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08-13-2012, 09:59 PM
So I've been reading on how to argue against the illogical pro-abortion people and I just finished watching a bradley dean youtube video and I must say abortion people are some of the more ignorant and selfish people on this God given earth.

1. The life in the womb is not human because it is not fully developed.

a. This disregards the fact that the nature of the life is human. It has human DNA and is alive. How can its nature not be human if it is alive and has human DNA?
b. This asserts a false premise that someone is not human until he/she is fully developed.
i. What constitutes full development? One hour before birth or one hour after? Is there really a difference?
c. Then when did the natures change? When did the non-human nature develop into a human nature?
d. At what point does it become human and by what criteria do you make this judgment?
i. If you cannot decide when, then you are risking killing a person.

2. The human tissue produced in the woman is the property of the one who produces it.

a. But if what is growing in the womb is a person, it cannot be owned.
b. Is the life in the womb property like a cat or a dog that can be owned?
c. Then when does the child stop being the property of the mother? At birth? At one year old? Two? Ten? Twenty?
i. It is animals who are owned, not people -- unless you want to reintroduce slavery.
d. If the tissue is not human, but just an organ like the stomach, it belongs to the one in whom it dwells.
i. But, the stomach is meant to be a stomach. The life in the womb is meant to be a person. They are different by design and nature.
ii. They are different in nature, because the stomach does not have the ability to become a human.
iii. But a human has the ability to produce a stomach.
1. Therefore, being human encompasses its own body but is not defined by it.

3. The life in the womb is really part of the woman and the woman has the right to do as she wills with her body.

a. If it is part of the woman then does the woman have 4 arms, 4 legs, and 2 heads? Is that what a human is?
b. It is part of the woman only in the sense that the life is living and growing inside the mother.
i. Her body is feeding the life. Her body is separate from the life.
ii. The life growing in the womb can even have a different blood type than the mother. It is, therefore, an independent life with human DNA.
c. Not so. The Law says the woman (and man) do not have the right to take illegal drugs into their bodies.
i. The reason is that it supports illegal drug trafficking and...
ii. It harms others who the user seeks to support his/her habit as well as the harm that can come to another because of the actions of the one under the influence of drugs.

4. In abortion, no one is hurt since the fetus is not a person.

a. This is simply begging the question. You assume it isn't human, even though it is alive and has human DNA, and then pass judgment that it is not a person.
b. The fetus is alive and death injures it.
c. The fetus has the nature of a human and is injured by killing it by scraping, ripping, and/or sucking its brains out as late term abortions are sometimes done.
d. Then that means the mother has no feelings about the life that has been removed from her womb, that wonderful place that only a woman in her nature has.
i. Does this really leave the woman uninjured? Countless women are psychologically harmed when they kill the child in their womb.

5. Rape is a condition that justifies abortion.

a. Rape is horrible. But why should the child pay for the sins (wrong doing) of another? The baby is innocent of the offense and his life need not be taken because of the act of another.
b. If what is in the womb is human, then killing it because of the act of another would be wrong.

6. To restrict a woman's right to choose is to deny her rights as a woman.

a. This is a self-centered reason. It ignores:
i. That the life in the womb is human in nature.
ii. That the woman has a responsibility to protect and guard life.
iii. That it puts the woman's personal interests and comfort above the value of life of the baby.
iv. That it is not denying a woman's rights anymore than she does not have the right to murder, steal, or lie.
b. Rights come with responsibilities. Choosing to kill another is a great responsibility that needs to be taken seriously. This is why we have trials.
i. However, in the womb, no trial is necessary, just the desire of the mother.

7. There are too many people in the world.

a. Since when does the value of human life depend upon how many people there are? Besides, if the number of people is the issue, maybe they should start getting rid of the sick and old. Maybe they should get rid of those who aren't intelligent or good looking. Where will it stop?

8. A question for those who believe in abortion and that the life in the womb is not human. Is it okay, to take a fertilized egg between a man and a woman and place it in the womb of a dog?

a. If you say no, then why? If it is not human then it doesn't matter, right?
b. If you say no because it will become a human then you admit that it has human nature and is alive. If it is human in nature and alive, then you do not have the right to abort it.
c. If you say it is alright, why is okay?


Seriously, it frustrates me to hear people say that they're pro-abortion, sometimes I just want to abort them but I can't because IT'S WRONG, IMMORAL, AND MURDER!

08-14-2012, 01:46 AM
Worse yet, those who are pro-abortion are anti-death penalty. So, logically speaking, an innocent unborn child must be gotten rid of but a murdering piece of crap must be coddled and cared for until they die of old age.

08-14-2012, 03:19 AM
Worse yet, those who are pro-abortion are anti-death penalty. So, logically speaking, an innocent unborn child must be gotten rid of but a murdering piece of crap must be coddled and cared for until they die of old age.

They try the reverse on us, claiming "pro-life" should mean "anti-death penalty for those found guilty of heinous crimes by a jury of their peers."

08-14-2012, 03:20 AM
Bradlee is a pretty awesome guy. When he goes to schools, the dyed-in-the-wool liberal administrators hate him, but the kids love him.