as it wishes, what will we do about it? Jefferson understood that when the government assaults our privacy and dignity, it is the moral equivalent of violence against us. The folks who hear about this, who either laugh or groan, cannot find it humorous or boring that their every move will be monitored and photographed by the government.

Don't believe me that this is coming? The photos that the drones will take may be retained and used or even distributed to others in the government so long as the "recipient is reasonably perceived to have a specific, lawful governmental function” in requiring them. And for the first time since the Civil War, the federal government will deploy military personnel inside the United States and publicly acknowledge that it is deploying them "to collect information about U.S. persons.”
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Did you consent to the American military spying on Americans in America? I don’t know a single person who has, but I know only a few who are complaining.
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It gets worse. If the military personnel see something of interest from a drone, they may apply to a military judge or "military commander” for permission to conduct a physical search of the private property that intrigues them. And, any "incidentally acquired information” can be retained or turned over to local law enforcement. What's next? Prosecutions before military tribunals in the U.S.?

The quoted phrases above are extracted from a now-public 30-page memorandum issued by President Obama's Secretary of the Air Force on April 23, 2012. The purpose of the memorandum is stated as "balancing … obtaining intelligence information … and protecting individual rights guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution…” Note the primacy of intelligence gathering over freedom protection, and note the peculiar use of the word "balancing.”

More at link.

Starbuck
06-07-2012, 04:34 PM
I don't know where my outrage is, it's just not here. I ain't worried.

No one is 'peering in my windows'. If they did, they would soon become bored and go away. And I don't care if they watch me mow the yard.:single_eye:

noonwitch
06-07-2012, 04:58 PM
Are the drones out of firing range? Just wondering, because if they are like the drone in The Empire Strikes Back, I'm pretty sure someone in metro Detroit will go all Han Solo on one with an AK47, if one is visible in the area.

FlaGator
06-07-2012, 05:11 PM
Maybe I'm a bad person but I just don't care.

Articulate_Ape
06-07-2012, 06:04 PM
Maybe I'm a bad person but I just don't care.

It's because you're not a bad person that you don't care. The question is: What happens when the definition of "bad" changes? If being a Christian or a capitalist or a conservative or whatever is determined to be "bad" by the government, will you still not care? Therein lies the rub of stepping onto a slippery slope.

MrsSmith
06-07-2012, 08:57 PM
It's because you're not a bad person that you don't care. The question is: What happens when the definition of "bad" changes? If being a Christian or a capitalist or a conservative or whatever is determined to be "bad" by the government, will you still not care? Therein lies the rub of stepping onto a slippery slope.

A friend of mine mentioned the emergency law Obama recently signed...the one giving him power to confiscate any "hoarded goods." I wonder if the drone flights are also tracking home-grown livestock and produce? If you thought you could get away with "hoarding" the products of your own labor during an emergency, would Uncle Sam know how big your garden has been, and how many chickens, goats, cows, rabbits, etc. you have raised??

SarasotaRepub
06-07-2012, 09:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pF0uLnMoQZA



I Want One!!!!

Articulate_Ape
06-08-2012, 12:05 AM
A friend of mine mentioned the emergency law Obama recently signed...the one giving him power to confiscate any "hoarded goods." I wonder if the drone flights are also tracking home-grown livestock and produce? If you thought you could get away with "hoarding" the products of your own labor during an emergency, would Uncle Sam know how big your garden has been, and how many chickens, goats, cows, rabbits, etc. you have raised??

Precisely, Mrs. Smith. Once the invasion of privacy is allowed, the limits of that invasion will almost invariably escape the control of the the invaded. History is replete with evidence of this sad truth.

linda22003
06-08-2012, 10:27 AM
[QUOTE=MrsSmith;507504]A friend of mine mentioned the emergency law Obama recently signed...the one giving him power to confiscate any "hoarded goods." QUOTE]

I haven't heard about that and would like to see a link or citation.

As to muskets vs. drones and the muskets winning.... right.

NJCardFan
06-08-2012, 12:29 PM
For those who aren't concerned, every time we allow our liberties to be chipped away at, sooner or later none of us are free. "I have nothing to hide" isn't exactly true. Sure you might not think the drones will see and schmikkity-schmacking going on however, it will see that you put on a few pounds and report you to the Yeti in Chief.

AmPat
06-08-2012, 12:40 PM
Precisely, Mrs. Smith. Once the invasion of privacy is allowed, the limits of that invasion will almost invariably escape the control of the the invaded. History is replete with evidence of this sad truth.


A friend of mine mentioned the emergency law Obama recently signed...the one giving him power to confiscate any "hoarded goods." I wonder if the drone flights are also tracking home-grown livestock and produce? If you thought you could get away with "hoarding" the products of your own labor during an emergency, would Uncle Sam know how big your garden has been, and how many chickens, goats, cows, rabbits, etc. you have raised??


For those who aren't concerned, every time we allow our liberties to be chipped away at, sooner or later none of us are free. "I have nothing to hide" isn't exactly true. Sure you might not think the drones will see and schmikkity-schmacking going on however, it will see that you put on a few pounds and report you to the Yeti in Chief.
I had this conversation with my 16 yo daughter this morning. If the Nanny State can tell you what you cannot eat, they can tell you what you can (salt, sugar, etc). If we allow the slightest, seemingly insignificant intrusion into our privacy, or cede personal decisions like light bulb and toilet choices to Nanny Mc Government, we will eventually not be free at all.

Gina
06-08-2012, 02:09 PM
I had this conversation with my 16 yo daughter this morning. If the Nanny State can tell you what you cannot eat, they can tell you what you can (salt, sugar, etc). If we allow the slightest, seemingly insignificant intrusion into our privacy, or cede personal decisions like light bulb and toilet choices to Nanny Mc Government, we will eventually not be free at all.

Exactly. The other comments about having nothing to worry about because we're not breaking the law, that only applies if the people who decide what is acceptable aren't crazy. Like liberals.

Elspeth
06-08-2012, 05:40 PM
A friend of mine mentioned the emergency law Obama recently signed...the one giving him power to confiscate any "hoarded goods." I wonder if the drone flights are also tracking home-grown livestock and produce? If you thought you could get away with "hoarding" the products of your own labor during an emergency, would Uncle Sam know how big your garden has been, and how many chickens, goats, cows, rabbits, etc. you have raised??

Bingo.

The other thing to watch out for is when the USDA demands drones to be used to track down people growing too much food for their own use. This kind of thing is already happening in Georgia without drones. (http://theintelhub.com/2010/09/14/georgia-man-fined-5000-for-growing-vegetables/)