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Molon Labe
07-12-2012, 08:57 AM
We Are at a Turning Point (http://townhall.com/columnists/judgeandrewnapolitano/2012/07/12/we_are_at_a_turning_point)


by Andrew P. Napolitano



Presently in America, nearly half of all households receive either a salary or substantial benefits from the government. Presently in America, nearly half of all adults pay no federal income taxes. Presently in America, the half that pay no income taxes receive the bulk of their income courtesy of the government, but ultimately from the half that do. This money is extracted involuntarily from the paying half by a permanent bureaucracy that extracts and gives away more each year no matter who is running the government. The recipients of these transfer payments rely upon them for subsistence, so they have a vested financial interest in sending to Washington those who will continue to take your money and give it to them.


It is no wonder that we are now saddled with the micromanagement of health care by the same bureaucratic mindset that mismanages the Post Office and everything else the federal government runs. It should not be surprising to know that presently in America, half of the people actually want the government to take care of their needs. The same was the case under Communist regimes, but here those folks vote.

Hence, we have laws that force us to be charitable to those whom the government designates as worthy of our charity, that limit the amount of salt that restaurants can put into our food, that permit the government to watch us on street corners and subways and in the lobbies of buildings, that let the president fight wars of opportunity, that permit the Federal Reserve to print money with no value and inflate prices and destroy savings, that allow the government to listen to us on our cellphones and use those phones to follow us wherever we go, and, according to CIA Director David Petraeus, that let the government anticipate our movements inside our homes.

And as of the last week in June, the government has a vast new power that was brought to us by the Supreme Court’s latest attack on personal freedom. Congress can now lawfully command any behavior of individuals that it pleases – whether or not the subject of the behavior is a power granted to Congress by the Constitution – and it may punish noncompliance with that command, so long as the punishment is called a tax.


Justice Antonin Scalia’s whimsical query during the Supreme Court oral argument on the health care law about whether Congress could make him eat broccoli suddenly isn’t as funny as it was when he asked it, because the answer is: It can fine him for not eating broccoli, so long as it calls that fine a tax.

Quick: If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have? Answer: Four, because calling a tail a leg doesn’t make a tail a leg.

How did we get here?


We got here because voters and the government we elected, and even the courts the popular branches appointed and confirmed, have lost sight of first principles. When Thomas Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence that our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are a part of our humanity, and when we fought and won the Revolution under that premise, and when the first Congress enacted that language as the first federal law, this became the irrevocable recognition of the Natural Law as the basis for our personal freedom and limited government. Since our rights come from our humanity, they don’t come from the government.

But you would never know that from looking at the government. In New York City, where I work at Fox News Channel, we are all embroiled in two disputes this summer over the constitutional role of the government in our lives. The mayor, a self-made billionaire who likes donuts and has bodyguards but wants to tell others how to live in private and in public, is trying to ban soda pop in containers larger than 16 ounces and wants the police to be able to stop and frisk anyone on a whim – and all in the name of health and safety. He is actually banning freedom.

Imagine Jefferson being told what to eat or stopped and frisked on a whim. And then imagine the Supreme Court telling him that he must pay a tax if he fails to comport his personal private behavior as Congress – which doesn’t believe in privacy or personal freedom – commands.

Here is how you can tell that these are bad days for freedom: Does the government need your permission to violate your rights, or do you need the government’s permission to exercise them? The answer is painfully obvious.

Presently in America, what are we going to do about it?

Arroyo_Doble
07-12-2012, 09:11 AM
Sorry. I really like the stuff you bring to the table and I think you are a reasonable conservative but I cannot get past this bit that begins the article:


.... nearly half of all adults pay no federal income taxes


If income taxes were the only ones assessed at the federal level (never mind all the other taxing authorities in this nation), I could have confidence the rest of the piece addresses a problem. Starting with that leads me to believe the piece is disingenuous.

Molon Labe
07-12-2012, 09:42 AM
Sorry. I really like the stuff you bring to the table and I think you are a reasonable conservative but I cannot get past this bit that begins the article:


If income taxes were the only ones assessed at the federal level (never mind all the other taxing authorities in this nation), I could have confidence the rest of the piece addresses a problem. Starting with that leads me to believe the piece is disingenuous.


Hmmm. Maybe it should be phrased as such. (49.5% of Americans NOT represented on a Federal Tax return) That doesn't make it disingenuous at all IMO.



To its credit, the body of the Heritage post began with a reference to the “the sharp increase of Americans who rely on the federal government for housing, food, income, student aid or other assistance.” The emphasis of the piece, however, and thus, the emphasis of the other news outlets and pundits who have picked up on the statistic, is that too few people pay taxes.

http://archive.mises.org/21154/many-americans-dont-pay-income-tax-is-this-a-bad-thing/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2105131/HALF-Americans-dont-pay-income-tax-despite-crippling-government-debt.html

See...Judge Nap and I are of the opinion for LIMITING Federalism.

I think the Federal income tax is one of the most burdensome of taxes on most working Americans. When people like me and my wife who only make about 100 K together are over taxed with all the ways the state extorts money from the public, then that's less money I have to offer real help and charity to others and more burden on my state and local levels to collect revenue to work our own local issues.

I have a socialist friend I disagree with on about 95% of everything, but the one area we both can agree on is me having more choice on where my taxes go to be spent.

More Freedom Please!

NJCardFan
07-12-2012, 09:49 AM
Sorry. I really like the stuff you bring to the table and I think you are a reasonable conservative but I cannot get past this bit that begins the article:




If income taxes were the only ones assessed at the federal level (never mind all the other taxing authorities in this nation), I could have confidence the rest of the piece addresses a problem. Starting with that leads me to believe the piece is disingenuous.

Sorry but it's true. The numbers he quotes come from the IRS themselves. Taken from the Tax Foundation (http://taxfoundation.org/article/summary-latest-federal-individual-income-tax-data-0), the breakdown is as follows(numbers from 2009):

Top 1%($343,000+ AGI) of income earners earned 16.9% of all income earned yet paid 36.7% of all federal income taxes.

Top 5%($154,000+ AGI) earned 31.7% of all income yet paid 58.7% of federal income taxes.

Top 10%($112,000+ AGI) earned 43.2% of all income but paid 70.5% of all federal income taxes.

Top 25%($66,000+ AGI) earned 65.8% of all income but paid 87.3% of all federal income taxes.

Top 50%($32,000+ AGI) earned 86.5% of all income but paid 97.7% of all federal income taxes.

Remaining 50%(<$32,000 AGI) earned 13.5% of all income but paid only 2.3% of all federal income taxes.

Now leftist spinners like you and weeble like to bemoan that income taxes aren't the only taxes paid and that lower income people might actually pay more along the lines of sales taxes and such but anyone with a brain knows that is utter hogwash. The wealthy have the biggest houses and are more likely to pay more in property tax. They buy the most stuff so they pay the most sales tax. They bequeath the most to their families so they get hot with the bigger share of the death tax, etc. Also, keep in mind that thanks to such programs as the Earned Income Tax Credit(calling receiving what others paid in earned is the biggest joke put upon the public since the announcement that Dewey beat Truman), I know of people who not only contibute not one thin dime to the tax dole but who benefit from it. For example, I know of a girl who, when talking about how much we all got back at tax time, told me she got back a couple of thousand more than she had withheld from her paycheck so not only does she fall within the perimeters of the lower 50%, she actually falls into the smaller group that not only has no tax liability but a tax refund is actually another source of income so I ask you, which half is paying their fair share and which isn't?

Unreconstructed Reb
07-12-2012, 11:00 AM
Second Plank of the Communist Manifesto: A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

It's purpose? Redistribution of wealth by federal politicians who have taken it upon themselves to decide winners and losers.

Gina
07-12-2012, 11:53 AM
You've all probably heard the stat going around right now that if all the top 2% had their taxes raised by what Obama wants, it would raise $85 billion a year into the federal coffers. Problem with that is the fed govt spends that amount in about 8.5 DAYS. Obama is full of it to lead "folks" to believe taxing the top 2% would solve a lot of the problem. It wouldn't and I'm pretty sure he knows it. :livid:

Class warfare! (Sung to the tune of Hallelujah!)

noonwitch
07-12-2012, 12:02 PM
Sorry but it's true. The numbers he quotes come from the IRS themselves. Taken from the Tax Foundation (http://taxfoundation.org/article/summary-latest-federal-individual-income-tax-data-0), the breakdown is as follows(numbers from 2009):

Top 1%($343,000+ AGI) of income earners earned 16.9% of all income earned yet paid 36.7% of all federal income taxes.

Top 5%($154,000+ AGI) earned 31.7% of all income yet paid 58.7% of federal income taxes.

Top 10%($112,000+ AGI) earned 43.2% of all income but paid 70.5% of all federal income taxes.

Top 25%($66,000+ AGI) earned 65.8% of all income but paid 87.3% of all federal income taxes.

Top 50%($32,000+ AGI) earned 86.5% of all income but paid 97.7% of all federal income taxes.

Remaining 50%(<$32,000 AGI) earned 13.5% of all income but paid only 2.3% of all federal income taxes.




There's a reason I never argue statistics with conservatives-the numbers confuse me.

txradioguy
07-12-2012, 01:16 PM
If income taxes were the only ones assessed at the federal level (never mind all the other taxing authorities in this nation), I could have confidence the rest of the piece addresses a problem. Starting with that leads me to believe the piece is disingenuous.

Why is it a problem? Are you saying that Government and IRS statistics are lying?

If you've got anything other than your tired Liberal propaganda to back up claims to the contrary...please by all means post it.

AmPat
07-12-2012, 10:10 PM
There's a reason I never argue statistics with conservatives-the numbers confuse me.
It also tends to expose liberal dogma as the crap that it is. Founded on feeling and destroyed by logic, Liberal feelgoodism is pure fantasy and there is no amount of money that can pay for the ridiculous goals of liberals. War on drugs, war on poverty, unilateral peace through intentions, All mankind holding hands singing we are the world (in English of course), etc, etc.

Statistics are much like facts to liberals; avoid them if you can, ignore or change them if you cannot.

NJCardFan
07-12-2012, 10:30 PM
There's a reason I never argue statistics with conservatives-the numbers confuse me.

Which is the problem with liberals. If the facts and actual numbers confuse them, they dismiss them out of hand or when it comes to people like wee wee or thinking stupidly, they not only dismiss it out of hand but they try to be clever and dismiss it with some kind of snarky remark. Truth of the matter is that the top income earners ARE paying their fair share and those on the left know it.