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Chuck58
08-14-2012, 01:47 PM
A Russian nuclear-powered attack submarine armed with long-range cruise missiles operated undetected in the Gulf of Mexico for several weeks and its travel in strategic U.S. waters was only confirmed after it left the region, the Washington Free Beacon has learned.

It is only the second time since 2009 that a Russian attack submarine has patrolled so close to U.S. shores.

The stealth underwater incursion in the Gulf took place at the same time Russian strategic bombers made incursions into restricted U.S. airspace near Alaska and California in June and July, and highlights a growing military assertiveness by Moscow.

The submarine patrol also exposed what U.S. officials said were deficiencies in U.S. anti-submarine warfare capabilities—forces that are facing cuts under the Obama administration’s plan to reduce defense spending by $487 billion over the next 10 years.

The Navy is in charge of detecting submarines, especially those that sail near U.S. nuclear missile submarines, and uses undersea sensors and satellites to locate and track them.

The fact that the Akula was not detected in the Gulf is cause for concern, U.S. officials said.

The officials who are familiar with reports of the submarine patrol in the Gulf of Mexico said the vessel was a nuclear-powered Akula-class attack submarine, one of Russia’s quietest submarines.

A Navy spokeswoman declined to comment.

One official said the Akula operated without being detected for a month.

“The Akula was built for one reason and one reason only: To kill U.S. Navy ballistic missile submarines and their crews,” said a second U.S. official.

“It’s a very stealthy boat so it can sneak around and avoid detection and hope to get past any protective screen a boomer might have in place,” the official said, referring to the Navy nickname for strategic missile submarines.

The U.S. Navy operates a strategic nuclear submarine base at Kings Bay, Georgia. The base is homeport to eight missile-firing submarines, six of them equipped with nuclear-tipped missiles, and two armed with conventional warhead missiles.

“Sending a nuclear-propelled submarine into the Gulf of Mexico-Caribbean region is another manifestation of President Putin demonstrating that Russia is still a player on the world’s political-military stage,” said naval analyst and submarine warfare specialist Norman Polmar.

“Like the recent deployment of a task force led by a nuclear cruiser into the Caribbean, the Russian Navy provides him with a means of ‘showing the flag’ that is not possible with Russian air and ground forces,” Polmar said in an email.

The last time an Akula submarine was known to be close to U.S. shores was 2009, when two Akulas were spotted patrolling off the east coast of the United States.

http://freebeacon.com/silent-running/

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txradioguy
08-14-2012, 02:44 PM
Amazing how Putin's back in office and this shit starts up again.

I almost expect John Matrix to show back up telling us we're just imagining things and that Russia really isn't trying to dare us into action.


Captain Ramius: We will pass through the American patrols, past their sonar nets, and lay off their largest city, and listen to their rock and roll... while we conduct missile drills.

Hawkgirl
08-14-2012, 06:08 PM
Gulf of Mexico?

That is a little too close for comfort. What's this little taunt about?

Rockntractor
08-14-2012, 06:16 PM
Gulf of Mexico?

That is a little too close for comfort. What's this little taunt about?

The word is they want to keep weapons in Cuba again.

NJCardFan
08-14-2012, 07:45 PM
Gulf of Mexico?

That is a little too close for comfort. What's this little taunt about?

They know Obama won't do dick about it.

Bailey
08-14-2012, 08:03 PM
Well when you cut our nuclear attack subs to under 50 for both oceans shit like this is going to happen.

AmPat
08-15-2012, 11:22 AM
If they were "undetected'" how do we know???
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Starbuck
08-15-2012, 02:20 PM
If they were "undetected'" how do we know???
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Good question. For that matter, how do they know?

And should we care? The Gulf of Mexico, if laid over the U.S., would stretch over most of the U.S. all the way from Chicago to Oklahoma to the Atlantic coast. Why would we be expected to 'detect' a Russian submarine in the gulf?

And for me, I don't care. So they have a submarine in the gulf. What are they going to do with it; launch ballistic missiles? I don't think so. It's not like we don't have nuclear submarines wherever we want them, cause we do.

Reacting to this sort of thing is pointless, I think. And besides, how would Russia know they hadn't been detected? Unless we now tell them by making an issue of it.

txradioguy
08-15-2012, 02:25 PM
If they were "undetected'" how do we know???
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I think we did know and did/said nothing about it....and the people that leaked it did so because they felt we needed to know what kind of blind eye this administration is turning towards incursions like this.

It's part of that "flexibility" Obama was referring to in regards to Russia.

SarasotaRepub
08-15-2012, 05:31 PM
Can't the Navy keep some roving stealth torps in the Gulf and if they "accidently" hit something...

:redface:

Hawkgirl
08-15-2012, 06:19 PM
If they were "undetected'" how do we know???
http://i48.tinypic.com/29d2wz.png
The Cuban spies.

Rockntractor
08-15-2012, 06:23 PM
They were probably here picking up a couple of pallets of sensitive and classified military equipment to examine and copy.

Retread
08-15-2012, 10:46 PM
Or another shipment of medium size condoms.

Gina
08-16-2012, 02:51 AM
I think we did know and did/said nothing about it....and the people that leaked it did so because they felt we needed to know what kind of blind eye this administration is turning towards incursions like this.

It's part of that "flexibility" Obama was referring to in regards to Russia.

It could also be that it was leaked after the fact to give Russia a false sense of security (we got away with it, stupid Americans)?

Starbuck
08-16-2012, 08:24 AM
It could also be that it was leaked after the fact to give Russia a false sense of security (we got away with it, stupid Americans)?

Could be.
Could be that it was leaked by someone who wanted support for a larger defense budget. Still, for the life of me, I can't see that it matters where a Russian sub is. The Gulf of Mexico covers 600,000 square miles; 810 miles across. We should declare it off limits? Nah.

AmPat
08-16-2012, 11:14 AM
They were probably here picking up a couple of pallets of sensitive and classified military equipment to examine and copy.
They heard there was a surplus of 20 pz cups. Why waste them?