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Hubie
07-30-2012, 12:20 AM
http://www.nomblog.com/25934/?utm_content=sf5283387&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=NOM+Corporate&utm_medium=opussocialcrm&sf5283387=1


Turned off by the company's anti-gay reputation, area resident David Speakman posted an online petition on fundraising site WePay looking to gather the $1,000 necessary to lodge a zoning challenge to stop the franchise from moving in.

... "It could be Mother Teresa that owns it, and it would be a bad place," Speakman told the San Francisco Chronicle. "But because it was a bunch of bigots, it gave us an extra nudge."

In 2008, Speakman and his husband Richard were the first gay couple in Santa Clara County to be legally married.

"We're pro-business and pro-growth, but businesses that move here have to reflect our community," Speakman added to the Palo Alto Daily News. "If they're going to be offensive to our friends and family who happen to by gay or lesbian, we're going to look at them a little bit harder and make sure they follow the rules."

Question #1: How many porn shops and strip clubs does Mountain View have and do those "reflect [their] community?"

Question #2: When has supporting traditional marriage ever been against "the rules?"

Novaheart
07-30-2012, 12:30 AM
Theater.

San Francisco already tried to ban McDonalds or drive thru fast food in the 80's and it didn't work.

LukeEDay
07-30-2012, 08:41 AM
Chick-Fil-A can sue him, and I hope they do.

Bailey
07-30-2012, 08:45 AM
How many times do these fudgepackers have to be told? You cant discriminate just because the CEO believes (and rightly so) that gay marriage is wrong. If the bidness follows the zoning laws you have no choice.

Lanie
07-30-2012, 09:54 AM
This is ridiculous. If you don't want to eat there, don't eat there.

Lanie
07-30-2012, 09:58 AM
I just had a funny thought.

So people are going nuts trying to ban chick-fil-a, right? Well, I live in a town that's so whoopy-doo against gay marriage. They actually go to chick-fil-a out of some sort of dumb solidarity.

People are so afraid to open up a business in this town because it never lasts. You pretty much have to be a dollar store to last around here.

What if I opened up a chick-fil-a? Work hard enough to get it off the ground and then leave it in the hands of others eventually. I can make money off the backs of those who are against gay marriage and give my money to a gay rights group. That would be awesome.

You have to admit. The idea is pretty funny.

Nah, I was just thinking I wanted chick-fil-a, but that the closest one was 30 miles away.

LukeEDay
07-30-2012, 10:03 AM
My main beef with some of these people is that they are constantly shoving their life style down our throats, and feel that they are a victim of everything. As well as taking everything out of context to suit their agenda.

Odysseus
07-30-2012, 10:18 AM
http://www.nomblog.com/25934/?utm_content=sf5283387&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=NOM+Corporate&utm_medium=opussocialcrm&sf5283387=1

Question #1: How many porn shops and strip clubs does Mountain View have and do those "reflect [their] community?"

Hard to say, but given that Mountain View is in the Bay Area, it's close enough to San Francisco for the locals to get their freak on without having to actually have anything like that within the town limits, but given the locals' prevailing attitudes, I suspect that they would consider porn and stip clubs to be reflections of their "diversity", while a business that makes money selling food that people actually want to eat and doesn't toe the local PC line would not. Remember that to a liberal, diversity is a room full of people who look different, but think in lockstep conformity.


Question #2: When has supporting traditional marriage ever been against "the rules?"

Since liberals make the rules up as they go along, it's hard to say for certain. In the Miss USA Pageant, it's been about two years now. In electoral politics, about three months, depending on whether you think Obama's conversion on the subject was the result of genuine introspection, or was simply him stating what he has always believed but now had to say because Biden tipped his hand. Basically, it's just liberals deciding that the rules have changed, even though they haven't gotten anyone to agree to it.

Madisonian
07-30-2012, 11:00 AM
I just had a funny thought.

So people are going nuts trying to ban chick-fil-a, right? Well, I live in a town that's so whoopy-doo against gay marriage. They actually go to chick-fil-a out of some sort of dumb solidarity.

People are so afraid to open up a business in this town because it never lasts. You pretty much have to be a dollar store to last around here.

What if I opened up a chick-fil-a? Work hard enough to get it off the ground and then leave it in the hands of others eventually. I can make money off the backs of those who are against gay marriage and give my money to a gay rights group. That would be awesome.

You have to admit. The idea is pretty funny.

Nah, I was just thinking I wanted chick-fil-a, but that the closest one was 30 miles away.

So you got about 200-500 thousand laying around? That is a conservative (pardon the pun) estimate of what it takes to open up a franchised fast food business.
And if your business sense is anything like your posting sense, you'll be broke in 6 months.

LukeEDay
07-30-2012, 11:18 AM
So you got about 200-500 thousand laying around? That is a conservative (pardon the pun) estimate of what it takes to open up a franchised fast food business.
And if your business sense is anything like your posting sense, you'll be broke in 6 months.

I did some looking, for fun, to see how much it does cost to have a Chick-Fil-A franchise. And to my surprise it is pretty cheap. There are some stipulations though.

How Much Does a Chick-Fil-A Franchise Cost?

Got $5000 laying around? Then you can forget the burgers and throw your money down on a license to operate a Chick-Fil-A. But get in line. Chick-Fil-A only gives about 75 of the 10,000 applicants per year the right to operate a franchise, and along with this right comes strict stipulations. Your store will be closed on Sunday to give employees a day off to rest or worship. You will not own the property upon which the store sits, nor will you be allowed to select your location. Investment information is conspicuously missing from the company’s website as well as the net, but good credit with a proven business track record will get you considered for a franchise. You will have to surender a whopping 50% of the monthly net profits.

My father looked into opening a KFC in our area one time and it cost $1.5 million just for the start up - and it then cost $100,000.00 a year for the franchise fees. To pay $5,000.00 for a chick-fil-a start up isn't bad. I don't know if I like the not being able to select where I put it, or owning the building - And paying 50% of your net profit a month in franchise fees is the highest I have seen. Then with them charging so little for the start up, I can kinda see that.

One thing is for sure. For them to only approve 75 apps out of 10,000 a year; it shows that they are really strict.

More info: http://franchises.about.com/od/franchisereviews/fr/chick-fil-a.htm

Zathras
07-30-2012, 11:22 AM
Funny thing is all someone in Mt View will have to do is drive 5 miles or so to go to the new CFA opening on August 16th in San Jose. Looks like they found a new location for the store.

Madisonian
07-30-2012, 12:26 PM
I did some looking, for fun, to see how much it does cost to have a Chick-Fil-A franchise. And to my surprise it is pretty cheap. There are some stipulations though.

How Much Does a Chick-Fil-A Franchise Cost?

Got $5000 laying around? Then you can forget the burgers and throw your money down on a license to operate a Chick-Fil-A. But get in line. Chick-Fil-A only gives about 75 of the 10,000 applicants per year the right to operate a franchise, and along with this right comes strict stipulations. Your store will be closed on Sunday to give employees a day off to rest or worship. You will not own the property upon which the store sits, nor will you be allowed to select your location. Investment information is conspicuously missing from the company’s website as well as the net, but good credit with a proven business track record will get you considered for a franchise. You will have to surender a whopping 50% of the monthly net profits.

My father looked into opening a KFC in our area one time and it cost $1.5 million just for the start up - and it then cost $100,000.00 a year for the franchise fees. To pay $5,000.00 for a chick-fil-a start up isn't bad. I don't know if I like the not being able to select where I put it, or owning the building - And paying 50% of your net profit a month in franchise fees is the highest I have seen. Then with them charging so little for the start up, I can kinda see that.

One thing is for sure. For them to only approve 75 apps out of 10,000 a year; it shows that they are really strict.

More info: http://franchises.about.com/od/franchisereviews/fr/chick-fil-a.htm

Notice that was just the franchise fee. The article goes on to say that the initial investment is a closely guarded secret. The 50% does not include 15% for national advertising and equipment rental, so you are looking at 65% of the net to the corporation. Depending on average store volume and sales, it still may not be a bad way to go, but if they are only taking 75 of every 10000 applicants, you better be able to really wow them to be considered.

LukeEDay
07-30-2012, 12:28 PM
Notice that was just the franchise fee. The article goes on to say that the initial investment is a closely guarded secret. The 50% does not include 15% for national advertising and equipment rental, so you are looking at 65% of the net to the corporation. Depending on average store volume and sales, it still may not be a bad way to go, but if they are only taking 75 of every 10000 applicants, you better be able to really wow them to be considered.

Maybe more than 65% when you factor all of those in.

Gina
07-30-2012, 01:28 PM
Funny thing is all someone in Mt View will have to do is drive 5 miles or so to go to the new CFA opening on August 16th in San Jose. Looks like they found a new location for the store.

All that fuss and it still opens 5 miles away? HA!

Zathras
07-30-2012, 02:24 PM
All that fuss and it still opens 5 miles away? HA!

And one I plan on partaking in once it opens. :smile-new:

noonwitch
07-30-2012, 02:33 PM
I'm pretty sure that even though he is a liberal democrat, Dave Bing would offer some tax incentives for Chick-fil-a to build a restaurant within the city of Detroit's limits. The people who live in Detroit would not object or protest at the site, but I'm sure there'd be gay rights people from Ferndale/Royal Oak/Ann Arbor who would take issue. I don't know if they'd protest, because most of them are afraid to explore Detroit beyond the area around the stadiums and casinos.

m00
07-30-2012, 06:01 PM
What if I opened up a chick-fil-a?

Are you a government?

JB
07-30-2012, 06:43 PM
Theater.So you're saying the guy that solicited these funds is guilty of some type of fraud then.