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Apocalypse
08-13-2012, 01:17 AM
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Game on!

Janice
08-13-2012, 02:28 AM
GOP-led House Oversight Committee to file contempt suit against AG Eric Holder

(CBS News) CBS News has learned that the House Oversight Committee expects to file a civil contempt suit against Attorney General Eric Holder Monday. The lawsuit is to try to force Holder to release documents from the Fast and Furious gunwalking operation.

The Republican-led House of Representative voted to hold Holder in contempt on June 28 for failing to turn over thousands of pages of subpoenaed documents. The Justice Department has said it is withholding documents under White House executive privilege.

Seventeen Democrats voted with 238 Republicans in the 255-67 vote for contempt. >>>

The contempt vote had two possible tracks for enforcement: criminal and civil. But shortly after the House vote, the Department of Justice announced it would not pursue a criminal case against its own Attorney General and did not believe any crime had been committed. The civil lawsuit expected to be filed Monday would ask a federal judge to order the Justice Department to turn over the documents.

During Operation Fast and Furious, agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms allowed thousands of weapons to fall into the hands of traffickers for Mexican drug cartels. Documents sought by Congress include internal emails and memoranda regarding a now-discredited letter to Congress from the Justice Department that denied any "gunwalking" had occurred. Nearly a year later, the Justice Department told Congress the letter was incorrect and that gunwalking had, indeed, gone on but that Holder knew nothing of it at the time.

CBSNews (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57491713/gop-led-house-oversight-committee-to-file-contempt-suit-against-ag-eric-holder/)

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They expect a federal judge to stand up to these thugs after all the strong arm tactics this regime has set against the judiciary? We've been down this road before. I'm not holding my breath. Otherwise I expect another "compromise".

AmPat
08-13-2012, 02:22 PM
I hope he gets Sheriff Joe to serve him.

Janice
08-13-2012, 04:36 PM
Republicans are playing by the rules while fighting a mafia crime family without ethics.

Heres a scenerio: They sue, Holder & co stalls, 0bama obviously protects the AG with 'Ex Privy' sanctions. The Dems lose the election, but before Zippy leaves office he pardons Holder of any wrong doing and that's that. Romney as President appoints a new AG, the Republican congress and Senate are so happy to be back in charge they say, 'Let by-gones be by-gones'. As usual, you can expect the GOP to totally wimp out to the Dems.

We desperately need to vote tea party conservatives in to replace the likes of Boehner etc.



"Written laws are like spiders' webs and like them only entangle the weak and poor, while the rich and powerful easily break through them."

Anacharsis
600 B.C.

Madisonian
08-13-2012, 04:42 PM
Republicans are playing by the rules while fighting a mafia crime family without ethics.

Heres a scenerio: They sue, Holder & co stalls, 0bama obviously protects the AG with 'Ex Privy' sanctions. The Dems lose the election, but before Zippy leaves office he pardons Holder of any wrong doing and that's that. Romney as President appoints a new AG, the Republican congress and Senate are so happy to be back in charge they say, 'Let by-gones be by-gones'. As usual, you can expect the GOP to totally wimp out to the Dems.

We desperately need to vote tea party conservatives in to replace the likes of Boehner etc.



"Written laws are like spiders' webs and like them only entangle the weak and poor, while the rich and powerful easily break through them."

Anacharsis
600 B.C.

Unless I am mistaken (of which there is a good chance), a pardon can only be granted after a person has been tried and convicted of a crime, not pre-emptively.

MountainMan
08-13-2012, 04:58 PM
Unless I am mistaken (of which there is a good chance), a pardon can only be granted after a person has been tried and convicted of a crime, not pre-emptively.

No, they can be pre-emptive and be issued as a blanket over a certain subject.

Hubie
08-13-2012, 05:50 PM
Republicans are playing by the rules while fighting a mafia crime family without ethics.

Heres a scenerio: They sue, Holder & co stalls, 0bama obviously protects the AG with 'Ex Privy' sanctions. The Dems lose the election, but before Zippy leaves office he pardons Holder of any wrong doing and that's that. Romney as President appoints a new AG, the Republican congress and Senate are so happy to be back in charge they say, 'Let by-gones be by-gones'. As usual, you can expect the GOP to totally wimp out to the Dems.

We desperately need to vote tea party conservatives in to replace the likes of Boehner etc.



"Written laws are like spiders' webs and like them only entangle the weak and poor, while the rich and powerful easily break through them."

Anacharsis
600 B.C.

Damn. I hate it when wet blankets are inevitably right about things.

JB
08-13-2012, 07:27 PM
No, they can be pre-emptive and be issued as a blanket over a certain subject."I pardon you for a crime that you haven't been convicted of but you most likely will be". Has it ever been done?

And yes, my Innerwebz Search is broken.

LukeEDay
08-13-2012, 08:07 PM
I hope they throw Holder in jail.

Janice
08-13-2012, 09:05 PM
"I pardon you for a crime that you haven't been convicted of but you most likely will be". Has it ever been done?

And yes, my Innerwebz Search is broken.

Absolutely. Meanwhile we have been privy to witness that all three branches of government have been compromised and have strayed far beyond the original intent of the framers. This government has virtually perpetuated its own elite ruling class.

Holder is emboldened by precedent. Janet Reno was guilty of wholesale obstruction of justice and unprecedented corruption, and John Ashcroft let her go. Holder saw her get away with it, and now he expects the same.

The guard rails are almost gone. Most of this would not have been possible w/o a (more or less) supportive opposition party in congress. Just 4 more years ...

AmPat
08-14-2012, 08:40 AM
Absolutely. Meanwhile we have been privy to witness that all three branches of government have been compromised and have strayed far beyond the original intent of the framers. This government has virtually perpetuated its own elite ruling class.

Holder is emboldened by precedent. Janet Reno was guilty of wholesale obstruction of justice and unprecedented corruption, and John Ashcroft let her go. Holder saw her get away with it, and now he expects the same.

The guard rails are almost gone. Most of this would not have been possible w/o a (more or less) supportive opposition party in congress. Just 4 more years ...
Scary huh? This is why I say "keep your powder dry." There is a reason they want to steal all the guns.

Odysseus
08-14-2012, 09:02 AM
"I pardon you for a crime that you haven't been convicted of but you most likely will be". Has it ever been done?

And yes, my Innerwebz Search is broken.

Yes, it has.


Iran-Contra affairThough he claims to have been opposed to the sale on principle, Weinberger participated in the transfer of United States TOW (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BGM-71_TOW) anti-tank missiles to Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran)during the Iran–Contra affair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair). By 1987, the disclosure of the Iran-Contra Affair and increasing difficulties with Defense budgets weighed on Weinberger. Weinberger resigned on November 23, 1987, citing his wife's declining health. He specifically denied that he was opposed to the INF Treaty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate-Range_Nuclear_Forces_Treaty), scheduled to be signed in Washington in December 1987. In fact, he took credit for proposing the substance of the treaty early in his term at the Pentagon.
Following his resignation as Secretary of Defense, legal proceedings against Weinberger were brought by Independent Counsel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Counsel) Lawrence E. Walsh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Edward_Walsh). A federal grand jury indicted Weinberger on two counts of perjury and one count of obstruction of justice on June 16, 1992.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caspar_Weinberger#cite_note-6) He was defended by defense attorney Carl Rauh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Rauh). Weinberger received a Presidential pardon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon) from George H. W. Bush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush) on December 24, 1992.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caspar_Weinberger#cite_note-7)




Walsh was prosecuting Weinberger at a point where he had not achieved any results, and was looking to force a plea by threatening to bankrupt him with legal costs.

Even if the civil suit goes through, the court order has to be executed by the Executive Branch, and we all know how that will go. Obama will not enforce it and the media will not report it. The best that we can hope for is for Romney to raise this issue in the debates and force Obama to address it in a public forum.