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Hubie
06-27-2012, 12:24 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/13/james-turley-boy-scouts-gay-ban_n_1593595.html


A high-profile member of the Boy Scouts of America's governing board says he doesn't support the Scouts' policy of excluding gays and will work from within to seek a change.

Ernst & Young CEO James Turley, whose accounting firm has welcomed gays and lesbians in its own work force, becomes the first member of the Scouts' Executive Board known to publicly disapprove of the policy.

"I support the meaningful work of the Boy Scouts in preparing young people for adventure, leadership, learning and service, however the membership policy is not one I would personally endorse," Turley said in a statement released by his company.

"As I have done in leading Ernst & Young to being a most inclusive organization, I intend to continue to work from within the BSA Board to actively encourage dialogue and sustainable progress," Turley said.

The Boy Scouts responded Wednesday with a joint statement from the two top leaders, National President Wayne Perry and Chief Scout Executive Robert Mazzuca.

"The Boy Scouts of America respects the opinions of our board members and are thankful for their leadership," the statement said. "While we have supporters and board members with different viewpoints on this issue, and who may choose a different direction for their organizations, we believe that good people can personally disagree on this topic and still work together."

Last week, the Scouts confirmed there will be a review of a resolution that would allow individual units to accept gays as adult leaders. However, the organization issued a statement saying the review was merely routine procedure, and there were no plans to change the membership policy.

I saw someone post a pretty good question on Facebook about this: why are gays, their supporters and their lawyers so interested in the Boy Scouts? He then posted a few links that might answer why:

http://www.wgrz.com/news/article/127465/37/Former-Scoutmaster-Facing-Sex-Charges

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1380449/Scoutmaster-Steven-Etherington-guilty-charges-sexual-assault.html

http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/07/29/38558.htm

http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/02/15/34213.htm

And don't give me that shit about "pedophiles aren't homosexuals." Jesse Dirkhising's murder proved that to be a 100% fraudulent argument.

noonwitch
06-27-2012, 01:33 PM
I think the argument you were trying to make is that you think homosexuals are pedophiles, not that pedophiles are homosexuals. Otherwise it is difficult to explain the large number of criminal cases involving heterosexual men and female child victims. I don't have exact numbers, but most child sexual abuse cases are of a heterosexual nature, with a male perps and female victims.


I will say this-the sexual abuse of children is a crime that in the vast majority of cases is perpetrated by those of the male gender, heterosexual or homosexual. Like, over 90% of the time, the perp is a male.

Whether Jerry Sandusky or some priest molests boys or a teacher or neighbor molests girls, it's all the same crime. It's not a worse crime to be a homosexual child molester than to be a heterosexual child molester, because either way, the person is a child molesting scumbag.

Also, sex crimes are not crimes of lust. They are crimes of violence, that involve motives of power and control, and sometimes of revenge. A molester picks a child victim for reasons beyond just sexual attraction. It's about victimizing a powerless invidividual, not about sexual desire.

Generation Why?
06-27-2012, 02:12 PM
While some pedophiles are homosexuals and some homosexuals are pedophiles, I think it is safe to say that not all homosexuals are pedophiles and vice versa. With that said, this stuff does happen. Inappropriate relationships have been around for a long time. Hopefully we can continue to end them and ultimately stop them before it happens.

FlaGator
06-27-2012, 02:23 PM
Regardless of the question concerning pedophiles and homosexuals, the bigger question is why do they want to belong to a private organization that doesn't believe in the same things that they do? The only answer I can come up with is that they desire to change the principles of the organization to something more to their liking.

Why don't they just start their own organization with their own principles instead of changing the existing organization?

There is more at issue here than letting gays became leaders of the Boy Scouts. For some the desire for acceptance is so strong that when they can't gain inclusion they will seek to destroy.

Generation Why?
06-27-2012, 02:30 PM
Regardless of the question concerning pedophiles and homosexuals, the bigger question is why do they want to belong to a private organization that doesn't believe in the same things that they do? The only answer I can come up with is that they desire to change the principles of the organization to something more to their liking.

Why don't they just start their own organization with their own principles instead of changing the existing organization?

There is more at issue here than letting gays became leaders of the Boy Scouts. For some the desire for acceptance is so strong that when they can't gain inclusion they will seek to destroy.

Completely agree. It is a private organization, they can make their own rules.

Gina
06-27-2012, 02:36 PM
Regardless of the question concerning pedophiles and homosexuals, the bigger question is why do they want to belong to a private organization that doesn't believe in the same things that they do? The only answer I can come up with is that they desire to change the principles of the organization to something more to their liking.

Why don't they just start their own organization with their own principles instead of changing the existing organization?

There is more at issue here than letting gays became leaders of the Boy Scouts. For some the desire for acceptance is so strong that when they can't gain inclusion they will seek to destroy.

Yes. This is very ACLUish in nature, trying to politicize something that isn't really a place their nose needs to be.

Bailey
06-27-2012, 02:59 PM
Regardless of the question concerning pedophiles and homosexuals, the bigger question is why do they want to belong to a private organization that doesn't believe in the same things that they do? The only answer I can come up with is that they desire to change the principles of the organization to something more to their liking.

Why don't they just start their own organization with their own principles instead of changing the existing organization?

There is more at issue here than letting gays became leaders of the Boy Scouts. For some the desire for acceptance is so strong that when they can't gain inclusion they will seek to destroy.

Its whats liberals/perverts do, instead of starting their own clubs or organisations they infiltrate good/wholesome institutions and subvert them.

Hubie
06-27-2012, 04:46 PM
I think the argument you were trying to make is that you think homosexuals are pedophiles, not that pedophiles are homosexuals.

Let me clarify: some homosexuals are pedophiles and some heterosexuals are pedophiles, and they clearly are homosexuals and heterosexuals. Homosexuals and their supporters will try to tell you that men who prey upon boys are not homosexual, as if "pedophile" is a sexual orientation unto itself. It's not. They don't want the connection made between the two because they know that it's a fact that there are more homosexual pedophiles than heterosexual ones.

Generation Why?
06-27-2012, 06:18 PM
Let me clarify: some homosexuals are pedophiles and some heterosexuals are pedophiles, and they clearly are homosexuals and heterosexuals. Homosexuals and their supporters will try to tell you that men who prey upon boys are not homosexual, as if "pedophile" is a sexual orientation unto itself. It's not. They don't want the connection made between the two because they know that it's a fact that there are more homosexual pedophiles than heterosexual ones.

I see your point, but I think their issue is more that they want a connection made that there are more homosexuals than there are homosexual pedophiles. That's how I look at it having gay relatives. But it's irrelevant. The Boy Scouts is a private entity they can say no to someone for being gay. If that is an issue, maybe the homosexual community, or a seperate community entirely, can start a similar organization with less restrictions when it comes to sexual orientation. Just a thought.

Hubie
06-28-2012, 12:19 AM
I see your point, but I think their issue is more that they want a connection made that there are more homosexuals than there are homosexual pedophiles. That's how I look at it having gay relatives. But it's irrelevant. The Boy Scouts is a private entity they can say no to someone for being gay. If that is an issue, maybe the homosexual community, or a seperate community entirely, can start a similar organization with less restrictions when it comes to sexual orientation. Just a thought.

Yeah, they can, but to them, it wouldn't have the same impact as tearing down the Boy Scouts' stance on the issue. That's all the care about. They don't give a damn if any homosexual becomes a Scout or a Scout leader. All they care about is forcing the Scouts to submit to their will.

txradioguy
06-28-2012, 04:57 AM
Its whats liberals/perverts do, instead of starting their own clubs or organisations they infiltrate good/wholesome institutions and subvert them.

They have their own clubs...NAMBLA ACTUP GLADD etc.

The problem is that they want to impose their social views on organizations that don't agree with them.

Amazing to me how that's always ok for Liberal organizations to do...but never for Conservatives.

Novaheart
06-28-2012, 08:23 AM
......... the bigger question is why do they want to belong to a private organization that doesn't believe in the same things that they do?

My dad was a Scout leader before I was born. After Dad became father to three kids, he must not have had the time to spend with it, but his Scouting career spanned his youth and well past college. I have no idea why he was a Scout leader, maybe he found it rewarding. Why is anyone a Scout leader? Why do people volunteer to work with the elderly and the handicapped? You can find cases of abuse in all of those categories, but you don't attribute them to a demographic, do you? What you are engaging in is confirmation bias; because you want to demonize gay people, when you find a case you think supports that meme then you attribute it to the group rather than the individual. Isn't that Identity Politics that you complain about? Actually, it's just ignorance and prejudice, isn't it?

Novaheart
06-28-2012, 08:30 AM
Yeah, they can, but to them, it wouldn't have the same impact as tearing down the Boy Scouts' stance on the issue. That's all the care about. They don't give a damn if any homosexual becomes a Scout or a Scout leader. All they care about is forcing the Scouts to submit to their will.

Who is "they"? You have a story here where one board member says that he's unhappy with the policy and finds it inconsistent with at least American corporate culture if not the culture in its entirety.

The Boy Scouts won the right to discriminate in court. That doesn't make it the right thing to do. Just because something is legal, doesn't make it moral. I would add that the Scouts then whined to anyone who would listen when municipal governments and other agencies started treating them like a private club. Boo hoo! You can't discriminate against gay kids who want to be scouts and still get a free slip at the Berkeley Marina as if your membership were open to all boys of a certain age range; imagine that.

BTW, our local Scout Troop is run by lesbians and doesn't discriminate because if they do they will lose a building that we the taxpayers gave them, that we pay to keep up, and which pays no taxes. That's how it works.

txradioguy
06-28-2012, 09:17 AM
Who is "they"? You have a story here where one board member says that he's unhappy with the policy and finds it inconsistent with at least American corporate culture if not the culture in its entirety.

The DNC...NAMBLA...GLADD...ACLU and all the other alphabet gay agenda driving "institutions" taht push this kind of crap.


The Boy Scouts won the right to discriminate in court. That doesn't make it the right thing to do. Just because something is legal, doesn't make it moral. I would add that the Scouts then whined to anyone who would listen when municipal governments and other agencies started treating them like a private club. Boo hoo! You can't discriminate against gay kids who want to be scouts and still get a free slip at the Berkeley Marina as if your membership were open to all boys of a certain age range; imagine that.

Therea re private colleges and clubs all over the country that are within their right to set their own membership standards.

You're just pissed cause this one particular private club won't let you indoctrinate young impressionable boys with a deviant lifestyle.

Boo frickin hoo.

I can't attend Smith College...should I sue to get my way? Or is it only Liberals that get to firce their views on people that don't agree with them and get away with it?


BTW, our local Scout Troop is run by lesbians and doesn't discriminate because if they do they will lose a building that we the taxpayers gave them, that we pay to keep up, and which pays no taxes. That's how it works.

Wow...THAT is really teaching those young boys virture and morals.

:rolleyes:

Gina
06-28-2012, 09:26 AM
Just because something is legal, doesn't make it moral.

When a conservative says that, it's wrong. Gay marriage for example. Legal in some states, immoral in all. I'll wait for you to say I'm intolerant or whatever but your statement cuts both ways.

FlaGator
06-28-2012, 10:00 AM
My dad was a Scout leader before I was born. After Dad became father to three kids, he must not have had the time to spend with it, but his Scouting career spanned his youth and well past college. I have no idea why he was a Scout leader, maybe he found it rewarding. Why is anyone a Scout leader? Why do people volunteer to work with the elderly and the handicapped? You can find cases of abuse in all of those categories, but you don't attribute them to a demographic, do you? What you are engaging in is confirmation bias; because you want to demonize gay people, when you find a case you think supports that meme then you attribute it to the group rather than the individual. Isn't that Identity Politics that you complain about? Actually, it's just ignorance and prejudice, isn't it?

I am not demonizing gay people as a whole and I am not engaging in and act of confirmation bias because I am not trying to confirm anything. I am questioning why some gay people want to change the principles of an organization that has values contrary to theirs and I am speculating on the causes of such behavior. I would ask this same question of the women of NOW who want to see the Augusta National accept women members if there were a current news article on the subject.

You have responded to my post but you didn't address the issue I brought up. Why do these individuals, who want to change the Boy Scouts policies, not start a form of Boys Scouts for themselves with their own policies? What purpose are they trying to achieve? What does it gain them that cannot be achieved by less invasive action?

Perhaps you can spend some thought on these questions rather making off-base observations speculating on my motives for posting. I have no issues with gays and their actions in the secular world. My only issue with gays (not gays as a whole but individual gays) whose efforts seem to be spend on altering the principles of faith based or private organizations. If gays want to get married then I am fine with that as long as churches whose moral stance is against it are not forced to perform the services. I believe that gays should not be discriminated against in employment, housing, healthcare and any other public activity that heterosexuals enjoy.

Hubie
06-28-2012, 10:16 AM
When a conservative says that, it's wrong. Gay marriage for example. Legal in some states, immoral in all. I'll wait for you to say I'm intolerant or whatever but your statement cuts both ways.

Gay marriage... abortion... smoking pot...