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megimoo
09-20-2008, 12:04 PM
Sneed hears the health of U.S. Sen. Ted Kennedy, whose bravura in the face of a cancerous brain tumor resulted in a surprise appearance and speech at the Democratic National Convention, is sadly going downhill.

"He gave every ounce of courage to attend that convention, where an attack of kidney stones caused him to be delivered by ambulance," said a source. Update: •

Update: "And although he still goes sailing every day at 2 p.m., he is getting weaker and weaker. He's a very ill man. It's been said he could have three weeks, three months or three years . . . but I wouldn't bet three years."

Although Kennedy does not plan to return to the Senate this fall, his family and staff are now pulling together his archives and papers, which will reportedly be housed in a building near the John F. Kennedy Library and Museum in Boston. http://www.suntimes.com/news/sneed/1172891,CST-NWS-SNEED19.article

jinxmchue
09-20-2008, 01:23 PM
Wow. That sucks big time. This is no time for politics to get in the way. He and his family needs lots of prayers right now.

GenYConservative
09-21-2008, 03:08 AM
I agree, I don't wish cancer on anyone, its a terrible thing. My prayers to Mr. Kennedy and his family. I hope that his death, if it must come now, comes quick and painless.

rjas77
09-21-2008, 03:34 AM
I agree, I don't wish cancer on anyone, its a terrible thing. My prayers to Mr. Kennedy and his family. I hope that his death, if it must come now, comes quick and painless.


Yup...This doesn't look good for Sen. Kennedy

megimoo
09-21-2008, 09:52 AM
Yup...This doesn't look good for Sen. KennedyOr for Bob Novak !

PoliCon
09-21-2008, 10:13 AM
I will offer prayers for his slavation. Yes even someone as inherently twisted and mailicious as Ted Kennedy can be saved.

gator
09-21-2008, 10:26 AM
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Although Kennedy does not plan to return to the Senate this fall, his family and staff are now pulling together his archives and papers, which will reportedly be housed in a building near the John F. Kennedy Library and Museum in Boston.

You mean like the police reports from the bridge incident or documentation on the massive campaign contributions from the Unions?

megimoo
09-21-2008, 10:36 AM
You mean like the police reports from the bridge incident or documentation on the massive campaign contributions from the Unions?

Or This :
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All these facts are probably well-known to those who follow such matters. Serious questions about Kennedy’s role in the Cold War have been asked more than once before. From time to time, some bits of his mysterious story are revealed — only to demonstrate that much more of it still remains in darkness.

Now it happens again, with professor Paul Kengor quoting from a top-secret KGB report about their contacts with Kennedy, in his new book The Crusader: Ronald Reagan and the Fall of Communism.

The document, first released in the Sunday Times by Tim Sebastian in 1992, reveals how Kennedy secretly offered the KGB to work together to undermine President Reagan. This proposal was conveyed to the Soviets by former senator John Tunney in 1983.

That was not the only time when Tunney got involved in Kennedy’s games with Moscow. Another top-secret KGB report, published in 1992 in Russian Izvestia newspaper, says that in 1978 Kennedy “requested the assistance of the KGB to establish a relationship” between a firm owned by Tunney and the Soviets. The KGB report recommended the CPSU Central Committee to agree, because Tunney’s firm was already connected to one David Karr, a KGB agent in France (See, for example: Ted Kennedy was a ‘Collaborationist,’ by Herbert Romerstein. Human Events, December 8, 2003).

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZGM2ZTE4Y2ExNDU3NGMyNmNhMWNkYjU3ZWNhYTk0NGQ=

cat714
09-21-2008, 03:34 PM
I figured the speech he gave at the DNC might be his last. I never want to wish this on anyone so I hope God will heal him or take him peacefully.

As a politician, the guy is a total scumbag.

PoliCon
09-21-2008, 03:57 PM
I figured the speech he gave at the DNC might be his last. I never want to wish this on anyone so I hope God will heal him or take him peacefully.

As a politician, the guy is a total scumbag.I can't say I agree. As much as we may like the idea of a quiet death - there is something to be said for a rough one.

Shannon
09-21-2008, 04:01 PM
I figured the speech he gave at the DNC might be his last. I never want to wish this on anyone so I hope God will heal him or take him peacefully.

As a politician, the guy is a total scumbag.

As a human being, the guy is a total scumbag.

lacarnut
09-21-2008, 04:36 PM
As a human being, the guy is a total scumbag.

I can not disagree with that!

cat714
09-21-2008, 05:57 PM
I can't say I agree. As much as we may like the idea of a quiet death - there is something to be said for a rough one.

There is no doubt in my mind that the Swimmer is suffering and I believe he will suffer until he takes his last breathe. I'm sure the ghost of Mary Jo Kopechne will be right there to "greet" him.

gator
09-21-2008, 06:02 PM
There is no doubt in my mind that the Swimmer is suffering and I believe he will suffer until he takes his last breathe. I'm sure the ghost of Mary Jo Kopechne will be right there to "greet" him.


At least that asshole Kennedy got to lead a long and wealthy life. His drunkenness, lust and cowardice prevented May Jo from having any life.

Kennedy will die a much more pleasant death than Mary Jo.

LibraryLady
09-21-2008, 06:03 PM
I'm sure the ghost of Mary Jo Kopechne will be right there to "greet" him.

You think he's going to heaven?????

megimoo
09-21-2008, 09:57 PM
You think he's going to heaven?????If he asks GOD for mercy he will forgive him !

Bubba Dawg
09-21-2008, 10:25 PM
Dead looks very different up close. It strips away all pretense. All greed. All pride.

It strips to the bone. And then some.

The ground is even in front of the Reaper.

Scarlet
09-21-2008, 10:29 PM
He has a brain tumor. He may not even remember some of the things he did. No matter what I hate to see old people in pain. I hope it is painless.
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LibraryLady
09-21-2008, 10:35 PM
My uncle died from glioblastoma and my mother had a brain tumour. i don't want Ted Kennedy to suffer but I remember this
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c12/dtharman/Global%20Gore/neckbrace.jpg

far too well to feel much sympathy. I hope his family is OK.

Shannon
09-21-2008, 10:41 PM
Honestly, part of me wants to be more like the people here that can send well wishes to this man. But I think he is a vile, murdering scumbag and just can't bring myself to do it.

LibraryLady
09-21-2008, 10:43 PM
whew! I was feeling so guilty!

Bubba Dawg
09-21-2008, 10:50 PM
whew! I was feeling so guilty!


No need to feel guilty when you have a good heart LL. :)

The greatest thing for which we have to be grateful is, IMHO, the fact that we do not have to judge. We fight our fiight. We bear the burden. We do our part....and beyond that...it is not in our hands....

Shall not the Judge of the earth do right.....?

I reckon so.

Be at peace.

And may the Senator find peace.

Scarlet
09-21-2008, 11:01 PM
whew! I was feeling so guilty!

Hell, I feel guilty (almost) for not wishing him a painful slow death. I know what he has done.
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Shannon
09-21-2008, 11:04 PM
Hell, I feel guilty (almost) for not wishing him a painful slow death. I know what he has done.

I like you.

AmPat
09-21-2008, 11:04 PM
A terrible end for Ted.

I disagree with Ted on nearly everything political. As for Ted the man, I feel bad for him.

His family must be undergoing much pain.:(

PoliCon
09-22-2008, 01:41 AM
Teddy's a catholic. Pain at the end is good for him according to his faith. It cleanses the soul and shortens ones time in purgatory.

Speedy
09-22-2008, 02:20 AM
One thing I have always heard about Ted Kennedy was that he was always one of the very best at standing up for his constituents or anyone that got a hold of him personally with a greivience. If you actually spoke to him and needed something, he would tend to you and help you as best he could to find a solution for you. I agree in no way with the man's beliefs, but like Reagan, I think that he was a true believer in what he preached. Can't fault him there.

I don't know. Ted Kennedy has been around as a highly visible part of the senate for my whole life it seems. Gonna be strange to know of a Senate without him.

My dad died of brain cancer last year. His mind was completely gone in the end and I wish that on no one and would never wish another family to deal with it. My prayers are with his family and with him.

cat714
09-22-2008, 05:34 AM
You think he's going to heaven?????

I don't know. Since he is a Catholic (as I am) we have purgatory, which is "a place or condition of temporal punishment for those who, departing this life in God's grace, are, not entirely free from venial faults, or have not fully paid the satisfaction due to their transgressions."

It certainly doesn't make up for what he did, but my faith has me believe that he's not off the hook.

Sonnabend
09-22-2008, 08:29 AM
I have always wondered if there was a Kennedy curse....both of his brothers cut down savagely, another dying in an air accident...he has had his share of grief and sorrow.

More than any should have had to endure.I disapprove of what he believes...I cannot find it in my heart to forgive him for the death of Mary Jo Kopechne..but I will not wish any further pain upon this man.

May he find in death, the peace that was denied him in life.

I will pray for him.

linda22003
09-22-2008, 09:13 AM
I don't know. Since he is a Catholic (as I am) we have purgatory, which is "a place or condition of temporal punishment for those who, departing this life in God's grace, are, not entirely free from venial faults, or have not fully paid the satisfaction due to their transgressions."

It certainly doesn't make up for what he did, but my faith has me believe that he's not off the hook.

As a non-Catholic I've always pictured time in purgatory as a long layover in a not well-maintained Greyhound bus station.

megimoo
09-22-2008, 10:19 AM
As a non-Catholic I've always pictured time in purgatory as a long layover in a not well-maintained Greyhound bus station.

Purgatorio Cantos XXXI: A bit more than An Unkempt GreyHound Station I would say !

But first the main event .

Over The Gates Of Hell :
A heavy thunder breaks the deep lethargy within your head....

...causing you to upstart suddenly, like a person who by force is
awakened. Before you stands an enormous gate with an inscription that reads:

"Through me the way into the suffering city,
Through me the way to the eternal pain,
Through me the way that runs among the lost.
Justice urged on my high artificer;
My maker was divine authority,
The highest wisdom, and the primal love.
Before me nothing but eternal things were made,
And I endure eternally.
Abandon every hope, ye who enter here."

Purgatorio Canto XXXI:

The Sin Of Pride :

Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

They stop at the first ledge or cornice and see the souls of the proud bent close to the ground, carrying heavy stones to help purge them of their arrogance.

"Oh you on that side of the sacred river,"
turning the point of her words towards me
when the edge itself has seemed sharp to me,

she began again, going on without pausing,
"Say, say whether this is true: your confession
must be joined to such accusation."

What strength I had was so bewildered that
my voice stirred and was done before it
was set free of the organs that made it.

She scarcely waited, and then said, "What do you
think? Answer me, for the water has not
cancelled the sad memories in you yet."

Bewilderment and fear mingled together
forced out of my mouth such a "yes" that
to hear it one would have had to see it.

As a crossbow, when it is drawn too far,
breaks both the cord and the bow so that
the shaft strikes the target with less power,

so I broke under that heavy burden,
with tears and sighs out of me pouring
and my voice collapsed in its opening.

At that she said to me, "In your desires of me
which to the love of that good were leading you
beyond which there is nothing to aspire to,

what ditches dug across the way, or chains
did you come to, that forced you to abandon
any hope that you had of going on,

and what attractions or advantages
were visible on the brows of the others
so that you had no choice but to loiter there?"

After I had drawn a bitter sigh
I had scarcely any voice to answer,
and my lips formed it with great labor.

In tears I said, "Things of the moment
with their false pleasure turned my steps away
at once, after your face was hidden."

And she, "If you had said nothing or denied
what you confess, your guilt would be noted
nevertheless, by such a judge is it known!

But when the accusation of the sin
bursts from the cheeks of the accused, in our court
it turns the grindstone against the edge again.

All the same, so that now you may bear
the shame of your mistakes, and when you hear
the sirens another time you may be stronger,

lay down the sowing of tears and listen
so you may hear how my flesh in the tomb
should have led you in the other direction.

Never did nature or art show you such
beauty as the lovely members in which
I was enclosed, and they are crumbled in earth.

And if the highest beauty, with my dying,
so failed you, what mortal thing after that
should have drawn you into desiring it?

Indeed at the first arrow of deceptive
things you should have risen and followed after
me, who was of that kind then no longer.

Your wings should not have been weighed down by any
girl or other vanity so briefly
known, waiting to shot repeatedly.

Two or three times a fledgling bird will wait
but in vain is the net spread or arrow shot
before the eyes of the bird when it has grown."

As children stand feeling ashamed, without
a word, their eyes on the ground, listening,
admitting what they have done and repenting,

so I stood there, and she said, "Since what you
hear is painful, lift up your beard and you
will find that what you see is even more so."

With less resistance the massive oak is
uprooted, whether by the wind out of our own
regions or that from the land of Iarbas,

I lifted my chin then at her command,
and when she summoned my face by the beard
I felt the full venom of the argument.

And when my face had opened, my eyes
came to see that those primal creatures
had paused in the scattering of flowers,

and my eyes, when they were still uncertain
of what they saw, saw that Beatrice had turned
toward the beast that in two natures is one person.

Under her veil and across the stream, it seemed
to me she surpassed her former self even more
than she surpassed the others when she was here.

The nettle of the remorse so stung me there
that the thing among all others that had most
bent me to love it, I hated worse.

Such recognition ate at my heart that
I fell, overcome, and what I became then
she knows who was the reason for it.

Then, when my heart gave my outward sense again
to me, I saw the lady I had found alone
above me, and she said, "Hold onto me! Hold onto me!"

She had drawn me into the river up to my
throat, and pulling me after her, she
was moving, light as a shuttle, over the water.

When I was near the blessed shore I heard
"Purge me" chanted so sweetly that it
cannot be written or even remembered.

The beautiful lady opened her arms,
embraced my head and drew me under
so that I had to swallow the water.

Then she brought me out and, bathed now, led me
into the dance of the beautiful four
and each of them held an arm over me.

"We are nymphs here and are stars in heaven.
Before Beatrice went down into the world
we were ordained to be her handmaidens.

We will take you to her eyes. But in the happy
light within them, the three on the other
side will sharpen yours, for they see more deeply."

So they began to sing, and they drew me
with them to the breast of the griffin
where Beatrice stood, turned in our direction,

and said "Be careful not to look away now.
We have brought you before the emeralds
from which Love shot its arrows once at you."

A thousand desires hotter than a flame
held my eyes fixed on those shining eyes
that were fixed on the griffin the whole time.

Like the sun in a mirror, not otherwise,
the double beast was shining in her eyes
now one with nature, now with the other.

Think, reader, whether I marveled, seeing
the object remain still in itself, and
only the image of it changing.

While my soul, full of amazement and joy,
was tasting that nourishment which always
is enough, and for which one remains hungry,

the other three, who by their bearing showed
their higher order, came dancing forward
to the angelic measure their feet followed.

"Turn, Beatrice, turn your holy eyes,"
they were saying, "to your faithful one who
has traveled so many steps to see you.

Out of your grace, grace us by unveiling
your mouth to him, so that he may perceive
the second beauty which you are concealing."

Oh splendor of the living eternal light,
who has ever grown so pale in the shadow
of Parnassus, or has drunk from its well so

as not to have a mind that seems encumbered,
trying to render you as you appeared
there shaded by the harmonies of heaven,

when you disclosed yourself to the open air?