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gator
06-10-2008, 01:03 PM
Since it is close to the anniversary of the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty I want to take the time to remind everybody that Israel is not the friend of the US.

Here is a little update article on Israeli spying:

http://www.amconmag.com/2008/2008_06_02/cover.html


The Spy Who Loves Us


Pay no mind to the Mossad agent on the line.

by Philip Giraldi

After Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard was sentenced to life in prison in 1986, the U.S. negotiated an understanding with Israel—a “gentlemen’s agreement” —stipulating that neither nation would thenceforth conduct espionage operations in the other’s territory without consent. But the agreement was a sham from the beginning. The Israeli government didn’t even honor its commitments in the aftermath of the Pollard case, failing to return the estimated 360 cubic feet of stolen information to enable the U.S. to conduct a damage assessment. The United States, for its part, continued to recruit and run agents inside Israel throughout the 1980s and 1990s. And it was known within the intelligence and counterintelligence communities that Israel did the same in the United States. David Szady, the FBI’s assistant director for counterintelligence, was so dismayed by the level of Israeli spying in the late ’90s that he called in the head of the Israeli Embassy’s Central Institute for Intelligence and Special Activities (Mossad) office and told him, “Knock it off.”

Pollard’s name was in the news again on April 22, when former U.S. Army weapons engineer Ben-Ami Kadish was arrested for passing secrets to Israel. Kadish had been an agent run by Yosef Yagur, who directed Pollard. Yagur, under cover as a science attaché at the Israeli Consulate General in New York, fled the U.S. in 1985 after Pollard was arrested, but remained in touch with Kadish.


Read the entire article and you will get a good feel for the treachery of the filthy bastards and the length the fracking pro Israel lobby in the US will go to in order to protect the sonofabitches.

BSR
06-10-2008, 01:21 PM
Alright people grab your buckets and fill em up. Its time once again.

http://www.familyrecroom.com/images/popcorn.JPG

megimoo
06-10-2008, 01:27 PM
Alright people grab your buckets and fill em up. Its time once again.

http://www.familyrecroom.com/images/popcorn.JPGLets see if we can sucker little Eyeball into defending Israel in a one on one with the Gator ?

LogansPapa
06-10-2008, 01:30 PM
Lets see if we can sucker little Eyeball into defending Israel in a one on one with the Gator ?

Nah - that's Odysseus' job, but I'm sure he'll stay up in the trees on this one. :eek:

Goldwater
06-10-2008, 01:36 PM
Nah - that's Odysseus' job, but I'm sure he'll stay up in the trees on this one. :eek:

...

Anyway, yeah, I'm with the crowd eating the popcorn. Do you have pepsi machines around too?

linda22003
06-10-2008, 01:45 PM
This one's a little different; Gator's talking about some people called "Isrealis" this time. Pass the popcorn.:cool:

gator
06-10-2008, 01:46 PM
This one's a little different; Gator's talking about some people called "Isrealis" this time. Pass the popcorn.:cool:

I majored in Engineering not English.

gator
06-10-2008, 01:55 PM
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Anyway, yeah, I'm with the crowd eating the popcorn. Do you have pepsi machines around too?

There won't be much of a show.

Many of the stupid assholes that love Israel more than America have left to start their own CU spin off site. That way they don't have to worry about being challenged on things they cannot defend very well.

Weak minded dickwads like their own little echo chambers where they can spout their anti Americanism to their heart's desire and never have to worry about moral clarity.

LogansPapa
06-10-2008, 02:00 PM
America’s sixty year old tit is dry.

SaintLouieWoman
06-10-2008, 02:48 PM
...

Anyway, yeah, I'm with the crowd eating the popcorn. Do you have pepsi machines around too?
I'll take coca cola, thank you, not a Pepsi fan. :D At least maybe he's off of his Aussie rant for a while. Should we take bets which country or group is next on the list? :p

LogansPapa
06-10-2008, 03:01 PM
At least maybe he's off of his Aussie rant for a while.

Ah, that's just cause that bug's had the shit squashed out of him and needs to take on some fluids.:p

Molon Labe
06-10-2008, 04:25 PM
Since it is close to the anniversary of the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty I want to take the time to remind everybody that Israel is not the friend of the US.

Here is a little update article on Israeli spying:

http://www.amconmag.com/2008/2008_06_02/cover.html




Read the entire article and you will get a good feel for the treachery of the filthy bastards and the length the fracking pro Israel lobby in the US will go to in order to protect the sonofabitches.


Great article. I read this earlier today at The American Conservative. It does make one think twice about Israel.
There's a strange symbiosis between our two governments.

LogansPapa
06-10-2008, 04:29 PM
There's a strange symbiosis between our two governments.

Yep - as in the lamprey's livelihood off the whale.

gator
06-10-2008, 05:14 PM
Great article. I read this earlier today at The American Conservative. It does make one think twice about Israel.
There's a strange symbiosis between our two governments.

This "symbiosis" is not based upon the moral high ground or the security of the US. If that was the case we would have dumped the assholes a long time ago. It is based upon how much money the pro Israel lobby throws at American politicians.

They have a great scam going. They dole out millions to weak minded politicians of both parties and they get billions and billions of American taxpayer dollars in return. It is disgusting. Notice that all three candidates for president were cozing up to the pro Israel lobby.

Check out this bitch talking about Israeli POWs. Peloski has never said a word about American POWs but she is making an ass of herself in order to get favor from the fucking pro Israelis. it will make you sick to watch her.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlTO_YQakyE

Vepr
06-10-2008, 07:26 PM
We should not be sending them any money. Hell I don't think we should be giving any federal money to any other country let alone ones that is going to spy on us.

Constitutionally Speaking
06-10-2008, 08:07 PM
My personal opinion is we should turn them loose on the radical Islamists. Let them earn the money we send them.

Goldwater
06-10-2008, 08:41 PM
My personal opinion is we should turn them loose on the radical Islamists. Let them earn the money we send them.

Yup, and also to let them have peace agreements with whoever they want, even scum.

Eyelids
06-10-2008, 08:47 PM
My personal opinion is we should turn them loose on the radical Islamists. Let them earn the money we send them.

Wanna know what'll make the Middle East even more stable than it is now?! Nukes!

lacarnut
06-10-2008, 09:05 PM
Wanna know what'll make the Middle East even more stable than it is now?! Nukes!

especially if we take out Iran's

djones520
06-10-2008, 09:07 PM
Ah, that's just cause that bug's had the shit squashed out of him and needs to take on some fluids.:p

Does Gator pay you to sing his praises or whatever? God, your like the little court jester midget person who runs around and does the kings biddings for laughs and scraps of meat.

gator
06-10-2008, 09:08 PM
especially if we take out Iran's

Why nuke anybody?

biccat
06-10-2008, 09:39 PM
Another anniversary that passed unnoticed. An unprovoked attack on our soil by treasonous forces.


On April 10, 1861, Brig. Gen. Beauregard, in command of the provisional Confederate forces at Charleston, South Carolina, demanded the surrender of the Union garrison of Fort Sumter in Charleston Harbor. Garrison commander Anderson refused. On April 12, Confederate batteries opened fire on the fort, which was unable to reply effectively. At 2:30 p.m., April 13, Major Anderson surrendered Fort Sumter, evacuating the garrison on the following day.

Shannon
06-10-2008, 09:43 PM
Another anniversary that passed unnoticed. An unprovoked attack on our soil by treasonous forces.

Israel and The Confederacy in the same thread?!:eek:

djones520
06-10-2008, 09:51 PM
There won't be much of a show.

Many of the stupid assholes that love Israel more than America have left to start their own CU spin off site. That way they don't have to worry about being challenged on things they cannot defend very well.

Weak minded dickwads like their own little echo chambers where they can spout their anti Americanism to their heart's desire and never have to worry about moral clarity.

Why don't you tell the truth. About how you banned and deleted all those people who challenged your view point.

biccat
06-10-2008, 10:10 PM
Israel and The Confederacy in the same thread?!:eek:
No one was picking a fight with Gator, so I thought I'd toss him a bone ;)

gator
06-11-2008, 06:59 AM
Why don't you tell the truth. About how you banned and deleted all those people who challenged your view point.

You can't stand the truth.

Are you talking about the ones that were banned after they started a CU rip off site and then trashed CU and then sent PMs to members telling them to leave CU? Sorry but we do occasionally ban dickheads from CU. They are the same ones that also banned Phillygirl and others on their site because PG isn’t enough of a NeoCon for their liking.

It is comical to see you little kids and your runs at CU to start trouble. Get out of your mother’s basement and go get a life. If that is all you have to talk about on CU then run back to the protection of your little NeoCon echo chamber because we don’t really need you here.

Grow up.

du freeper
06-11-2008, 07:03 AM
Gator never acknowledges the part the LBJ administration had in the USS Liberty incident. It was a false-flag incident. :cool:

gator
06-11-2008, 07:15 AM
Gator never acknowledges the part the LBJ administration had in the USS Liberty incident. It was a false-flag incident. :cool:

LBJ fracked us all to help out his "little buddies", including a major league cover up.

gator
06-11-2008, 07:16 AM
No one was picking a fight with Gator, so I thought I'd toss him a bone ;)

No Confederacy today, thank you.

du freeper
06-11-2008, 07:17 AM
LBJ fracked us all to help out his "little buddies", including a major league cover up.

You're partially right. He and his buddies were complicit in the attack plan and operation.

gator
06-11-2008, 07:19 AM
You're partially right. He and his buddies were complicit in the attack plan and operation.

I know nothing about LBJ knowing about the attack plan and find that hard to believe but it is clear he gave the Israelis a pass on the incident.

Cold Warrior
06-11-2008, 07:20 AM
You're partially right. He and his buddies were complicit in the attack plan and operation.

I'm confused. While I've read many of Gator's posts on this issue, I've not studied it independently. However, I fail to see any reason LBJ would do that. What would be the purpose/intent of such an action?

du freeper
06-11-2008, 07:26 AM
I'm confused. While I've read many of Gator's posts on this issue, I've not studied it independently. However, I fail to see any reason LBJ would do that. What would be the purpose/intent of such an action?

False flag operation such as Gulf of Tonkin and Northwoods. The reason the Israelis tried so hard to sink the USS Liberty is that no survivors could live to place blame on them. However it did not work that way. Israel finally had to give up, and as Gator said, LBJ did nothing. He did nothing because he was complicit in the attack. Gator's vitriol is such towards Israel that he cannot see the REASON LBJ did nothing.

Sonnabend
06-11-2008, 07:51 AM
ANZAC biscuits anyone?

http://oz.tranzfusion.net/Recipes/AnzacBiscuits450.jpg

Cold Warrior
06-11-2008, 08:21 AM
False flag operation such as Gulf of Tonkin and Northwoods. The reason the Israelis tried so hard to sink the USS Liberty is that no survivors could live to place blame on them. However it did not work that way. Israel finally had to give up, and as Gator said, LBJ did nothing. He did nothing because he was complicit in the attack. Gator's vitriol is such towards Israel that he cannot see the REASON LBJ did nothing.

I'm not trying to be argumentative here, but that still doesn't make any sense to me. I understand what a false flag operation is and I understand the purpose of, for example, the Gulf of Tonkin incident when viewed in that light, i.e., to mobilize the American public behind the war. What I don't understand is what could possibly be the purpose of a false flag Liberty incident. :confused:

gator
06-11-2008, 09:03 AM
I'm not trying to be argumentative here, but that still doesn't make any sense to me. I understand what a false flag operation is and I understand the purpose of, for example, the Gulf of Tonkin incident when viewed in that light, i.e., to mobilize the American public behind the war. What I don't understand is what could possibly be the purpose of a false flag Liberty incident. :confused:

That is just a bullshit idea.

In early 1967 the US had an even hand approach in the ME.

The Liberty was on a real NSA mission to keep tabs on the Israelis.

The Israelis didn't like it and decided to attack the Liberty. They gambled LBJ wouldn't respond.

No only did LBJ not respond but he initiated a significant cover up in order to protect the israelis due to the pressure of the pro Israel lobby. The cover up really wasn't even exposed until 2003 when Adm Thomas Moore did his Independent Commission Report.

LogansPapa
06-11-2008, 10:06 AM
Does Gator pay you to sing his praises or whatever? God, your like the little court jester midget person who runs around and does the kings biddings for laughs and scraps of meat.

Can you be such a tard as not to pick up the meaning of my signature line?

Ike
06-11-2008, 10:08 AM
I'm pretty new here, but is this CU or DU? (or maybe I stumbled upon an Obama blog or Daily Kos diary). They certainly hate the Joooooos! at those sites. This American Joooooooo! supports Israel 100%.

gator
06-11-2008, 11:39 AM
I'm pretty new here, but is this CU or DU? (or maybe I stumbled upon an Obama blog or Daily Kos diary). They certainly hate the Joooooos! at those sites. This American Joooooooo! supports Israel 100%.


Boring in the echo chamber today?

megimoo
06-11-2008, 12:38 PM
False flag operation such as Gulf of Tonkin and Northwoods. The reason the Israelis tried so hard to sink the USS Liberty is that no survivors could live to place blame on them. However it did not work that way. Israel finally had to give up, and as Gator said, LBJ did nothing. He did nothing because he was complicit in the attack. Gator's vitriol is such towards Israel that he cannot see the REASON LBJ did nothing.
Washington Report on Middle East Affairs June/July 1997, pgs. 19-20
Anniversary of a 30-Year Investigation USS Liberty: Periscope Photography May Finally Reveal Truth
http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0697/9706019.htm

Molon Labe
06-11-2008, 03:06 PM
There won't be much of a show.

Many of the stupid assholes that love Israel more than America have left to start their own CU spin off site. That way they don't have to worry about being challenged on things they cannot defend very well.

Weak minded dickwads like their own little echo chambers where they can spout their anti Americanism to their heart's desire and never have to worry about moral clarity.

Your talking about Free Republic....:D

LibraryLady
06-11-2008, 03:49 PM
Pollard should have been executed.

du freeper
06-11-2008, 09:59 PM
Washington Report on Middle East Affairs June/July 1997, pgs. 19-20
Anniversary of a 30-Year Investigation USS Liberty: Periscope Photography May Finally Reveal Truth
http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0697/9706019.htm

:eek:
Great find Megimoo! Gator may not have had time to read it, but it has some very interesting details. I'd be interested on his take on this article.

gator
06-11-2008, 10:41 PM
:eek:
Great find Megimoo! Gator may not have had time to read it, but it has some very interesting details. I'd be interested on his take on this article.

I actually read it and you are right, there are some interesting comments in it.

The trouble is that LBJ ordered everybody to clam up and because of it we will probably never learn the complete truth. I trust the Moorer Commission report. All the signatures to the report are above reproach.

megimoo
06-11-2008, 11:17 PM
:eek:
Great find Megimoo! Gator may not have had time to read it, but it has some very interesting details. I'd be interested on his take on this article.
Here's a bit more on what ever game LBJ was playing with Israel !

LBJ, Israel & the USS Liberty Massacre

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"The White House knew within minutes of the USS Liberty attack, that the perpetrator was really Israel. On two separate occasions, the White House recalled aircraft rescue missions for the Liberty. On the last attempt, LBJ told Rear-Admiral Lawrence Geis of the Sixth Fleet, “I WILL NOT EMBARRASS OUR ALLY.” The Liberty was then left “dead in the water,” without any assistance for over 16 hours."


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On June 8, 1967, the Israelis attacked the USS Liberty, in international waters, 13 miles off the coast of the Sinai Peninsula, and tried to sink it, and kill all 294 American on board the spy ship (“Assault on the Liberty,” James M. Ennes, Jr. and James Bamford’s “Body of Secrets.”) The Israelis then falsely claimed it was just a case of “mistaken identity.”

However, according to Peter Hounam, the author of the expose’, “Operation Cyanide,” the murderous Israeli attack was a set up to blame the Egyptians and bring the U.S. into the 1967 war on their side. The Liberty was a “sitting duck” for the Israeli jet planes’ missiles and rockets and their torpedo boats. The attack lasted at least 75 minutes, killing 34 brave Americans and wounding 172 others. Liberty survivor, Petty Officer Ernie Gallo, said, “I mean for a group of people, who are suppose to be the children of God, (the Israelis), they didn’t show any mercy for us.”

Both Captain Ward Boston, an ex-Navy attorney, who participated in a Court of Inquiry, with respect to the Liberty, and Admiral Thomas Moorer, a former Chairman of the U.S. Joint Chief of Staff, (who recently died), believe that President Lyndon Baynes Johnson ordered a massive “cover-up” after the attack by the Israelis (10/23/03, CBSNews.com.)

On first hearing of the Liberty attack by allegedly “unidentified aircraft,” the U.S. launched planes from the Sixth Fleet carriers, then located in the Mediterranean, off Crete, armed with nuclear weapons. They were headed for Cairo to retaliate. Only minutes before reaching their target, they were recalled. Why? The Israelis had failed to sink the Liberty! The Zionist predators had mistakenly believed U.S. planes were also on their way to rescue the Liberty, so they were forced to stop their assault. Only then, did they admit to the U.S., that they were the culprits.

According to Hounam’s research, the White House knew within minutes of the Liberty attack, that the perpetrator was really Israel (p. 94). On two separate occasions, the White House recalled aircraft rescue missions for the Liberty. On the last attempt, LBJ told Rear-Admiral Lawrence Geis of the Sixth Fleet, “I WILL NOT EMBARRASS OUR ALLY.” The Liberty was then left “dead in the water,” without any assistance for over 16 hours. (See also, an excellent documentary of the same title by the BBC and affidavits and statements found at USSLiberty.org.)

At pp. 267-268, Hounam said, “Sinking the Liberty and blaming Egypt and the Soviets would have freed Johnson’s hand to do almost anything - even to drop an atomic bomb on Cairo. Trouble only arose when the Israel operation failed - and the damned ship stayed afloat.”

Hounam revealed that within LBJ’s hawkish administration, there was shadowy clique that met under the rubric of the “303 Committee.” Richard Helms, the late CIA Director, said that entity was, “A device for examining covert operations of any kind and making a judgment on behalf of the President, so he wouldn’t be nailed with the thing, if it failed.”

Out of the “303 Committee,” came a project labeled, “Frontlet 615,” which was furthered defined as, “A secret political agreement in 1966 by which Israel and the U.S. had vowed to destroy (Egypt’s Gamal Abdel) Nasser.” The military name for the operation was, “Operation Cyanide.” The U.S. also had a draconian plan, entitled, “Condition November,” a strategy for a pre-emptive nuclear strike against the Soviet Union. All of the above ended up being interwoven into the tragic saga of the Liberty.

LBJ was an extremely ambitious man, who was, in 1967, seeking reelection. The Vietnam War was going badly for him and his popularity was plummeting. He had surrounded himself with Zionist zealots, like the late Walter Rostow, his Special Assistant for National Security Affairs.

Here is how Hounam described Rostow, “A sinister, Svengali-like figure, or simply the biggest and best fixer? Of all the people in Johnson’s entourage, he was crucial in determining which way the U.S. might respond to the threatened hostilities in the Middle East... Rostow was a hawk who believed in the justness of the Vietnam War and, as a Jew, his Zionism was strongly felt and expressed...(He) had daily contact with the President. This gave him especially close access.” He had acquired enormous influence running the committee (303 Committee) that sanctioned covert operations by the CIA. He also knew in taking Israel’s side on most issues he was playing to the President’s tune. He described Johnson as the ‘most pro-Semitic man’ he had ever met.” Rostow was also an “advisor” to LBJ when he used the phony “Gulf of Tonkin Resolution,” in 1964, to launch the U.S. into the disastrous Vietnam War.

Just imagine for one moment, if an individual dedicated to putting America’s interests first - before the interests of the Zionists - had been the U.S. President on June 8, 1967. Instead of recalling our aircrafts that were on their way to rescue the Liberty, he (or she) would have ordered them to continue on their mission, not only to defend the Liberty and to stop the massacre, but to retaliated against the Zionist aggressors by bombing their naval base at the port of Ashdod, their military headquarters at Tel Aviv and Haifa, and for good measure, dropping a few MX missiles on Dimona, their secret nuke-making plant, located in the Negev desert. If, only?

http://usa.mediamonitors.net/headlines/lbj_israel_the_uss_liberty_massacre

du freeper
06-11-2008, 11:37 PM
This is why I rail at Gator's vitriol to Israel for this incident. Yes, Israel was involved and did the dirty work, but I believe, and most evidence leads to the conclusion, that there was foreknowledge on the part of the LBJ administration to this operation.

The Moorer Commission report is not impeccable and the names are certainly not above reproach.

gator
06-12-2008, 07:57 AM
This is why I rail at Gator's vitriol to Israel for this incident. Yes, Israel was involved and did the dirty work, but I believe, and most evidence leads to the conclusion, that there was foreknowledge on the part of the LBJ administration to this operation.

The Moorer Commission report is not impeccable and the names are certainly not above reproach.

What the hell are you talking about? A Marine Medal of Honor Awardee and and a Chairman, Joint Chief of Staff??? These men were out of the influence of the pro Israel lobby.

I think the Isralis did it on purpose and the evidence is very clear on that. I think that LBJ covered it up to protect the Israelis due to the pressure of the pro Israeli lobby. Moorer thinks so also. The US is just as much to blame for giving the Israelis a pass as anybody. I hope LBJ rots in hell because of it.

While these things are true I have seen nothing, other than what you posted, to suggest it went farther than a cover up by LBJ.


CAPITOL HILL, WASHINGTON, D.C.
OCTOBER 22, 2003

ADMIRAL THOMAS H. MOORER, UNITED STATES NAVY, (RET.)
FORMER CHAIRMAN, JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF

GENERAL RAYMOND G. DAVIS, UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS, (MOH)*
FORMER ASSISTANT COMMANDANT OF THE MARINE CORPS

REAR ADMIRAL MERLIN STARING, UNITED STATES NAVY, (RET.)
FORMER JUDGE ADVOCATE GENERAL OF THE NAVY HH

AMBASSADOR JAMES AKINS, (RET.)
FORMER UNITED STATES AMBASSADOR TO SAUDI ARABIA


Chief Attorney of the 1967 Court of Inquiry
Captain Boston's Affidavit
Commonly Asked Questions about USS Liberty
Who are the Commissioners of this Independent Investigation?

We, the undersigned, having undertaken an independent investigation of Israel�s attack on USS Liberty, including eyewitness testimony from surviving crewmembers, a review of naval and other official records, an examination of official statements by the Israeli and American governments, a study of the conclusions of all previous official inquiries, and a consideration of important new evidence and recent statements from individuals having direct knowledge of the attack or the cover up, hereby find the following: **

1. That on June 8, 1967, after eight hours of aerial surveillance, Israel launched a two-hour air and naval attack against USS Liberty, the world�s most sophisticated intelligence ship, inflicting 34 dead and 172 wounded American servicemen (a casualty rate of seventy percent, in a crew of 294);

2. That the Israeli air attack lasted approximately 25 minutes, during which time unmarked Israeli aircraft dropped napalm canisters on USS Liberty's bridge, and fired 30mm cannons and rockets into our ship, causing 821 holes, more than 100 of which were rocket-size; survivors estimate 30 or more sorties were flown over the ship by a minimum of 12 attacking Israeli planes which were jamming all five American emergency radio channels;

3. That the torpedo boat attack involved not only the firing of torpedoes, but the machine-gunning of Liberty�s firefighters and stretcher-bearers as they struggled to save their ship and crew; the Israeli torpedo boats later returned to machine-gun at close range three of the Liberty�s life rafts that had been lowered into the water by survivors to rescue the most seriously wounded;

4. That there is compelling evidence that Israel�s attack was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill her entire crew; evidence of such intent is supported by statements from Secretary of State Dean Rusk, Undersecretary of State George Ball, former CIA director Richard Helms, former NSA directors Lieutenant General William Odom, USA (Ret.), Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, USN (Ret.), and Marshal Carter; former NSA deputy directors Oliver Kirby and Major General John Morrison, USAF (Ret.); and former Ambassador Dwight Porter, U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon in 1967;

5. That in attacking USS Liberty, Israel committed acts of murder against American servicemen and an act of war against the United States;

6. That fearing conflict with Israel, the White House deliberately prevented the U.S. Navy from coming to the defense of USS Liberty by recalling Sixth Fleet military rescue support while the ship was under attack; evidence of the recall of rescue aircraft is supported by statements of Captain Joe Tully, Commanding Officer of the aircraft carrier USS Saratoga, and Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis, the Sixth Fleet carrier division commander, at the time of the attack; never before in American naval history has a rescue mission been cancelled when an American ship was under attack;

7. That although Liberty was saved from almost certain destruction through the heroic efforts of the ship�s Captain, William L. McGonagle (MOH), and his brave crew, surviving crewmembers were later threatened with �court-martial, imprisonment or worse� if they exposed the truth; and were abandoned by their own government;

8. That due to the influence of Israel�s powerful supporters in the United States, the White House deliberately covered up the facts of this attack from the American people;

9. That due to continuing pressure by the pro-Israel lobby in the United States, this attack remains the only serious naval incident that has never been thoroughly investigated by Congress; to this day, no surviving crewmember has been permitted to officially and publicly testify about the attack;

10. That there has been an official cover-up without precedent in American naval history; the existence of such a cover-up is now supported by statements of Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, USN (Ret.), former Judge Advocate General of the Navy; and Captain Ward Boston, USN, (Ret.), the chief counsel to the Navy�s 1967 Court of Inquiry of Liberty attack;

11. That the truth about Israel�s attack and subsequent White House cover-up continues to be officially concealed from the American people to the present day and is a national disgrace;

12. That a danger to our national security exists whenever our elected officials are willing to subordinate American interests to those of any foreign nation, and specifically are unwilling to challenge Israel�s interests when they conflict with American interests; this policy, evidenced by the failure to defend USS Liberty and the subsequent official cover-up of the Israeli attack, endangers the safety of Americans and the security of the United States.

WHEREUPON, we, the undersigned, in order to fulfill our duty to the brave crew of USS Liberty and to all Americans who are asked to serve in our Armed Forces, hereby call upon the Department of the Navy, the Congress of the United States and the American people to immediately take the following actions:

FIRST: That a new Court of Inquiry be convened by the Department of the Navy, operating with Congressional oversight, to take public testimony from surviving crewmembers; and to thoroughly investigate the circumstances of the attack on the USS Liberty, with full cooperation from the National Security Agency, the Central Intelligence Agency and the military intelligence services, and to determine Israel�s possible motive in launching said attack on a U.S. naval vessel;

SECOND: That every appropriate committee of the Congress of the United States investigate the actions of the White House and Defense Department that prevented the rescue of the USS Liberty, thereafter threatened her surviving officers and men if they exposed the truth, and covered up the true circumstances of the attack from the American people; and

THIRD: That the eighth day of June of every year be proclaimed to be hereafter known as

USS LIBERTY REMEMBRANCE DAY, in order to commemorate USS Liberty�s heroic crew; and to educate the American people of the danger to our national security inherent in any passionate attachment of our elected officials for any foreign nation.

We, the undersigned, hereby affix our hands and seals, this 22nd day of October, 2003.

Thomas H. Moorer
Former Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff


General of Marines Raymond G. Davis, USMC, MOH*


Merlin Staring
Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, USN, Ret.,
Former Judge Advocate General of the Navy,


James Akins
Ambassador James Akins, Ret.,
Former United States Ambassador to Saudi Arabia,

du freeper
06-12-2008, 08:38 AM
What the hell are you talking about? A Marine Medal of Honor Awardee and and a Chairman, Joint Chief of Staff??? These men were out of the influence of the pro Israel lobby.

I think the Isralis did it on purpose and the evidence is very clear on that. I think that LBJ covered it up to protect the Israelis due to the pressure of the pro Israeli lobby. Moorer thinks so also. The US is just as much to blame for giving the Israelis a pass as anybody. I hope LBJ rots in hell because of it.

While these things are true I have seen nothing, other than what you posted, to suggest it went farther than a cover up by LBJ.

Then like the rest of the American public, you choose to ignore the facts. A Medal of Honor does not make one a saint.

megimoo
06-12-2008, 08:41 AM
Then like the rest of the American public, you choose to ignore the facts. A Medal of Honor does not make one a saint.No, not a saint but sure as hell a patriot who wouldn't cover up a thing thik this !

gator
06-12-2008, 09:45 AM
Then like the rest of the American public, you choose to ignore the facts. A Medal of Honor does not make one a saint.

No but it says you have honor and a love for America. When coupled with the job of being the Assistant Commandant of the Marine Corps it says that if you put your name to something it is pretty well good to go.

If you want to be lieve that it was all a set up by LBJ then God Bless you. You are entitled to your opinion.

My belief is that the Israelis attacked the Liberty on purpose and LBJ screwed America by giving the Israelis a pass on it. That is bad enough.