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Gina
06-10-2012, 08:07 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014140399

Tx4obama (19,096 posts)
Trayvon Martin Case Prompts Civil Rights Commission Investigation On Stand Your Ground Laws

Source: MEDIAite

The United States Commission on Civil Rights is launching an investigation into the various state Stand Your Ground laws, as a responses to the controversy surrounding the killing of Florida teen Trayvon Martin. According to the Commission, the review will look at specific case studies like Floria and amass national statistics on who is affected and how effective the law is of suppressing crime.

Calling the timing a unique opportunity to uncover facts and provide thoughtful analysis on whether and how racial bias enters into the operation of SYG laws in Florida and elsewhere, the Commission noted that it would look at at least three states as case studies and begin conducting hearings on the matter. Included in the information they are seeking are statistics such as: ...

Read more: http://www.mediaite.com/online/trayvon-martin-case-prompts-civil-rights-commission-investigation-on-stand-your-ground-laws/

Read the full United States Commission on Civil Rights announcement here - PDF: http://www.scribd.com/doc/96430532/U-S-Commission-On-Civil-Rights-Proposal
Most DUers responding to this thread are happy this is 'finally happening'. There's a couple possible moles though. :biggrin-new:

JDPriestly (31,612 posts)
4. These Stand Your Groundlaws place the responsibility and privilege of making certain decisions about

whether a self-defense defense applies in a case too heavily on police officers and politically appointed DAs.

The old laws were just fine. A defendant should be able to plead the defense of self-defense, but should bear a burden of proving that the self-defense was reasonable. And deciding whether an act was reasonable should usually be a jury's job.

These SYG laws are going to increase the amount of brutal killing in our country. We already have too much of it.

These laws encourage a lone ranger, lynching mentality.
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gejohnston (6,612 posts)
13. you think duty to retreat was just?

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Actually Duty to retreat is fundamentally unjust. It requires a defendant to prove their innocence. Justifiable homicide is not a crime. The burden of proof should always be on the State.

The old laws were just fine. A defendant should be able to plead the defense of self-defense, but should bear a burden of proving that the self-defense was reasonable. And deciding whether an act was reasonable should usually be a jury's job.
and if you have a racist jury? How many innocent people are in prison because they could not plead their case? Or the jury was tainted because of racism?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_retreat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law


These SYG laws are going to increase the amount of brutal killing in our country. We already have too much of it.
How so? I fail to see the logic. The laws are hardly new and did not begin in Florida.
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AtheistCrusader (10,582 posts)
17. No they don't.

"These laws encourage a lone ranger, lynching mentality."

That is complete crap. The investigating officer recommended Zimmerman be charged. He was overruled.
Simple fix: Remove the DA from the equation at that point, and send any case where the police suggest a charge, to a grand jury. The DA can enforce the results of the grand jury and proceed to trial.

SYG didn't encourage Zimmerman to appoint himself some kind of mall cop and start accosting people.

Most states have some sort of SYG law, and even with the justifiable homicide numbers added in, total homicides are down, year over year. So 'going to increase' hasn't happened at all. Some of these SYG laws have been on the books for decades.
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To me, the story in the OP is troubling in regard to the 2nd amendment. An excuse to get 'tougher gun laws'.

NJCardFan
06-10-2012, 11:24 PM
I will "stand my ground" every time. See, to me it's far better to be tried by 12 than to be carried by 6.

wasp69
06-11-2012, 09:43 AM
Calling the timing a unique opportunity to uncover facts and provide thoughtful analysis on whether and how racial bias enters into the operation of SYG laws in Florida and elsewhere,


If your starting point is looking for racism, "facts" and "thoughtful analysis" have already been thrown out of the window. Maybe the "Civil Rights Commission" needs to instead look at how they can get their minions to behave and act like civilized human beings instead of trying to excuse their behavior and force the rest of us to deal with their thugs with the legal system stacked against us.

Sorry, libtards, we've already tried it your way and it didn't work. It's long past time for the law abiding citizens in this country to affect change in the behavior of the scum of society with the correct tools at their disposal.

AmPat
06-11-2012, 11:02 AM
SYG= Save Your Guns