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Elspeth
07-13-2012, 07:11 PM
That's a comment from my favorite Drudge pick of the day:

http://www.religionnews.com/culture/gender-and-sexuality/do-atheists-have-a-sexual-harassment-problem

Do atheists have a sexual harassment problem?


(RNS) As skeptics, atheists and humanists prepare to gather for their largest meeting in Las Vegas this weekend, attendance by women is expected to be down significantly.

Officials for The Amazing Meeting, or TAM, said Wednesday (July 11) that women would make up 31 percent of the 1,200 conference attendees, down from 40 percent the year before. A month before the conference, pre-registration was only 18 percent women, organizers said.

The explanations are many -- the bad economy, that women, as caregivers, are less able to get away, and that more men than women identify as skeptics, whose worldview rejects the supernatural and focuses on science and rationality.

But in the weeks preceding TAM, another possible explanation has roiled the nontheist community. Online forums have crackled with charges of sexism in TAM’s leadership and calls for the ouster of D.J. Grothe, the male president of the James Randi Educational Foundation, TAM’s organizer. In June, Rebecca Watson, a skeptic blogger and speaker, canceled her TAM appearance because, she said on her blog, she does “not feel welcome or safe.”

Other nontheists -- both male and female -- have shared stories of unwanted sexual attention at nontheist gatherings, including propositions for sex and unwelcome touching. Chatter has ranged from calls for more women to attend nontheist events to personal attacks on prominent female skeptics for discussing harassment. Meanwhile, two more skeptic/feminist bloggers announced they will not attend TAM....

This is not the first time the skeptic community has struggled with sexual harassment charges.

Last year, at another skeptic conference, Watson said she was approached late at night in an elevator by a man she believed was seeking sex. When she blogged about it, the “atheosphere” erupted in comments, both supportive and negative. British biologist Richard Dawkins, the best-selling author of “The God Delusion,” wrote that Watson should “stop whining” and “grow a thicker skin.”

The current hullabaloo can be traced to May’s Women in Secularism Conference, a first-of-its-kind gathering about nontheist women. On a panel examining feminism and nontheism, Jennifer McCreight, an atheist blogger, said women speakers at nontheist events warn each other privately about male speakers who make unwanted sexual advances.....


More at the link....

DumbAss Tanker
07-17-2012, 02:21 PM
Asking someone to have sex with you isn't sexual harassment, asking them again after they've made it clear they aren't interested is. I suspect this is a mixture of a real problem and the hyperbolic drama of feminazis trying to assert their power in the manner that redbitchqueen, seabeyond, and a few other all-heterosexual-intercourse-is-rape thinkers over at DU try to exercise over their fellow DUmmies from time to time.

noonwitch
07-17-2012, 04:11 PM
Asking someone to have sex with you isn't sexual harassment, asking them again after they've made it clear they aren't interested is. I suspect this is a mixture of a real problem and the hyperbolic drama of feminazis trying to assert their power in the manner that redbitchqueen, seabeyond, and a few other all-heterosexual-intercourse-is-rape thinkers over at DU try to exercise over their fellow DUmmies from time to time.


Agreed. Sexual harrassment has to have a certain level of manipulation involved by one person who has some type of power over the other. Or it has to be crude and constant, to the point that it distracts from the work environment.

There's a big difference between a male boss telling me "You look lovely today" and "You look hot today".

Generation Why?
07-17-2012, 04:57 PM
So is your theory that non-theists are worse people because they do not have a higher power to be held accountable to?

AmPat
07-17-2012, 05:36 PM
So is your theory that non-theists are worse people because they do not have a higher power to be held accountable to?
Whose "theory?"

Generation Why?
07-17-2012, 05:41 PM
Whose "theory?"

Elspeth

AmPat
07-17-2012, 05:47 PM
Elspeth
Where are Elspeth's words?

Generation Why?
07-17-2012, 05:54 PM
Where are Elspeth's words?

From the original post: "Do atheists have a sexual harassment problem?"

Are you implying that because atheists, non-theists, and skeptics do not believe in a higher power that they are worse people and have a "sexual harrasment problem"?

And an apology to Elspeth, they were not their words but the words in the article. Furthermore, every group has their issues in every aspect of crime for the most part. Atheists have as much of a sexual harrasment problem as Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc etc.

NJCardFan
07-17-2012, 06:11 PM
From the original post: "Do atheists have a sexual harassment problem?"

Are you implying that because atheists, non-theists, and skeptics do not believe in a higher power that they are worse people and have a "sexual harrasment problem"?

And an apology to Elspeth, they were not their words but the words in the article. Furthermore, every group has their issues in every aspect of crime for the most part. Atheists have as much of a sexual harrasment problem as Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc etc.

If you took your head out of your ass long enough to actually have clicked on the link you'd see that those words belong to the author of the article, Kimberly Winston. So next time actually take time to check out the link provided before spouting off like an idiot.

Generation Why?
07-17-2012, 06:22 PM
If you took your head out of your ass long enough to actually have clicked on the link you'd see that those words belong to the author of the article, Kimberly Winston. So next time actually take time to check out the link provided before spouting off like an idiot.

I pointed that out in the post you just quoted.

Hubie
07-17-2012, 06:49 PM
Wow! I had been following the neo-atheist implosion after the elevator incident and was highly amused. Now I'm laughing uproariously! Their community handled that situation -- as well as the overall issue behind it -- very, very poorly and they are now paying the price. Women are starting to avoid their gatherings like the plague. Even their own female superstars!

Ironically, had this incident happened to a Christian woman at a Christian convention, the neo-atheists would've been all over it in a heartbeat and condemning Christians left and right.

Gina
07-17-2012, 08:17 PM
Wow! I had been following the neo-atheist implosion after the elevator incident and was highly amused. Now I'm laughing uproariously! Their community handled that situation -- as well as the overall issue behind it -- very, very poorly and they are now paying the price. Women are starting to avoid their gatherings like the plague. Even their own female superstars!

Ironically, had this incident happened to a Christian woman at a Christian convention, the neo-atheists would've been all over it in a heartbeat and condemning Christians left and right.

God Bless the Promise Keepers!

Yes you're right, the accusations of hypocrisy would have abounded! ...which is weird because atheists tell us that you don't need a higher power to be moral. Life is so confusing. :lemo:

AmPat
07-18-2012, 12:10 AM
I pointed that out in the post you just quoted.
Yeah, your apology virtually drips with realism. I tried to get you to see the error of your post but you failed. I suggest a real and heartfelt apology is in order. Perhaps a large slice of humble pie to boot.

Generation Why?
07-18-2012, 12:23 PM
Yeah, your apology virtually drips with realism. I tried to get you to see the error of your post but you failed. I suggest a real and heartfelt apology is in order. Perhaps a large slice of humble pie to boot.

My apology virtually drips with realism, huh? Well it was real. I re-read it and got the lines mixed up. Forgive me I am only human.

And I can't speak for everyone, but it is possible to have a moral code without having religious beliefs.

AmPat
07-19-2012, 10:44 AM
My apology virtually drips with realism, huh? Well it was real. I re-read it and got the lines mixed up. Forgive me I am only human.

And I can't speak for everyone, but it is possible to have a moral code without having religious beliefs.
It's possible, yes. Possible vs probable is how a great city grew up in the middle of a desert.