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Janice
09-10-2012, 01:10 AM
Romney says he would keep parts of Obama healthcare law

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, who has called for scrapping President Barack Obama's 2010 U.S. healthcare law, said in remarks aired on Sunday that he likes key parts of "Obamacare" despite his party's loathing of it and wants to retain them.

Romney, who faces Obama in the November 6 election, has vowed throughout the campaign to repeal and replace the Obama healthcare law. But asked about the Obama healthcare law on NBC's "Meet the Press" program, Romney said, "Well, I'm not getting rid of all of healthcare reform." >>>

The law is Obama's signature domestic policy achievement. >>>

On the day the Supreme Court upheld the Obama law in June, Romney said the American people must vote the president out of office in order to "get rid of Obamacare." The law is the most sweeping overhaul since the 1960s of the unwieldy U.S. healthcare system.

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Nobody is more stunningly accomplished at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory than the GOP. Nobody. They just cant seem to help themselves. Romney promised to repeal it -- now this. Was all that just lying for conservative support? Now he throws us under the bus for those precious moderates? Why couldnt he have just kept his trap shut?

0bama is so busy digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself and his party. We were just starting to see some light at the end of the tunnel. Does Romney feel obligated somehow to dig a hole too? Is this a contest between who can moderate us to hell in the most pleasant fashion? What is the the matter with these GOP types? We must stop this train, then go in the other direction. How the heck are we going to turn this nation around if all we are content on doing is gently applying the brakes?

Arent there any conservative advisers around this guy? Or is Ryan the Lone Ranger -- you know -- just for "show"? I know I have to vote for this guy... but it just makes me sick. What else is coming down the pike from the Rino-Brigade?

LukeEDay
09-10-2012, 09:06 AM
He said that he is going to keep that things that people like; ie, no denial for previous conditions and such. I agree with that.

Janice
09-10-2012, 09:22 AM
Wow. I guess "free market" is just another term for the history books since big brother is renown for doing things so much better than the private sector.

Gina
09-10-2012, 10:49 AM
Some of the things sound good and moral and decent, like no denial for pre-existing conditions, but the reality is that insurance companies are businesses and why are they expected to do things that aren't cost effective just because it's about health? Maybe I'm one of the evil republicans but telling any company who they have to serve .. unconstitutional? Or against the free market?

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LukeEDay
09-10-2012, 10:56 AM
Wow. I guess "free market" is just another term for the history books since big brother is renown for doing things so much better than the private sector.

You want an insurance company to deny someone coverage because the individual has a preexisting condition?

I am looking at it like this: The number one cause for bankruptcies in this country is Medical Bills. One of the main reasons why costs are so high is because of malpractice insurance (Doctors are afraid to get sued, so they send patients to get 100 tests for a hang nail). Trust me, I am a fierce capitalist; but I don't agree with insurance companies denying someone coverage because they are at risk.

My belief is that they should regulate the insurance companies, put a cap on how much you have to pay, and pass tort reform (Making it where the loser pays all costs). You will see premiums go down after that.

linda22003
09-10-2012, 11:04 AM
The popular stuff is also the expensive stuff.

Molon Labe
09-10-2012, 01:02 PM
You want an insurance company to deny someone coverage because the individual has a preexisting condition?

I am looking at it like this: The number one cause for bankruptcies in this country is Medical Bills. One of the main reasons why costs are so high is because of malpractice insurance (Doctors are afraid to get sued, so they send patients to get 100 tests for a hang nail). Trust me, I am a fierce capitalist; but I don't agree with insurance companies denying someone coverage because they are at risk.

My belief is that they should regulate the insurance companies, put a cap on how much you have to pay, and pass tort reform (Making it where the loser pays all costs). You will see premiums go down after that.


In a free market, there would be less emphasis on "insurance". Costs would be lower, and most would only have to cover catastrophic. Insurance companies are the middle man and part of the problem.

m00
09-10-2012, 01:32 PM
qui recte argumentum

Adam Wood
09-10-2012, 01:40 PM
Nobody is more stunningly accomplished at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory than the GOP. Nobody. They just cant seem to help themselves. Romney promised to repeal it -- now this. Was all that just lying for conservative support? Now he throws us under the bus for those precious moderates? Why couldnt he have just kept his trap shut?This is not something new. He has said all along that he intends to repeal Obamacare and replace it, keeping some parts that people like.

Whether you agree with doing that or not, he has not changed his position on this.

Rockntractor
09-10-2012, 01:54 PM
In a free market, there would be less emphasis on "insurance". Costs would be lower, and most would only have to cover catastrophic. Insurance companies are the middle man and part of the problem.

Insurance and lawsuits are the #1 problem responsible for most of the cost, I don't know constitutionally how you could get insurance companies out but you could pass laws to limit legal liability.

Zeus
09-10-2012, 02:58 PM
Insurance and lawsuits are the #1 problem responsible for most of the cost, I don't know constitutionally how you could get insurance companies out but you could pass laws to limit legal liability.

We at times expect Dr's. to be gods and when they don't fulfill our expectations then they must have done something wrong. Lots of medical malpractice suits are settled or won by plaintiffs not necessarily because of what Dr's. did was wrong but because of what they didn't do. Which may have ended with similar results but is enough to cause doubt and win the lawsuit lottery.

Estimates are upwards of 30 - 35% of healthcare costs are due to litigation prevention and payouts. Coverage for preexisting conditions are just exasperating those costs.

I'm no expert but I see no way of getting escalating healthcare costs under control without some form of meaningful tort reform.

Molon Labe
09-10-2012, 03:47 PM
Insurance and lawsuits are the #1 problem responsible for most of the cost, I don't know constitutionally how you could get insurance companies out but you could pass laws to limit legal liability.

I'm saying the emphasis on them would be less. Check out the laws passed in the early 70s establishing HMOs. Costs skyrocketed after we made it necessary for a middle man.

I agree that lawsuits are a big problem for Doctors today.

Adam Wood
09-10-2012, 04:28 PM
Insurance and lawsuits are the #1 problem responsible for most of the cost, I don't know constitutionally how you could get insurance companies out but you could pass laws to limit legal liability.You get government completely out of subsidizing or otherwise encouraging employer-provided health coverage, first and foremost. We were doing just fine 30 years ago before it turned into some God-given right to have your employer pay for your doctor bills.

Make the patient a customer again and health care costs will fall like a stone.


If I were king, I would do the exact opposite of Obamacare: I would mandate that everyone have HSAs that they have to contribute to and then they have "disaster coverage" plans for the big stuff. Everything worked just fine when we did that not all that long ago. You pay for your care out of your pocket and suddenly all of the MRIs for hangnails will disappear. Couple that with a pretty serious limitation on liability for doctors so that they don't have to perform lawyer medicine and instead can just practice medicine and this will all get better again.

Gina
09-10-2012, 07:46 PM
You get government completely out of subsidizing or otherwise encouraging employer-provided health coverage, first and foremost. We were doing just fine 30 years ago before it turned into some God-given right to have your employer pay for your doctor bills.

Make the patient a customer again and health care costs will fall like a stone.


If I were king, I would do the exact opposite of Obamacare: I would mandate that everyone have HSAs that they have to contribute to and then they have "disaster coverage" plans for the big stuff. Everything worked just fine when we did that not all that long ago. You pay for your care out of your pocket and suddenly all of the MRIs for hangnails will disappear. Couple that with a pretty serious limitation on liability for doctors so that they don't have to perform lawyer medicine and instead can just practice medicine and this will all get better again.

Yep. I was talking with my brother the other day and we were remembering how mom used to write a check for the office visit when we were kids. The only insurance my parents had was catastrophic, home owner's and life.

If you're not paying, why not get the expensive MRI and all the other stuff? Cost is a huge problem.