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Odysseus
09-21-2008, 03:24 PM
The Wall Street Journal

Even Barack Obama, who opposed the Iraq troop surge, has finally acknowledged its success. But some of his fellow Democrats in Congress apparently remain unconvinced. Earlier this week, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Armed Services Chairman Carl Levin teamed up to block a vote on a bipartisan resolution "recognizing the strategic success of the troop surge in Iraq" and thanking our men and women in uniform for their efforts.

By late 2006, Iraq was gripped by sectarian chaos. Insurgents and death squads were killing nearly 3,000 civilians per month, and coalition forces were sustaining more than 1,200 attacks per week. On January 10, 2007, President Bush announced the new counterinsurgency strategy that included deploying five additional Army brigades and two Marine battalions to Iraq.

Under General David Petraeus, who relinquished command of U.S. forces in Iraq on Tuesday, sectarian bloodshed has almost entirely abated, daily attacks have fallen to 25 from a high of 180 in June 2007, and overall violence has declined by more than 70%. In July, U.S. combat deaths were lower than in any month since the beginning of the war. All of the troops sent to Iraq as part of the surge have now returned home and are not being replaced.

Citing General Petraeus by name, the resolution, which is sponsored by Independent Democrat Joe Lieberman and Republican Lindsey Graham, "commends and expresses the gratitude to the men and women of the United States Armed Forces for the service, sacrifices, and heroism that made the success of the troop surge in Iraq possible."

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No Vote for the Troops (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122186443902758653.html)
So much for how they support us.:mad:

marinejcksn
09-22-2008, 01:29 AM
Exactly why I serve for my family, friends, the American people & the Flag, not for these weak politicians. I think Mike Savage is right, we're heading into the last throws of extreme liberalism in this country...I see more and more young people fed up with the constant attacks on the Flag & us in the military by these ungrateful politicians and the hollywood pimps with their anti-war trash. There's only so long we in uniform can bite our tongues on this and I've got a feeling America would back us up 100% if we marched on Capitol Hill and shut the place down for a day with protests. I'd like to see Harry Reid hide behind D.C. police when an entire Marine Regiment rolls up on his punk ass. F*** Reid, Pelousy, Durbin, Biden, Shumer, Feinstein, Boxer, Murtha & Obama. Get out & vote for men like Bill Russell over Murtha in Pa in November, shut these idiots down. & even though I don't agree with him on a lot, God Bless Joe Liberman. One of the only Democrats with a spine and a brain these days. We let our country and our politicians sh*t all over our Vietnam Veterans, don't let them do it to our men & women again.

AmPat
09-22-2008, 04:49 AM
To the Hate-filled moron politicians who masquerade as servants to our great country, namely ( Reid, Pelousy, Durbin, Biden, Shumer, Feinstein, Boxer, Murtha & Obama), You are welcome anyway.

Oh, by-the-way, this is why the armed services votes in the high 70% for Republicans. We know you share your hero's view of us, you "loath" our very existence.

You do not deserve the blanket of freedom our military provides you infantile crybabies.

Hatejane
09-22-2008, 09:57 AM
I am hoping that this extreme hatred of the military will lead the useless douche nozzles to not be re elected

This crap does not surprise me in the least.

Odysseus
09-22-2008, 06:42 PM
Exactly why I serve for my family, friends, the American people & the Flag, not for these weak politicians. I think Mike Savage is right, we're heading into the last throws of extreme liberalism in this country...I see more and more young people fed up with the constant attacks on the Flag & us in the military by these ungrateful politicians and the hollywood pimps with their anti-war trash. There's only so long we in uniform can bite our tongues on this and I've got a feeling America would back us up 100% if we marched on Capitol Hill and shut the place down for a day with protests. I'd like to see Harry Reid hide behind D.C. police when an entire Marine Regiment rolls up on his punk ass. F*** Reid, Pelousy, Durbin, Biden, Shumer, Feinstein, Boxer, Murtha & Obama. Get out & vote for men like Bill Russell over Murtha in Pa in November, shut these idiots down. & even though I don't agree with him on a lot, God Bless Joe Liberman. One of the only Democrats with a spine and a brain these days. We let our country and our politicians sh*t all over our Vietnam Veterans, don't let them do it to our men & women again.
Don't go there, Marine. As much as I loathe the current congressional leadership, we cannot advocate mutiny or sedition.

To the Hate-filled moron politicians who masquerade as servants to our great country, namely ( Reid, Pelousy, Durbin, Biden, Shumer, Feinstein, Boxer, Murtha & Obama), You are welcome anyway.
Oh, by-the-way, this is why the armed services votes in the high 70% for Republicans. We know you share your hero's view of us, you "loath" our very existence.
You do not deserve the blanket of freedom our military provides you infantile crybabies.
This is why they are working to hamstring absentee voting for deployed personnel.

I am hoping that this extreme hatred of the military will lead the useless douche nozzles to not be re elected
This crap does not surprise me in the least.
Here's the thing that I don't get: When a woman tells Joe Biden that she doesn't want higher taxes, he tells her that it's time to be patriotic, but when congress has a chance to vote on a non-binding, absolutely toothless resolution that does nothing but thank us for going to war, they run for the hills. Funny what Democrats consider patriotic, isn't it?

AmPat
09-22-2008, 07:09 PM
This is why they are working to hamstring absentee voting for deployed personnel.

Here's the thing that I don't get: When a woman tells Joe Biden that she doesn't want higher taxes, he tells her that it's time to be patriotic, but when congress has a chance to vote on a non-binding, absolutely toothless resolution that does nothing but thank us for going to war, they run for the hills. Funny what Democrats consider patriotic, isn't it?

Good point. Here is one of those chain emails I usually don't like. It was sent by my mother and it illuminates this point.

We need to show more sympathy for these people.
* They travel miles in the heat.
* They risk their lives crossing a border.
* They don't get paid enough wages.
* They do jobs that others won't do or are afraid to do.
* They live in crowded conditions among a people who speak a different language.
* They rarely see their families, and they face adversity all day ~ every day.

I'm not talking about illegal Mexicans ~ I'm talking about our troops! Doesn't it seem strange that many Democrats and Republicans are willing to lavish all kinds of social benefits on illegal's, but don't support our troops, and are even threatening to defund them?

BadCat
09-22-2008, 07:27 PM
Nothing the Dimocrats do "surprises" me anymore. Their hatred for the military and the country in general is well known and expected. Traitors, every one of them.

Odysseus
09-22-2008, 08:00 PM
Good point. Here is one of those chain emails I usually don't like. It was sent by my mother and it illuminates this point.

We need to show more sympathy for these people.
* They travel miles in the heat.
* They risk their lives crossing a border.
* They don't get paid enough wages.
* They do jobs that others won't do or are afraid to do.
* They live in crowded conditions among a people who speak a different language.
* They rarely see their families, and they face adversity all day ~ every day.

I'm not talking about illegal Mexicans ~ I'm talking about our troops! Doesn't it seem strange that many Democrats and Republicans are willing to lavish all kinds of social benefits on illegal's, but don't support our troops, and are even threatening to defund them?
That's great. I need to send that around.

Nothing the Dimocrats do "surprises" me anymore. Their hatred for the military and the country in general is well known and expected. Traitors, every one of them.
And yet, people keep voting them back into office.

marinejcksn
09-22-2008, 11:30 PM
Don't go there, Marine. As much as I loathe the current congressional leadership, we cannot advocate mutiny or sedition.



Don't worry Sir, I'd never advocate something like turning my back on the duty I signed up for. I'm just advocating a huge protest by every Armed Forces person on active duty & veteran who's just fed up with these people. Nothing I've read in Marine Corps Orders says I can't exercise my 1st amendment right. I know we can't bash our Commander in Chief...but Congressmen are different.:cool:

OwlMBA
09-23-2008, 01:31 AM
Remember all those people burning the flags in the 60s and spitting on our Veterans? (I dont, because I wasnt born. But I have seen pictures and heard stories from my dad).

Who do you think they are supporting in this election?

And I would argue those traitors are BOs biggest supporters. The flag burning hippies are the ivory tower elitsts, professors and the like that dump the most time and money into the BO campaign.

And just remember, he who holds the gold holds the power. In other words, BO will work for the people that give him the most money.

anarchistica
09-24-2008, 06:30 AM
I'd like to see Harry Reid hide behind D.C. police when an entire Marine Regiment rolls up on his punk ass.
Like Pompey? Oh, and don't forget to wear a brown shirt.


And just remember, he who holds the gold holds the power. In other words, BO will work for the people that give him the most money.
"Troops serving abroad have given nearly six times as much money (http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080814/military_donations.html) to Obama's presidential campaign as they have to McCain's."

Can someone explain to me how instigating a war and getting soldiers killed makes you more of a soldier's friend than not doing that? Soldiers who actually are abroad don't seem to agree with you on that. ;)

(Also, note how McCain got $500 on average and Obama $390, and that they only tracked donations over $200.)

Finally, any resolution regarding the success of sending 30.000 troops to a country of 27 million (a hilarious idea) should instead thank the Mahdi army and their buddies. Who would have guessed that unarmed Sunnis would be driven from their neighbourhoods by Al-Sadr and co? Anyone wanna guess how the Armenian Genocide started?* Hey, and when you've ethnically cleansed a neighbourhood, people who don't dig the whole messianistic imam thing stop getting killed... what a surprise! Finally, it is truly shocking to see that people whose country and lives you've ruined, and whose jobs you have taken, stop shooting at you when you pay them $800.000 a day.

Maybe next time a nice resolution belatedly congratulating the Wehrmacht for effectively cleansed neighbourhoods. Hey, with less Jews left, less die, sure is worth a party!

*The Armenians were disarmed first.

gator
09-24-2008, 07:02 AM
"Troops serving abroad have given nearly six times as much money (http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080814/military_donations.html) to Obama's presidential campaign as they have to McCain's."

Can someone explain to me how instigating a war and getting soldiers killed makes you more of a soldier's friend than not doing that? Soldiers who actually are abroad don't seem to agree with you on that. ;)




Would you show your reference for that statement?

Typically the military supports the Republican candidate over the Democrat by a margin of about 70% - 30%.

Also, typically people in the military don’t contribute much money to any candidate for a variety of reasons so I don’t think any numbers you may have are representative of how the troops will vote.

My son is in the military and he tells me that most of his buddies are supporting McCain although some of the Black soldiers are supporting Obama. His antidotal remark is that “the Black cooks and REMFs support Obama and the Black combat troops support McCain”.

I met several NCOs in the last year that told me they were getting out if Obama is elected.

I think Obama will destroy the US military. Many young men and women will not volunteer and many that are in the service now will get out. The basic support for the military comes from Heartland America. They are not voting for Obama and enlistment and reenlistments rates will suffer considerably.

If the majority of he people in this country are stupid enough to elect a military hating Socialists to be President of the US they are going to be surprised at how Heartland America will refuse to participate in the military.

NavySquid
09-24-2008, 09:12 AM
I met several NCOs in the last year that told me they were getting out if Obama is elected.

I think Obama will destroy the US military. Many young men and women will not volunteer and many that are in the service now will get out. The basic support for the military comes from Heartland America. They are not voting for Obama and enlistment and reenlistments rates will suffer considerably.

If the majority of he people in this country are stupid enough to elect a military hating Socialists to be President of the US they are going to be surprised at how Heartland America will refuse to participate in the military.


Correct. I got out of the Navy specifically because Clinton was elected while I was deployed in the Med. A year and a half later the reduced budgets, scaled-back training, and gay/female policy changes made it apparent that profound changes were in store for the Navy and military in general.

Matters of the miltitary are best commented on by those that served in it.

Goldwater
09-24-2008, 09:21 AM
Matters of the miltitary are best commented on by those that served in it.

Maybe this is true, but McCain also wants to cut military spending and calls it the place where the most reckless spending occurs. Both Obama and McCain, from their platforms would cut military spending.

marinejcksn
09-24-2008, 09:32 AM
Finally, any resolution regarding the success of sending 30.000 troops to a country of 27 million (a hilarious idea) should instead thank the Mahdi army and their buddies.



Any hope of you pulling your head from your ass anytime soon, DUmmie? The mahdi army would gladly take you on as a recruit, just the kind of fubar personnel they employ.:rolleyes:

We kicked sadr's ass up and down this shithole country til he ran in fear, just like every other "brave" Islamic militant has done in the past. Funny how the jihad happy clowns aren't so ready to meet allah when an Abrams tank rolls through their neighborhood.

In short, F*** you and your indoctrinated self. I've yet to meet a single Marine supporting your Messiah either. :rolleyes:

marinejcksn
09-24-2008, 09:33 AM
Matters of the miltitary are best commented on by those that served in it.

Amen to that Shipmate. :cool:

AmPat
09-25-2008, 12:27 AM
Maybe this is true, but McCain also wants to cut military spending and calls it the place where the most reckless spending occurs. Both Obama and McCain, from their platforms would cut military spending.

I have a large part of some of that budget to spend and I'll tell you that if the American public wants the best military the world has ever seen, they have it now. It costs big money to keep these war machines going and able to deploy and destroy at a moment's notice.

Still, there is no doubt that with a beauracracy this big and a budget so large, there is room for cuts.

The DIMocRAT problem proven over time is they think we can essentially gut the military on their watch and slam the Republicans for spending money to fix it on their watch.

This type of management is ultimately more expensive than an annual maintenance budget.