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linda22003
08-05-2012, 03:07 PM
Several shot dead in a Sikh temple in Wisconsin.

Novaheart
08-05-2012, 03:10 PM
Several shot dead in a Sikh temple in Wisconsin.

Need a person ask the obvious question?

linda22003
08-05-2012, 03:15 PM
Nothing's known yet except that the shooter is likely one of the dead.

JB
08-05-2012, 03:32 PM
This thread breaks every Breaking News thread rule.

Novaheart
08-05-2012, 03:34 PM
This thread breaks every Breaking News thread rule.

Let's whine about it.

Rockntractor
08-05-2012, 03:36 PM
Police say at least seven people, including a gunman, were killed in a shooting at a Sikh temple near Milwaukee Sunday.

Police were called to respond to the shooting at the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in the suburb of Oak Creek on Sunday morning, when witnesses said several dozen people were gathering for a service.

Greenfield Police Chief Bradley Wentlandt said four people were found dead inside the temple, while three, including the suspected shooter, were found dead outside. Police say they don't think there is a second shooter involved.

Wentlandt said the shooting suspect opened fire on an officer and the officer "put down" that man. Wentlandt said the officer was shot multiple times.

He described the scene as chaotic and fluid and urged the media not to broadcast photos or video showing tactical units, which could put officers in danger. Police responded to the shooting with a dozen ambulances.

Three other shooting victims, all men, were taken to Froederdt Hospital in Milwaukee, the main trauma center for the area, spokeswoman Carolyn Bellin said. One was in the operating room, another in a surgical intensive care unit and the third was being evaluated in the emergency room, she said.

According to the Journal Sentinel, there could be as many as 30 victims; among those shot was the president of the temple.

“Since I’ve been alderman, for about three years, there has never been any trouble, or any problems,” County Alderman Dan Jakupczyk told Fox News of the temple. “They have been good citizens.”

Wentlandt told reporters that a police officer arriving on the scene engaged an active shooter and that the officer was shot multiple times. The officer is expected to recover, Wentlandt said.

One of the temple's committee members, Ven Boba Ri, told the Journal Sentinel that based on communication with people inside the temple, the shooter was a white male in his 30s.

"It's sad, I don't know how to describe it," said Ri, who has been fielding calls all morning from around the world, including India.

"Sikhism is such a peaceful religion. We have suffered for generations, in India and even here."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/05/possible-injuries-after-shooting-at-sikh-temple-in-wisconsin/#ixzz22hb1YLqh

JB
08-05-2012, 03:36 PM
Need a person ask the obvious question?They are still trying to determine if he is gay.

Novaheart
08-05-2012, 03:37 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/05/possible-injuries-after-shooting-at-sikh-temple-in-wisconsin/

Shooting at Sikh temple in Wisconsin leaves at least 7 dead, including gunman
Published August 05, 2012


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/05/possible-injuries-after-shooting-at-sikh-temple-in-wisconsin/#ixzz22hbUliJ9

Rockntractor
08-05-2012, 04:01 PM
was it a white hispanic teapartier?

Starbuck
08-05-2012, 04:34 PM
was it a white hispanic teapartier?

Countdown begins to blame Teaparty and call for gun control....

SarasotaRepub
08-05-2012, 05:41 PM
Man...when I was in High School my family and I lived in Oak Creek for a couple of years. Just a sleepy little town with lots of moo cows.

And lets stick to the Breaking News Posting rules please...:nono:

linda22003
08-05-2012, 07:39 PM
I didn't link to anything because I was watching tv at the time. I also had no idea how to open more than one browser on my husband's tablet. Take it down if you need to.

Rockntractor
08-05-2012, 07:42 PM
I didn't link to anything because I was watching tv at the time. I also had no idea how to open more than one browser on my husband's tablet. Take it down if you need to.

We proof read it and left it, you spelled sick temple wrong.

LukeEDay
08-05-2012, 08:22 PM
This is so sad. The Victims, and the Victims families, are in my prayers.

SarasotaRepub
08-05-2012, 08:30 PM
I didn't link to anything because I was watching tv at the time. I also had no idea how to open more than one browser on my husband's tablet. Take it down if you need to.


Just bustin ya Linda. :biggrin-new:

AmPat
08-05-2012, 09:21 PM
*Pondering* "Hmm, did that evil gun jump into a Conservative's hand or a liberal's?"
Doesn't matter, those bad bad guns have got to go. Everybody knows that murder cannot be committed without evil guns.:rolleyes:

LukeEDay
08-05-2012, 09:27 PM
*Pondering* "Hmm, did that evil gun jump into a Conservative's hand or a liberal's?"
Doesn't matter, those bad bad guns have got to go. Everybody knows that murder cannot be committed without evil guns.:rolleyes:

They get rid of the guns and people will start using knifes.

AmPat
08-05-2012, 09:37 PM
They get rid of the guns and people will start using knifes.
Or clubs or shivs or sticks or pens and pencils or gasp!!! Fists!

I see you got my point.

LukeEDay
08-05-2012, 11:44 PM
Or clubs or shivs or sticks or pens and pencils or gasp!!! Fists!

I see you got my point.

Yep. Without guns they will find other things to kill people with.

Generation Why?
08-06-2012, 08:06 AM
We proof read it and left it, you spelled sick temple wrong.

I guess Sikhs are terrible people, too?

linda22003
08-06-2012, 08:11 AM
Just bustin ya Linda. :biggrin-new:

I figured - it's bad enough just stabbing out each letter with my index finger. :livid:

Odysseus
08-06-2012, 08:16 AM
I guess Sikhs are terrible people, too?

Sikhs are actually very good people. They have a superb military tradition and are extremely pro-US as a rule. However, because they are not an Abrahamic religion, they were subjected to vicious persecution by the Muslim conquerors of India, and are constantly harrassed in Pakistan or wherever they are in the minority and Muslims are in the majority.

Generation Why?
08-06-2012, 08:29 AM
Sikhs are actually very good people. They have a superb military tradition and are extremely pro-US as a rule. However, because they are not an Abrahamic religion, they were subjected to vicious persecution by the Muslim conquerors of India, and are constantly harrassed in Pakistan or wherever they are in the minority and Muslims are in the majority.

Oh I know, Ody. Worked with a few and went college with more. I was referencing tthe "misspelled sick temple" comment.

Rockntractor
08-06-2012, 09:32 AM
I guess Sikhs are terrible people, too?

No I was giving Linda a hard time but you tend to be on the wrong end of every conversation here so there is nothing different this morning than any other.

Generation Why?
08-06-2012, 10:25 AM
No I was giving Linda a hard time but you tend to be on the wrong end of every conversation here so there is nothing different this morning than any other.

You can never be too careful given how most of you on here look at Muslims. Separate and serious note, I just can't get over how the man's political views make this domestic terrorism. Yet Jared Loughner shoots a congresswoman and he is just a bit out there.


Edit: The man's assumed political views. And personal views.

linda22003
08-06-2012, 10:28 AM
You can never be too careful given how most of you on here look at Muslims. Separate and serious note, I just can't get over how the man's political views make this domestic terrorism. Yet Jared Loughner shoots a congresswoman and he is just a bit out there.


Edit: The man's assumed political views. And personal views.

Sikhs aren't Muslims. We don't know yet if the shooter was aware of that, or what his political views might be. I don't think anyone believes that Jared Loughner is "just a bit" out there. I think people are pretty clear that he's batshit crazy, and that he and James Holmes would be good roommates.

AmPat
08-06-2012, 10:40 AM
Sikhs aren't Muslims. We don't know yet if the shooter was aware of that, or what his political views might be. I don't think anyone believes that Jared Loughner is "just a bit" out there. I think people are pretty clear that he's batshit crazy, and that he and James Holmes would be good roommates.
Many don't know or care what the differences are. In college during the Iranian hostage debacle, our Vietnam Vets went after anybody they thought was Iranian. I could distinguish the differences between Latinos and ME types, they made no effort.
I suspect this guy just went after a group that looked different than what he liked. I suspect an IQ around 100 or less and functioning around the 8th grade level.

Novaheart
08-06-2012, 10:47 AM
You can never be too careful given how most of you on here look at Muslims.

The man authorities say killed six in a Milwaukee-area Sikh temple before police shot him was a heavily-tattooed, 40-year-old ex-Army soldier, sources told Fox News, but what triggered his rampage remains unclear.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/06/authorities-search-for-motive-in-deadly-shooting-at-wisconsin-sikh-temple/#ixzz22mGtcwvh

It's the tattoos.

AmPat
08-06-2012, 10:51 AM
The man authorities say killed six in a Milwaukee-area Sikh temple before police shot him was a heavily-tattooed, 40-year-old ex-Army soldier, sources told Fox News, but what triggered his rampage remains unclear.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/06/authorities-search-for-motive-in-deadly-shooting-at-wisconsin-sikh-temple/#ixzz22mGtcwvh

It's the tattoos.
It was an Apple, right?

Novaheart
08-06-2012, 10:55 AM
You can never be too careful given how most of you on here look at Muslims. Separate and serious note, I just can't get over how the man's political views make this domestic terrorism. Yet Jared Loughner shoots a congresswoman and he is just a bit out there.


Edit: The man's assumed political views. And personal views.

I think if I were a Sikh I might be tempted to wear a little button that says "Sikh, not Muslim". Of course, we have no idea if that would have stopped this from happening.

I want to stop the flow of Muslims into the US, and would be delighted if most of the ones already here would leave. That doesn't mean that I want to shoot them. I do however want the border between the US and Mexico to be armed with lethal automatic systems, and the illegals to be herded back across the border. In neither case am I advocating slaughter, merely national defense.

Novaheart
08-06-2012, 10:56 AM
It was an Apple, right?

Slow today, not getting your funny.

NJCardFan
08-06-2012, 11:14 AM
*facepalm* They are calling this domestic terrorism and yet they refused to call Nadal's shooting an act of domestic terrorism.

Bailey
08-06-2012, 11:48 AM
*facepalm* They are calling this domestic terrorism and yet they refused to call Nadal's shooting an act of domestic terrorism.

DING DING DING this response is a winner :D

m00
08-06-2012, 03:26 PM
Countdown begins to blame Teaparty and call for gun control....

So...


White guy
Used a gun
Self-professed extreme right winger


Yup. We've hit DU orgy trifecta.

FlaGator
08-06-2012, 03:42 PM
I guess Sikhs are terrible people, too?

Just people like anyone one else, dying because they live in a morally bankrupt world.

Rockntractor
08-06-2012, 09:08 PM
You have Bob Beckel on The Five saying the shooter is a right winger, a NAZI, since when is a national socialist part of the right wing, what part of national socialist don't you understand, socialist asshole, national fucking socialist, conservatives are not fucking socialist, NAZI's are left wing!!!
I have liberal overload!

LukeEDay
08-06-2012, 09:21 PM
You have Bob Beckel on The Five saying the shooter is a right winger, a NAZI, since when is a national socialist part of the right wing, what part of national socialist don't you understand, socialist asshole, national fucking socialist, conservatives are not fucking socialist, NAZI's are left wing!!!
I have liberal overload!

You should already know by that everything is the right wings fault. No matter what it is.

Generation Why?
08-06-2012, 10:29 PM
You have Bob Beckel on The Five saying the shooter is a right winger, a NAZI, since when is a national socialist part of the right wing, what part of national socialist don't you understand, socialist asshole, national fucking socialist, conservatives are not fucking socialist, NAZI's are left wing!!!
I have liberal overload!

I will try to rationalize it the way Beckel does. Most people view the old Nazi movement as Fascist which was considered the opposite of Communist. Plus you add the concept that many racist, especially in the south, are right leaning. With thaat said, iw ill not venture a guess of left or right leaning. His hatred of other racists can be seen as right leaning. But being associated with a racist group doesn't necessarily make one a Nazi. That and modern American racists are kind of stupid outside of the obvious. Either way, this Page guy was a prick. That is bad enough.

NJCardFan
08-06-2012, 11:09 PM
Apparently this guy was a Skinhead. Skinheads are not necessarily right wing. They are anarchists and we all know which way anarchists lean.

Hawkgirl
08-07-2012, 12:38 AM
You have Bob Beckel on The Five saying the shooter is a right winger, a NAZI, since when is a national socialist part of the right wing, what part of national socialist don't you understand, socialist asshole, national fucking socialist, conservatives are not fucking socialist, NAZI's are left wing!!!
I have liberal overload!

It's the oldest trick in the book for the libtards, you say something enough times, people will just get the "he's a right winger" comment and they'll let it spread like wildfire.

Same ol' one trick pony, that Beckel guy.

AmPat
08-07-2012, 10:57 AM
Slow today, not getting your funny.

Watch Wild Hogs

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Odysseus
08-08-2012, 11:41 AM
*facepalm* They are calling this domestic terrorism and yet they refused to call Nadal's shooting an act of domestic terrorism.
Nidal's shooting was an act of war. He targeted military personnel on behalf of al Qaeda. That's not so much terrorism as treason. This is an important distinction, because terrorism is indiscriminate in its targets. Anyone is acceptable, so long as the political cause is advanced.

I will try to rationalize it the way Beckel does. Most people view the old Nazi movement as Fascist which was considered the opposite of Communist. Plus you add the concept that many racist, especially in the south, are right leaning. With thaat said, iw ill not venture a guess of left or right leaning. His hatred of other racists can be seen as right leaning. But being associated with a racist group doesn't necessarily make one a Nazi. That and modern American racists are kind of stupid outside of the obvious. Either way, this Page guy was a prick. That is bad enough.

The Nazis were an offshoot of the left. If you actually read Mein Kampf, you see that Hitler's economic program was socialist. He disdained Marxism because Marx had a Jewish background, but Hitler's hatred of Jews, like Marx's hatred of Jews, was based on his hatred of capitalism. Both of them shared a romantic view of labor and soil, and saw entrepreneurs as parasitical. The reason that the Nazis became associated with the right was that the COMINTERN, at Stalin's orders, began referring to them as fascists, and barred any reference to their socialist policies. You can see this in the communist literature of the 1930s, when the Nazis and Italian fascists were the enemy in Spain, but then became socialists again after the Molotov/Von Ribbentrop pact, and then became fascists again after the invasion of Russia. The conceptual alignment of fascism with the right was pure propaganda, and it was extremely effective.